The History of Russia & Ukraine: A Thread

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No he doesn't. Putin is not a communist. He is probably the richest person in the world, and the Soviet Republics were autonomous.

Putin don't want that. He wants to be Vladimir the Great or whatever they were calling their royalty.

Yep. Vlad the Redeemer as knighted by the Russian Orthodox Church for cover

 

[88m3]

Ukrainian woman l I know shared this earlier today

I have been to Ukraine

twice and to Russia

three times. I have only been met by kindness on both sides of the borders. And the countries are furthermore closely connected like the Nordic countries are, like Spain and Portugal are, like Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda are…it’s very sad.
Let's take a quick look at Ukraine

- Ukraine is home to around 43 million beating hearts

- Ukraine became country number 139 within the Saga on September 20th 2017.
- Ukrainian civilizations date back more than 6,800 years! The country is located in an area where Trypillian and Scythian civilizations thrived.
- Ukraine is home to several archaeological sites that were previously Neanderthal settlements. The settlements feature a mammoth bone dwelling and is viewed as a possible location for the domestication of horses. The Molodova sites date back to 43,000–45,000 BC.
- The world’s first constitution was drafted and introduced in 1710 by Ukrainian Hetman Pylyp Orlyk. The document was aimed at introducing the separation of powers. It outlined the responsibilities and rights of both citizens and government.
- Unlike many cultures around the world, Ukrainians wear wedding rings on the right hand not the left.
- "O Sole Mio” the world-famous song was composed in Ukraine

- Commemorated on June, the 23rd, Ivana Kupala Day is said to be one of Ukraine’s most fun traditional celebrations. Boys and girls join hands in pairs and jump over a fire in a purification ritual. Locals believe that when a couple skip the fire without losing grip of each other, their love is destined to last a lifetime

- The popular Easter egg tradition originated in Ukraine. Originally, the eggs were patterned using wax and dye. The wax was eventually removed leaving an impressive pattern with dashing colors

- Thousands of Jews were offered protection by Ukrainian religious leaders during World War II.
- Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt met at the Yalta Conference in 1945, which was hosted by Ukraine. The meeting was aimed at charting the way forward in relation to the organization of post-war Europe.
- In 1986, Ukraine witnessed the world’s worst nuclear power plant disaster. The tragedy occurred at the Chernobyl plant located in the northern part of the country. The area has since been declared an exclusion zone. The disaster and declaration led to the emergence of several ghost towns. The area attracts multitudes of tourists despite the high levels of radiation.
- Borsh and varenyky are some of the most popular traditional Ukrainian dishes.
- McDonald’s in Kiev (the capital) is reportedly one of the busiest in the world

- Ukrainians love drinking horilka, which is a local variant of the famed vodka. Locals often flavor this national drink with chilli pepper to give it a bit more punch.
- Ukraine borders the Black Sea and has 2,782 kilometers (1,729 miles) of coastline.
- Ukraine has the distinction of being the geographical center of Europe (also claimed by others).
- Ukraine features the deepest metro station in the world, which was built in 1960.
- Ukraine has the fourth highest literacy rate in the world.
- Although Ukrainians are hospitable, they seldom smile in public.
- According to the Traveler’s Digest, Kiev is home to the most beautiful women in the country (Odesa doesn't rank bad either!)
- The invention of the first gas lamp took place in Lviv.
- Ukraine hosts up to seven UNESCO World Heritage sites, including the primeval beech forests of the Carpathians.
- Ukraine is the largest country entirely within Europe.
And the final one:
- at the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine gained independence and held the worlds 3rd largest arsenal of atomic weapons!! Ukraine volunteered to destroy the arsenal and signed an agreement (Budapest Memorandum) with Russia, the USA and Britain for security assurance of Ukraines sovereignty

 

[88m3]

Can't believe the DOS posted this but

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[88m3]

I'm only speaking on what Putin thinks

HE ain't tryna be General Secretary of the Communist Party

 

[yseJ]

To be fair, Peter and Catherine were pretty great with regards to Russian Czars. Vlad could never be on they level….

Peter was great for russia, but he was a huge imperialist and waged tons of wars.

St petersburg was found on land he conquered from sweden I think

Back in the day it was par for the course tho

 

[Liu Kang]

So I follow this Arte youtube channel which was basically the fifth TV channel in France in the 90s. It's French-German owned and a testimony of France-Germany friendship since '92. They are very pro-European and produce tons of documentaries about cultural, social, historical stuff.

In the last couple of weeks, they published back some old docus about Ukraine and I find really interesting the tone that was used about Donbass in 2014-2015, which, to make it simple, sympathetic. Ukraine was seen in a relatively bad light at the time when it came to this issue.

