The Deuce TV Series - (David Simon/1970's Porn Drama)
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shytted on himYou're talking about two things here. Character tropes and character archs. Both of them are necessary to make a story work. Without it you have some art house flick with no words or really random like The Tree of Life or The Lobster. And even those two movies (which I liked both) were filled with character tropes and ended exactly how one would guess.
Character tropes. Good writers will use them and often subvert them. It works because people like the familiar. And subverting them brings surprises. Ask yourself why The Wire was so amazing? The obvious answer is because it was authentic. It came off authentic because it was familiar. If we can relate to the characters even on an emotional level the movie/show usually has us by the balls. We've seen those guys before or we've heard about them. On movies. In our neighborhoods. In music. In books. We know them. That's why it came off authentic. Even Omar being gay was a character trope subversion. Here's this tough guy. Let's subvert his manhood because that's what everyone is expecting. Every time he's on screen you're going to love him for all the cliche'd bad ass shyt and you're going to feel uncomfortable for the rest.
The archs. First they were here. And now they are there. I think you're being presumptuous on a lot of them. I bet the writers have a few surprises for us. Like I don't think it's going to be as peachy and rosy for the young hooker as you're making it seem. If David Simon has taught us anything is that it never is
Look what happened to Omar in The Wire. Simon wanted to teach us a lesson that as big and likeable as you are...the streets are the streets and just like that you could be gone. And it's not always dying in a big way. How about Chris? We all expected him to make it off the streets. We were all rooting for Avon. Stringer got what he deserved. So that wasn't subverted. Did you expect Marlo to become a good person or die? Another surprise
Simon knows what he's doing.
Nothing is original. Not one single idea. Not one single character. Anywhere. Ever. That's because storytelling extends back to the dawn of man.
What's a good example of a show that does the things that The Deuce fails at well? I bet whatever show you name I'll give you examples of 10000 borrowed stories and character tropes.
I wasn't around during the 70s. So I can't say whether the show is forcing the 70s on us. Maybe it looked like that? Maybe it didn't? The sets/redecorated locations look amazing though.
I like the show. Pilots are usually slow because they have to establish the story lines. By episode 3 or 4 all characters and storylines will be introduced and we should really get going.
Edit: Had too big of a coffee. So wrote a million random ideas on the page
Yeah that’s her.
And I felt the same way with the Franco brothers. It doesn’t help that the only difference in their appearance that I can tell is their hairstyle. How I understand it, one of them is running a bar and just got involved with the mob guy where Franco#1 is going to be giving him a payout in exchange for running this new bar. Then the other brother is kind of just a deadbeat, placing bets he doesn’t have the money to pay, that type of stuff
Jmare007
pico pal q lee
Yes, check it out.
as far as telling them apart, thats why they put the botched robbery in the first episode.
non-gambler franco has the scar on his head, so you can differentiate them. they used the same device in 13 Reasons Why to differentiate between the Past and the Present.
I know he had the band aid on his head in the 1st episode, but I didn't notice the scar in the 2nd one. I'll look out for it. The way I can tell them apart is the non-gambler has his hair a little more slicked back than the other one.
Makes you appreciate how great Tatiana Maslany is and the way Orphan Black did it. There many of them obviously had very different hairstyles but even without that you could tell who was just off their personalities and the way they acted. It's just 2 eps of this though and Franco isn't on screen nearly as much as Maslany was, so there's still a lot of time to differentiate the 2 Francos
Nero Christ
Sniper out now on all digital platforms brev
don't know what would be more pathetic today; paying to watch porn or paying to watch it get made 
Nino Soprano
Superstar
Margarita Levieva (Abby)
is so fine to me 
...love watching her in this
...love watching her in this
Nero Christ
Sniper out now on all digital platforms brev
episodes keep getting better and better...the David Simon effect 
Lefty Gunz
Superstar
Abby 
Straw Hat Luffy
Veteran
I don't understand where this is leading too.
For sure thought James Franco character/characters would leave to pimping.
And the college chick who just joined the bar would start being one of his hoes with the main character female that trying make movies.
But it seems like I'm wrong the way shyt turning out.
There has to be a connection soon right?
and idk but twin james francos too much.
decent show tho.
For sure thought James Franco character/characters would leave to pimping.
And the college chick who just joined the bar would start being one of his hoes with the main character female that trying make movies.
But it seems like I'm wrong the way shyt turning out.
There has to be a connection soon right?
and idk but twin james francos too much.
decent show tho.
gldnone913
Integrity and Consistency
Margarita Levieva (Abby)is so fine to me
jesus she's gorgeous
. the reporter chick and Chris Pratlow's chick are gorgeous too 