The hate Bill Cosby, Don Lemon and "pull yourself up" speeches gets is unjustified

[MeachTheMonster]

its reality rolled up in an already defeated attitude IMO. I'm not measuring black success against anything nor did I say or imply that. I said we can do things also esp now but people with your mindset act like we doomed to be just non factors and I don't agree with it period. Y'all don't say it directly but that's how it comes off. I can't tell you the answer to the last question I've never been enslaved so you'd have to ask somebody that has.

There was nothing defeated about what I said. I never said black people couldn't make it, or that it was impossible. I simply said inequality is real and is a very big cause for unequal achievement in this country. That is a fact. Point blank period. The fact that you are creating an argument for me just for you to repeat your tired rhetoric, proves that your argument is not strong. It's just a canned response to people speaking out about the realities in our country.

I have a son. I teach him the sky is the limit. You work hard toward your goals you will achieve them. But I'd be an idiot not to tell him about the things that may hold him back. I'd be setting him up for failure if I didn't explain to him that the police are probably looking for excuses to buss him upside the head. Or that that white guy smiling at him in his biology class won't hesitate to chop him down when he gets a chance.

If I didn't prepare him, how would he manage when that first person reminds him of his skin color. When he doesn't get the job/promotion. How can he be strong and overcome his obstacles if no one ever addresses those obsitcles with him? Do we pretend the fence isn't there until he runs face first into it, or do we teach him how to jump?


And if you can't answer how long it takes a people to go from slave to equal citizen, how can you pretend that black people should already be equal right now?

 

[philmonroe]

There was nothing defeated about what I said. I never said black people couldn't make it, or that it was impossible. I simply said inequality is real and is a very big cause for unequal achievement in this country. That is a fact. Point blank period. The fact that you are creating an argument for me just for you to repeat your tired rhetoric, proves that your argument is not strong. It's just a canned response to people speaking out about the realities in our country.

I have a son. I teach him the sky is the limit. You work hard toward your goals you will achieve them. But I'd be an idiot not to tell him about the things that may hold him back. I'd be setting him up for failure if I didn't explain to him that the police are probably looking for excuses to buss him upside the head. Or that that white guy smiling at him in his biology class won't hesitate to chop him down when he gets a chance.

If I didn't prepare him, how would he manage when that first person reminds him of his skin color. When he doesn't get the job/promotion. How can he be strong and overcome his obstacles if no one ever addresses those obsitcles with him? Do we pretend the fence isn't there until he runs face first into it, or do we teach him how to jump?


And if you can't answer how long it takes a people to go from slave to equal citizen, how can you pretend that black people should already be equal right now?

Im not creating some argument for you dude I just don't agree with your view on this issue stop thinking so highly of yourself. Nah save all that shyt you telling your son I don't give a fukk because that's not my point and never was. I said how long meaning its ok to tell somebody about obstacles but after that when do you just become a complainer? Wish you dudes on here stop trying to twist my words like I said don't ever say anything about obstacles/racism/etc and what happens in this world because I NEVER said that at all.

I'm not pretending shyt we are equal in that I have just as good a shot to get it as the next person and that what my reality tells me. Maybe yours is telling you otherwise but if so I hope I hope it gets better for you honestly. Maybe staying off this site where dudes coddle this system holds us back rhetoric would be better for people that aren't seeing enough positive moves in their real world. Its a never ending cycle IMO but you are free to disagree that's life.

 

[Yapdatfool]

Im not creating some argument for you dude I just don't agree with your view on this issue stop thinking so highly of yourself. Nah save all that shyt you telling your son I don't give a fukk because that's not my point and never was. I said how long meaning its ok to tell somebody about obstacles but after that when do you just become a complainer? Wish you dudes on here stop trying to twist my words like I said don't ever say anything about obstacles/racism/etc and what happens in this world because I NEVER said that at all.

I'm not pretending shyt we are equal in that I have just as good a shot to get it as the next person and that what my reality tells me. Maybe yours is telling you otherwise but if so I hope I hope it gets better for you honestly. Maybe staying off this site where dudes coddle this system holds us back rhetoric would be better for people that aren't seeing enough positive moves in their real world. Its a never ending cycle IMO but you are free to disagree that's life.

According to white people, the second blacks were freed from slavery.
According to successful blacks, the second they became successful.
According to non-successful blacks, never.

I think that just about covers it.

 

[Brown_Pride]

I always ask and nobody seems to have a good answer how long is bold going to be the cliche answer? 50yrs from now is that still going to be dudes on this flow? When do more of us have to take responsibility for what happens inequalities be damned because its not like we can't see examples of blacks coming up nowadays. If they can do it why can't others and even looking at people on here most aren't starving or doing bad yet talking about being held back. shyt looks bad moreso like an excuse IMO.

there are excuses and then there are reasons...people would be wise to learn the difference.

also, The answer isn't cliche it's the truth and no amount of time will change that truth unless people are actively working on that change.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Im not creating some argument for you dude I just don't agree with your view on this issue stop thinking so highly of yourself.