They published that one yesterday


It was done december 2015.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Peter was great for russia, but he was a huge imperialist and waged tons of wars.

St petersburg was found on land he conquered from sweden I think

Back in the day it was par for the course tho

Indeed, for the time period he was a great leader for their people but yeah certainly not a perfect one.

 

[blotter]

What does this mean? Yall make overarching statements like this that sound good but make no sense?

The US is trying to get North Korea out the paint?

How so?

Are we trying to annihilate them? Cause if thats what you think, we're not.

The US has gotten North Korea out the paint in every way that matters. By all accounts their economy is trash, their whole nation is trash, and they have limited abilities on the world stage.

They are persona non grata, so much so that Kim has to fire a missile into the sea every so often to get our attention to remind us that he even exists.

And we were able to push them to the outer fringes of the world order, not by using weapons but by using our influence as a superpower.

I'm not trying to understate the importance of nukes. They're a deterrent which is huge in itself. You can't invade me cause if you try, I can blast you.

But the world has long moved beyond that type of warfare being used as the primary means of influence. The US has its hands in everything across the globe, not through the threat of war, but through the threat of our influence.

We can wreck a nation without firing off one shot.

We're doing it in real time with Russia!

Sure okay, it's NATO, but lemme ask you this. If every other nation in NATO decided they wanted to punish Russia but the US was like "nah", how far do you think that goes?

figured this thread is more appropriate because people are looking for updates in the other.

agree on everything up to the point of Russia. Clearly want to spread our influence and protection racket with military bases and our financial markets wherever we can. If you want to nationalize your resources instead of working with western corporations, but have nukes we shut you out from the world. If you want to nationalize your recourses, but don't have nukes a coup is always coming.

The US can act quickly to get their people in, get their weapons into the hands of the most reactionary forces and support them. The right-wing growing stronger across the globe post ww2 is largely our work, I agree we are spreading our influence most always with violence but sometimes predatory loans or unequal exchange more recently, that's seemingly how it's worked in most everything we've been involved with post WW2.

You said I can't invade you, but right now we can't go into a country that wants our help. That's a huge amount of power to keep America at bay. It's literally a super power. If NK decided to war with SK we would instantly glass them because you can take out a small regional nuclear power. But Russia is the other global nuclear superpower and informs my opinion of the situation at large. Pretty dumb to share a border with them. That's what happens when NATO goes into Ukraine via article 5. These things all matter to my thinking. With this context to me it's depressing our leadership traditionally hasn't taken NATO off the table for Ukraine. Make some concessions and let the world live in a bit more peace. That's not the model of either side here sadly. That's not what states with power do. Neutrality should have been the goal for everyone, instead both sides tried to get their puppets in, then started arming people, now a madman has invaded a country.

to your last point there are many examples of America being an outlier in those scenarios, especially with Isreal. It's our world. no one kept our athletes out of the Olympics for a much more brutal (for now) and unjustified invasion of iraq, who can forget that 2004 choke job. We didn't deserve it that year, glad we lost. I've always associated those two events

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

figured this thread is more appropriate because people are looking for updates in the other.

agree on everything up to the point of Russia. Clearly want to spread our influence and protection racket with military bases and our financial markets wherever we can. If you want to nationalize your resources instead of working with western corporations, but have nukes we shut you out from the world. If you want to nationalize your recourses, but don't have nukes a coup is always coming.

The US can act quickly to get their people in, get their weapons into the hands of the most reactionary forces and support them. The right-wing growing stronger across the globe post ww2 is largely our work, I agree we are spreading our influence most always with violence but sometimes predatory loans or unequal exchange more recently, that's seemingly how it's worked in most everything we've been involved with post WW2.

You said I can't invade you, but right now we can't go into a country that wants our help. That's a huge amount of power to keep America at bay. It's literally a super power. If NK decided to war with SK we would instantly glass them because you can take out a small regional nuclear power. But Russia is the other global nuclear superpower and informs my opinion of the situation at large. Pretty dumb to share a border with them. That's what happens when NATO goes into Ukraine via article 5. These things all matter to my thinking. With this context to me it's depressing our leadership traditionally hasn't taken NATO off the table for Ukraine. Make some concessions and let the world live in a bit more peace. That's not the model of either side here sadly. That's not what states with power do. Neutrality should have been the goal for everyone, instead both sides tried to get their puppets in, then started arming people, now a madman has invaded a country.

to your last point there are many examples of America being an outlier in those scenarios, especially with Isreal. It's our world. no one kept our athletes out of the Olympics for a much more brutal (for now) and unjustified invasion of iraq, who can forget that 2004 choke job. We didn't deserve it that year, glad we lost. I've always associated those two events

Great post breh.

 

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