The Gap Between Nas & Jay Z Just Widened

[the cac mamba]

Louis Farrakhan shyts over story of oj but untitled wasn't intended for cacs so you're excused Breh.

you're right, im not speaking on the subject matter. just the music, the production. shyt has been awful

dudes were hyping this up



nas is spitting sharp as ever, or at least 90% there. this song is fukking terrible the sample sounds cool for the first 5 seconds until it turns into a goofy, off beat, piece of shyt instrumental. i dont know how anyone could bump this garbage

 

[kt773]

Still go to concerts in 2018 brehs

You don’t like live music?

 

[JustCKing]

Roc Nation street team out here puttin in that work


Basically everything you said in bold is the complete and total opposite of how it happened in real life.

So Beyonce had hit records as a solo artist before Jay Z?

Her first solo outing produced by The Neptunes wasn't a flop?

Kelly Rowland's album didn't drop before Beyonce even though Beyonce had a single out but because the Nelly song "Dilemma" was huge, Kelly was a bigger priority?

Kanye had hits before producing for Jay?

Jay Z wasn't JT's first choice as the guest on "My Love"?

The only one putting in work is you trying to spin reality.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

So Beyonce had hit records as a solo artist before Jay Z?

Her first solo outing produced by The Neptunes wasn't a flop?

Kelly Rowland's album didn't drop before Beyonce even though Beyonce had a single out but because the Nelly song "Dilemma" was huge, Kelly was a bigger priority?

Kanye had hits before producing for Jay?

Jay Z wasn't JT's first choice as the guest on "My Love"?

The only one putting in work is you trying to spin reality.

My guy, that's a perfect example of Jay-Z wave riding. Timberlake wasn’t a huge huge pop/R&B superstar until AFTER FutureSex/Love Sounds dropped. So it's no surprise Jay was hesitant to hop on a track before that. Once he saw that wave take off with the TI/JT joint and others, Jay all of the sudden became mister pop collab and of course, once JT was firmly established as prob the biggest male pop star, he has him on his lead single, then jumps on Timberlake’s big comeback lead single as well. That’s textbook being a dikkriding fakkit who loves the attention

Now after he dropped that Kingdom Come trash, and then American Gangster (which was dope, but not big commercially) - he went back to Ye and hopped on the pop wave for BP3 and then rode Ye’s wave on Watch The Throne. Those 2, especially WTT, absolutely helped revive his status and relevancy. Not even worth debating that. He was heading toward flat top status before Ye brought him back.

I don’t 100% agree that he rode Beyonce wave in 2003… but you lying if you tryna act like she wasn’t always destined to be the biggest star from Destiny Child. I don’t care if her song on that Austin Powers joint flopped. Kelly Rowland, who you brought up, is proof that having a hot first single doesn’t = career stardom. Bey was always gonna be the star from DC. Bonnie & Clyde helped her but it helped Jay just as much.. the Ether was still burning and he was coming off the Best of Both Worlds flop. He needed a song like that just as bad as she did.

 

[JustCKing]

My guy, that's a perfect example of Jay-Z wave riding. Timberlake wasn’t a huge huge pop/R&B superstar until AFTER FutureSex/Love Sounds dropped. So it's no surprise Jay was hesitant to hop on a track before that. Once he saw that wave take off with the TI/JT joint and others, Jay all of the sudden became mister pop collab and of course, once JT was firmly established as prob the biggest male pop star, he has him on his lead single, then jumps on Timberlake’s big comeback lead single as well. That’s textbook being a dikkriding fakkit who loves the attention

Now after he dropped that Kingdom Come trash, and then American Gangster (which was dope, but not big commercially) - he went back to Ye and hopped on the pop wave for BP3 and then rode Ye’s wave on Watch The Throne. Those 2, especially WTT, absolutely helped revive his status and relevancy. Not even worth debating that. He was heading toward flat top status before Ye brought him back.

I don’t 100% agree that he rode Beyonce wave in 2003… but you lying if you tryna act like she wasn’t always destined to be the biggest star from Destiny Child. I don’t care if her song on that Austin Powers joint flopped. Kelly Rowland, who you brought up, is proof that having a hot first single doesn’t = career stardom. Bey was always gonna be the star from DC. Bonnie & Clyde helped her but it helped Jay just as much.. the Ether was still burning and he was coming off the Best of Both Worlds flop. He needed a song like that just as bad as she did.