That's exactly what you did. I never said any of the stuff you are attributing to me. If you don't want to address the words that I actually typed out then don't quote me.

Nah save all that shyt you telling your son I don't give a fukk because that's not my point and never was. I said how long meaning its ok to tell somebody about obstacles but after that when do you just become a complainer?

Now you don't give a fukk. So again why did you quote me?

And we should talk about obstacles as long as they are present. Why should we quit talking about them if they are still effecting lives?

Wish you dudes on here stop trying to twist my words like I said don't ever say anything about obstacles/racism/etc and what happens in this world because I NEVER said that at all.

So one more time. Why the hell did you quote me. I simply said that obsitcles/racism/ect exist.

If you believe that statement to be true, then why did you try to correct me?

I'm not pretending shyt we are equal in that I have just as good a shot to get it as the next person and that what my reality tells me.

That's what you tell yourself, but its not reality. You have chance, but it damn sure isn't equal.

Maybe yours is telling you otherwise but if so I hope I hope it gets better for you honestly. Maybe staying off this site where dudes coddle this system holds us back rhetoric would be better for people that aren't seeing enough positive moves in their real world. Its a never ending cycle IMO but you are free to disagree that's life.

Yeah. Reading this website made my job pay me less than the white guy with less experience than me.

 

[philmonroe]

According to white people, the second blacks were freed from slavery.
According to successful blacks, the second they became successful.
According to non-successful blacks, never.

I think that just about covers it.

Yeah that sounds just about right. I just get tired of hearing itfrom everybody cause its whining at this point but that's my fault for even being in earshot of this stuff. Have to stop being around it.

there are excuses and then there are reasons...people would be wise to learn the difference.

also, The answer isn't cliche it's the truth and no amount of time will change that truth unless people are actively working on that change.

shyt Im wise but I'm just tired of hearing them because people like crutches and after a certain point that how I look at all of that stuff truth or not. I can't change people's views esp on a messageboard so I have to just let it be. Whatever happens to people just happens.

That's exactly what you did. I never said any of the stuff you are attributing to me. If you don't want to address the words that I actually typed out then don't quote me.


Now you don't give a fukk. So again why did you quote me?

And we should talk about obstacles as long as they are present. Why should we quit talking about them if they are still effecting lives?


So one more time. Why the hell did you quote me. I simply said that obsitcles/racism/ect exist.

If you believe that statement to be true, then why did you try to correct me?


That's what you tell yourself, but its not reality. You have chance, but it damn sure isn't equal.


Yeah. Reading this website made my job pay me less than the white guy with less experience than me.

Honestly I quoted you because I'm tired of what I think is a wack defeatist attitude people on here sprout off alot and wanted you to see my views that's why. I have to learn we are different people and aren't going to see things the same so you do your shyt your way and me mine. How of you know you getting less than the white dude he tell you that or you assuming? Most don't like to talk about their pay even though Ive saw it happen before. Also maybe you get paid less because you started before him and they raised the salary up like my boy who works at Comcast and they did it to him with other blacks. Just because dude happens to be white don't mean that's the reason but I'm also not naive where I don't think that couldn't be it also.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Honestly I quoted you because I'm tired of what I think is a wack defeatist attitude people on here sprout off alot and wanted you to see my views that's why.

But you have not expressed any views. You only attacked what you assumed my views were.

I have to learn we are different people and aren't going to see things the same so you do your shyt your way and me mine. How of you know you getting less than the white dude he tell you that or you assuming? Most don't like to talk about their pay even though Ive saw it happen before. Also maybe you get paid less because you started before him and they raised the salary up like my boy who works at Comcast and they did it to him with other blacks. Just because dude happens to be white don't mean that's the reason but I'm also not naive where I don't think that couldn't be it also.

I know because he told me. We have the same exact degree from the same exact school and we graduated at the same exact time. Only difference is I actually had experience in our field and he didn't. We were both hired within months of each other and they offered him an extra $1.50. I can't say anything about it because I need my job and I can't afford to loose it trying to fight inequality.

And this is why I said its very important to talk about inequalities as they happen. If no one ever taught me how to navigate around issues like this, I would be storming into my bosses office demanding a raise. I would loose my job and probably black ball myself within the industry.

On the flip side a white guy could walk into the boss's office with those demands, and they'd probably be met. If not he'd still be able to walk out and easily find a job.

Inequality is real and it effects lives, no amount of bootstrap rhetoric will change that reality.

