The Death of God In Iraq: 32% of Iraqis Not Sure God Exists, 11% Think Not

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blame it on bush. allah couldn't save them from bush. bush beat he living ish out of god out of them.
 

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Ducktales :mjlol:

Meanwhile the Islamic State of Iraq (a group which did not exist prior to the US invasion) is getting stronger by the day. Just yesterday they launched a massive attack on Mosul (Northern Iraq) and liberated civilians from an infamous prison used as a rape camp.

Now that's REAL facts.
 

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what?

Atheism says nothing about how you live your life otherwise.

You don't need a religion to learn to NOT be a dikk to your neighbor.
George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'
 

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Yet the former commander and 13-year veteran of the Army's top-secret Delta Force is also an outspoken evangelical Christian who appeared in dress uniform and polished jump boots before a religious group in Oregon in June to declare that radical Islamists hated the United States "because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christian ... and the enemy is a guy named Satan."

Discussing the battle against a Muslim warlord in Somalia, Boykin told another audience, "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol."

"We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this," Boykin said last year.

On at least one occasion, in Sandy, Ore., in June, Boykin said of President Bush: "He's in the White House because God put him there."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1016-01.htm
 

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what?

Atheism says nothing about how you live your life otherwise.
I disagree with you in some sense
because belief dictates so much how one lives their life, "non-belief" will have a lot to say as well, even if simply by abstinence
this is for all intents and purposes a mere tautology

listen atheist brehs, we don't have to shy away from this
in fact we have to face up to it

You don't need a religion to learn to NOT be a dikk to your neighbor.

totally agree:salute:
 
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I discovered that my religion is not the only one that exists on earth; there are more than 1100 other faiths and their followers all claim that their religion tells the absolute truth. So religion is a form of Dogma,

Atheists happy those people got crushed and devasted just so their faith in God is broken. Thats that pure evil.

Thats obviously a bullshyt extrapolated statistic though, still.
but what about the bolded? how can that possibly be refuted?
 

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Peoples faith in god was wavered when they were relentlessly attacked by a foreign country and they watched in horror as their army was reduced to Nada and their children and family and friends contracted cancer from depleted uranium rounds. I mean, over a million people died in that nation as a result of the war. I dont think you can really fathom how many bodies that is. Type of horror that make you say fukk life.



"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustionWe shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." - Albert Pike in a letter to Mazzini, 1879.
 
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"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustionWe shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." - Albert Pike in a letter to Mazzini, 1879.

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Juan Cole is one of the foremost academic experts on the history and politics of the Middle East in the US. His website is a good resource for this kind of information.

Well unfortunately Juan Cole didn't write this article Mariwan Salihi did. He's a well-known Kurdish patriot who dislikes Iraqis and writes unfavorable articles about them every chance he gets. Also, if you noticed, all his sources were local Kurdish news outlets who are doing everything to disassociate themselves from and discredit Iraq. I do think many people in the region are starting to doubt the existence of God but the statistics and sources aren't that reliable to be honest.
 
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Well unfortunately Juan Cole didn't write this article Mariwan Salihi did. He's a well-known Kurdish patriot who dislikes Iraqis and writes unfavorable articles about them every chance he gets. Also, if you noticed, all his sources were local Kurdish news outlets who are doing everything to disassociate and discredit Iraq. I do think many people in the region are starting to doubt the existence of good but the statistics and sources aren't that reliable to be honest.

That's a fair point about Salihi, but AKNews was a reliable source. Not every Kurdish source should be discredited simply because it's Kurdish, just like not every Arab Iraqi source should be trusted or discredited. It's possible that their sample size tilted towards Kurdish people, but that would still be significant. Also, the article wasn't written with a negative slant- it's not unfavorable towards anyone, except for maybe the one part about Kurdistan being safer for atheists than Arab Iraq.
 

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That's a fair point about Salihi, but AKNews was a reliable source. Not every Kurdish source should be discredited simply because it's Kurdish, just like not every Arab Iraqi source should be trusted or discredited. It's possible that their sample size tilted towards Kurdish people, but that would still be significant. Also, the article wasn't written with a negative slant- it's not unfavorable towards anyone, except for maybe the one part about Kurdistan being safer for atheists than Arab Iraq.

Definitely not, but a Kurdish source on a Iraqi news is as trustworthy as a Israeli source on Iran. Also, the article doesn't have a negative slant from a western perspective but would definitely be the opposite to Arab readers.
 
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