You fighting reality breh and losing. JT was already huge after "Cry Me A River" took off. Jay was hopping on Pop collabos before "My Love" took off. Part of the reason why he didn't do the song is because of Beyonce's "Deja Vu". Jay had been doing Pop collabos since Mariah's "Haeartbreaker".

Kanye had a track on KC. He wasn't on American Gangster and that album was still platinum. Kanye produced a couple of singles that flopped back when BP3 was slated to drop in 2008. "Jay Z Jockin" and "History" both flopped. If Jay was concerned about "riding Kanye's wave", why woukd he continue to let Kanye helm an album when the same producer already produced two flops for him. Kanye helmed BP3 because he gave Jay 10+ records that he vibed with. He also offered Timbaland the same challenge as both approached Jay about entirely producing BP3.


Nobody's destined to be a star without doing the work and playing the game. Beyonce had to distance herself from the DC sound and image. Running around as Bonnie to Jay's Clyde offered the perfect opportunity. Seeing how attaching Kelly to a Hip Hop hit that feuled rumors of a relationship was a no a brainer for the same team to mimic that same rollout for Beyonce. Beyonce was out here with a flopped single. She turned her album into the label and they told her she had no hits. "Crazy In Love" featuring Jay drops and the rest is history.

Jay didn't need "Bonnie & Clyde" as much as Beyonce. He was already an established solo act and his flops were still platinum. Yeah, "Ether" damaged his image and he needed that female friendly song after Nas called him out for misogyny. Thing is Jay still had "Excuse Me Miss" which was also huge.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

You fighting reality breh and losing. JT was already huge after "Cry Me A River" took off. Jay was hopping on Pop collabos before "My Love" took off. Part of the reason why he didn't do the song is because of Beyonce's "Deja Vu". Jay had been doing Pop collabos since Mariah's "Haeartbreaker".

Kanye had a track on KC. He wasn't on American Gangster and that album was still platinum. Kanye produced a couple of singles that flopped back when BP3 was slated to drop in 2008. "Jay Z Jockin" and "History" both flopped. If Jay was concerned about "riding Kanye's wave", why woukd he continue to let Kanye helm an album when the same producer already produced two flops for him. Kanye helmed BP3 because he gave Jay 10+ records that he vibed with. He also offered Timbaland the same challenge as both approached Jay about entirely producing BP3.

Nobody's destined to be a star without doing the work and playing the game. Beyonce had to distance herself from the DC sound and image. Running around as Bonnie to Jay's Clyde offered the perfect opportunity. Seeing how attaching Kelly to a Hip Hop hit that feuled rumors of a relationship was a no a brainer for the same team to mimic that same rollout for Beyonce. Beyonce was out here with a flopped single. She turned her album into the label and they told her she had no hits. "Crazy In Love" featuring Jay drops and the rest is history.

Jay didn't need "Bonnie & Clyde" as much as Beyonce. He was already an established solo act and his flops were still platinum. Yeah, "Ether" damaged his image and he needed that female friendly song after Nas called him out for misogyny. Thing is Jay still had "Excuse Me Miss" which was also huge.

Don't try to put Mariah and Timberlake in the same lane... Mariah was certified as an R&B legend already at that time.. Timberlake was still fresh out a boy band and making diss tracks to Britney Spears. You right that Deja Vu was part of it, but it wasn't really "safe" for Jay's image to jump on a track with Timberlake until the time when he finally did it cause Timberlake's status was already solidified by that point.

I don't care about one track here or there... only one Ye track on KC is probably why it was as trash as it was. And again, American Gangster was good, but didn't hit commercially. Jay needed a major mainstream splash with BP3. At that point in time, if you had a record with over half of it Ye beats, it was going to be fire. That's exactly the case for BP3. And I notice you conveniently didn't mention WTT


On the Bey shyt, I already said he didn't hop on her wave, but again, you sound like you're making my point for me. They both needed each other at that point in time. And he was smashing so of course he's gonna do a song with her anyway.