 

[philmonroe]

But you have not expressed any views. You only attacked what you assumed my views were.


I know because he told me. We have the same exact degree from the same exact school and we graduated at the same exact time. Only difference is I actually had experience in our field and he didn't. We were both hired within months of each other and they offered him an extra $1.50. I can't say anything about it because I need my job and I can't afford to loose it trying to fight inequality.

And this is why I said its very important to talk about inequalities as they happen. If no one ever taught me how to navigate around issues like this, I would be storming into my bosses office demanding a raise. I would loose my job and probably black ball myself within the industry.

On the flip side a white guy could walk into the boss's office with those demands, and they'd probably be met. If not he'd still be able to walk out and easily find a job.

Inequality is real and it effects lives, no amount of bootstrap rhetoric will change that reality.

My view is simple and I did express them. I said or if I didn't make it clear I'm saying yes there are problems but people acting like we can't do it big in 2014 are full of shyt period. That's what I believe and maybe unlike alot on here I see it around me all the time from my parents, some friends, others so all this stuff people speak on I look at as excuses. That's why even though there are obstacles I see many that dont let it stop them so when I hear all,this other stuff I honestly see it as bullshyt. That's why I said we can agree to disagree because people will believe whatever makes them feel comfortable at the end of the day.

About the hiring if you were hired first I told you that happens all the time in my last post. Same thing happened to my friend at Comcast that's why its not always some race stuff like I said even though it could be. My friend an others spoke about that discrepancy and didn't lose their job and got the difference matched but you have to get together instead of just saying its nothing you can do.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

My view is simple and I did express them. I said or if I didn't make it clear I'm saying yes there are problems but people acting like we can't do it big in 2014 are full of shyt period.

And again. This is where you create a straw man to attack. I've never heard anyone say "we can't do it big in 2014" even the most militant hate whitey coli posters don't say things like that. So who is it you are arguing against? As I said your argument is so weak that you have to create your own opposition in order to attack it.

That's what I believe and maybe unlike alot on here I see it around me all the time from my parents, some friends, others so all this stuff people speak on I look at as excuses.

You need to learn the difference between, explanations and excuses.

That's why even though there are obstacles I see many that dont let it stop them so when I hear all,this other stuff I honestly see it as bullshyt. That's why I said we can agree to disagree because people will believe whatever makes them feel comfortable at the end of the day.

A lot of the times the people speaking out about inequalities are the ones that "made it"

And just because a person "didn't let it stop them" does not mean their success hasn't been stifled by inequalities.

About the hiring if you were hired first I told you that happens all the time in my last post. Same thing happened to my friend at Comcast that's why its not always some race stuff like I said even though it could be. My friend an others spoke about that discrepancy and didn't lose their job and got the difference matched but you have to get together instead of just saying its nothing you can do.

And here you reach for excuses to make for the other side. I thought you were against making excuses.

 

[philmonroe]

And again. This is where you create a straw man to attack. I've never heard anyone say "we can't do it big in 2014" even the most militant hate whitey coli posters don't say things like that. So who is it you are arguing against? As I said your argument is so weak that you have to create your own opposition in order to attack it.


You need to learn the difference between, explanations and excuses.


A lot of the times the people speaking out about inequalities are the ones that "made it"

And just because a person "didn't let it stop them" does not mean their success hasn't been stifled by inequalities.


And here you reach for excuses to make for the other side. I thought you were against making excuses.

Of course nobody said it straight out but I said its how it comes out looking. Its not an argument dude its just how I feel about this situation period. You can disagree but this ain't no fukking argument at all. I already know the difference between the two but how some on here use them they are interchangeable. Never said they didn't have inequalities I just said you can't let it stifle you. Usually when people always go on about obstacles they let them stop them and that's the norm so that's what I'm going by not outliers.

I'm also not making excuses regarding your last quote at all I just explained how something similar happened to somebody else and they had all blacks involved. You just about that moping life you can have it and you are at a great place to foster it.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Of course nobody said it straight out but I said its how it comes out looking.

So basically you are responding to yourself.

Maybe you should try actually responding to the words on your screen, as opposed to what you interpret them as. And if you don't fully understand the argument a person is making, just ask.

Its not an argument dude its just how I feel about this situation period. You can disagree but this ain't no fukking argument at all.

Yes by definition it is.

I already know the difference between the two but how some on here use them they are interchangeable. Never said they didn't have inequalities I just said you can't let it stifle you. Usually when people always go on about obstacles they let them stop them and that's the norm so that's what I'm going by not outliers.

No. Not true at all. As I said earlier some of the most successful black people in the country are also the ones speaking out against inequality.

I'm also not making excuses regarding your last quote at all I just explained how something similar happened to somebody else and they had all blacks involved. You just about that moping life you can have it and you are at a great place to foster it.