 

[JustCKing]

Don't try to put Mariah and Timberlake in the same lane... Mariah was certified as an R&B legend already at that time.. Timberlake was still fresh out a boy band and making diss tracks to Britney Spears. You right that Deja Vu was part of it, but it wasn't really "safe" for Jay's image to jump on a track with Timberlake until the time when he finally did it cause Timberlake's status was already solidified by that point.

I don't care about one track here or there... only one Ye track on KC is probably why it was as trash as it was. And again, American Gangster was good, but didn't hit commercially. Jay needed a major mainstream splash with BP3. At that point in time, if you had a record with over half of it Ye beats, it was going to be fire. That's exactly the case for BP3. And I notice you conveniently didn't mention WTT


On the Bey shyt, I already said he didn't hop on her wave, but again, you sound like you're making my point for me. They both needed each other at that point in time. And he was smashing so of course he's gonna do a song with her anyway.

"Cry Me A River" established JT as a legit solo act. Following that song, there was "Rock Your Body" and "Senorita". That's not even mentioning that Jay Z's go to producers were the ones lacing JT with heat making JT a safe artist for Jay to collaborate with.
Mariah was still a Pop artist. Doing a song with Mariah wasn't the same as doing a song with Mary and the og "Heartbreaker" was definitely bubblegum status especially compared to the remix.

Regardless of KC being trash or not, it was still a 2X platinum album. And you're conceding to AG being dope so he didn't need Kanye to make a dope album either. So what exactly is your point when Jay was selling albums without Ye and making quality music without Ye.

WTT is what it is. Jay was still actually still going platinum (without counting Samsung bought copies) and Kanye was struggling.

Regarding Beyonce, she didn't have a wave to ride until AFTER "Crazy In Love". Jay helped her establsish her solo career and create a buzz. Jay was already established with many hit songs and multiple multi platinum albums.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

"Cry Me A River" established JT as a legit solo act. Following that song, there was "Rock Your Body" and "Senorita". That's not even mentioning that Jay Z's go to producers were the ones lacing JT with heat making JT a safe artist for Jay to collaborate with.

Mariah was still a Pop artist. Doing a song with Mariah wasn't the same as doing a song with Mary and the og "Heartbreaker" was definitely bubblegum status especially compared to the remix.

Regardless of KC being trash or not, it was still a 2X platinum album. And you're conceding to AG being dope so he didn't need Kanye to make a dope album either. So what exactly is your point when Jay was selling albums without Ye and making quality music without Ye.

WTT is what it is. Jay was still actually still going platinum (without counting Samsung bought copies) and Kanye was struggling.

Regarding Beyonce, she didn't have a wave to ride until AFTER "Crazy In Love". Jay helped her establsish her solo career and create a buzz. Jay was already established with many hit songs and multiple multi platinum albums.

Point is that the masses wasn't rocking with him like that during that time before BP3 and WTT. His star was fading. You are looking at Wikipedia sales numbers and saying, "well he still sold a milli" but you're ignoring the fact that anyone who lived thru that period, knows Jay was pretty much seen as cornball status after KC dropped. And KC and AG both sold two times less than what the Black Album did.

"Cry me a river" was a fuccin Britney Spears diss track.. it was a big song but mainly because of the TRL generation. That was pure pop shyt. Once Timberlake got fully established, then he jumped on tracks with him. Just like once he saw Ye doing a song with Coldplay, next thing you know he got a song with Coldplay Then all a sudden he doing songs with Mr. Hudson and shyt. Mr. Rap/Pop collab Hov

 

[JustCKing]

Point is that the masses wasn't rocking with him like that during that time before BP3 and WTT. His star was fading. You are looking at Wikipedia sales numbers and saying, "well he still sold a milli" but you're ignoring the fact that anyone who lived thru that period, knows Jay was pretty much seen as cornball status after KC dropped. And KC and AG both sold two times less than what the Black Album did.

"Cry me a river" was a fuccin Britney Spears diss track.. it was a big song but mainly because of the TRL generation. That was pure pop shyt. Once Timberlake got fully established, then he jumped on tracks with him. Just like once he saw Ye doing a song with Coldplay, next thing you know he got a song with Coldplay Then all a sudden he doing songs with Mr. Hudson and shyt. Mr. Rap/Pop collab Hov

I not once had to look up sales figures. KC was a big deal. It got a lot of flack on the net, but a lot of people were into that album. It ended up being Jay's biggest first week sales figure ever. It also became one of 2006's biggest albums rivaled only by T.I.'s King. What TBA sold is neither here or there. BP sold less than the albums before it.

"Cry Me A River" was still the song that made JT's career. Saying he wasn't a huge star after that is delusion considering he also had "Rock Your Body" and "Senorita" from the same album. Again, JT and Jay worked with the same main producers. 50 Cent even hopped on "Cry Me A River" as an unofficial remix and dude was the biggest artist on the street. The Clipse were on JT's first single. So that kills the argument that Jay was scared to do a track with JT prior to "Suit & Tie" because JT was seen as some boy band act.

Kanye's whole thing about Jay working with all of these artists after him is pointless. Coldplay, at least Chris Martin was already a Jay fan before Kanye even worked with them.

 

[JustCKing]

And regarding WTT, that album helped Kanye more so than it did Jay. Hip Hop fans were still disgruntled that Ye abandoned rap to sing. Yeah, MBDTF featured more rapping, but still had singing. Ye's own sales were declining (if you wanna play that game). WTT outsold Kanye's previous 808's and MBDTF. Jay Z's BP3 sold more than WTT.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

I not once had to look up sales figures. KC was a big deal. It got a lot of flack on the net, but a lot of people were into that album. It ended up being Jay's biggest first week sales figure ever. It also became one of 2006's biggest albums rivaled only by T.I.'s King. What TBA sold is neither here or there. BP sold less than the albums before it.

"Cry Me A River" was still the song that made JT's career. Saying he wasn't a huge star after that is delusion considering he also had "Rock Your Body" and "Senorita" from the same album. Again, JT and Jay worked with the same main producers. 50 Cent even hopped on "Cry Me A River" as an unofficial remix and dude was the biggest artist on the street. The Clipse were on JT's first single. So that kills the argument that Jay was scared to do a track with JT prior to "Suit & Tie" because JT was seen as some boy band act.

Kanye's whole thing about Jay working with all of these artists after him is pointless. Coldplay, at least Chris Martin was already a Jay fan before Kanye even worked with them.

No it doesn't.. because Jay didn't do a song with him! Other people did. That's the whole fuccin argument. Jay didn't hop on Timberlake shyt until he became a huge megastar, and saw other people do it and have success. Just like he didn't work with Coldplay until Ye did. Just like he got Mr. Hudson on a track after Ye did. Just like he all of the sudden became a fine art connoisseur after hanging with Ye on the WTT tour.

He watches the wave take off, then hops on.. it is what it is

 

[L. Deezy]

You don’t like live music?

Broke people dont.. also, nyggas with no girl dont..

 

[JustCKing]

No it doesn't.. because Jay didn't do a song with him! Other people did. That's the whole fuccin argument. Jay didn't hop on Timberlake shyt until he became a huge megastar, and saw other people do it and have success. Just like he didn't work with Coldplay until Ye did. Just like he got Mr. Hudson on a track after Ye did. Just like he all of the sudden became a fine art connoisseur after hanging with Ye on the WTT tour.

He watches the wave take off, then hops on.. it is what it is

That wasn't the argument. You were going on about Jay not doing a song with JT until he was a megastar when clearly JT had been a megastar since '03/'04. Then you even admutted that Jay doing "Deja Vu" with Beyonce was at least one of the reasons he turned down "My Love".

To clarify Jay's song is actually a song with Coldplay and not a song that just features Chris Martin. "Homecoming" is basically a remix of a song Kanye sat on for years. People collaborate with the same artists all the time. Jay had already been on fine art. Back during KC, his unreleased song "Most Kings" drew inspiration from this:

Kingdom’s lyrics, too, come from a wide variety of sources. A track called ”Most Kings” is inspired by a Jean-Michel Basquiat painting (which he owns).

In regard to Mr. Hudson, Kanye produced the song that features him and likely had him on the hook. You reaching.