It's not similar. You tried to make it similar in order to make an excuse. And who said anything about moping? I rise above, which is what I've been doing my entire life.

Quit making shyt up.

 

[philmonroe]

So basically you are responding to yourself.

Maybe you should try actually responding to the words on your screen, as opposed to what you interpret them as. And if you don't fully understand the argument a person is making, just ask.


Yes by definition it is.


No. Not true at all. As I said earlier some of the most successful black people in the country are also the ones speaking out against inequality.


It's not similar. You tried to make it similar in order to make an excuse. And who said anything about moping? I rise above, which is what I've been doing my entire life.

Quit making shyt up.

You lying dude the job situation is similar and in the post before you even said what happened I told you how that could possibly go down with the money situation FOH with that bullshyt on that issue. Also by definition we could be just having a discussion which isn't anybody angry which neither of us are unless you are so again save the bullshyt this ain't no argument at all. People speak out against inequality that made it I didn't say they didn't I said those that use it as a crutch usually don't/won't make it. If I didn't say that clear enough or say it all my bad Thats what I meant not,that people that made it don't speak up for inequality at all because that's just a stupid thing to say. Lastly I'm not responding to myself I'm responding to you until this discussion has run its course

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You lying dude the job situation is similar and in the post before you even said what happened I told you how that could possibly go down with the money situation FOH with that bullshyt on that issue. Also by definition we could be just having a discussion which isn't anybody angry which neither of us are unless you are so again save the bullshyt this ain't no argument at all. People speak out against inequality that made it I didn't say they didn't I said those that use it as a crutch usually don't/won't make it. If I didn't say that clear enough or say it all my bad Thats what I meant not,that people that made it don't speak up for inequality at all because that's just a stupid thing to say. Lastly I'm not responding to myself I'm responding to you until this discussion has run its course

You said two dudes of the same race got hired at different times and got different pay. I said two dudes of different races got hired at the same time and got different pay.

How are these two situations similar?

And to make an argument is not to be angry. I never said anyone was angry.

Who said anything about a crutch?

And how the hell could someone use inequality as a crutch anyway?

I don't know who your responding to or who your talking about. With each post you make up some new shyt and attribute it to me or these other people your talking about.

Honestly you seem kinda confused.

 

[philmonroe]

You said two dudes of the same race got hired at different times and got different pay. I said two dudes of different races got hired at the same time and got different pay.

How are these two situations similar?

And to make an argument is not to be angry. I never said anyone was angry.

Who said anything about a crutch?

And how the hell could someone use inequality as a crutch anyway?

I don't know who your responding to or who your talking about. With each post you make up some new shyt and attribute it to me or these other people your talking about.

Honestly you seem kinda confused.

You can't be this stupid dude you can't be. I showed you that example to show you that a similar situation could happen with two people of the same race as your happens so you know that salary discrepancy goes on all the time. You were the one who said this was technically an argument and when technically people are arguing it usually involves people being angry. Don't use words and saying then not know what you speaking about. I said something about it being a crutch and its a crutch because you seem to think no matter what you do doomed. I know you'll say you didn't say that but your scarred words betray you its ok. Maybe you should leave that job life alone and strike for yourself its better in the long run anyway. Log off here and google some shyt you like like maybe speaking on inequality and becoming like Tariq or somebody to get their message heard. Its the new wave and maybe then you can see what I'm talking about when I say people have to stop with the inequality as the only or main reason you not blacks as a group aren't further. Maybe I'm confused on stuff on here at times but not in real life so ill take being called confused in the Internet realm. Thanks for your honest opinion

 

[homiedontplaydat]

There was nothing defeated about what I said. I never said black people couldn't make it, or that it was impossible. I simply said inequality is real and is a very big cause for unequal achievement in this country. That is a fact. Point blank period. The fact that you are creating an argument for me just for you to repeat your tired rhetoric, proves that your argument is not strong. It's just a canned response to people speaking out about the realities in our country.

I have a son. I teach him the sky is the limit. You work hard toward your goals you will achieve them. But I'd be an idiot not to tell him about the things that may hold him back. I'd be setting him up for failure if I didn't explain to him that the police are probably looking for excuses to buss him upside the head. Or that that white guy smiling at him in his biology class won't hesitate to chop him down when he gets a chance.

If I didn't prepare him, how would he manage when that first person reminds him of his skin color. When he doesn't get the job/promotion. How can he be strong and overcome his obstacles if no one ever addresses those obsitcles with him? Do we pretend the fence isn't there until he runs face first into it, or do we teach him how to jump?


And if you can't answer how long it takes a people to go from slave to equal citizen, how can you pretend that black people should already be equal right now?

That was beautiful bruh