The Death of God In Iraq: 32% of Iraqis Not Sure God Exists, 11% Think Not

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because of the religious tension would be my reasoning

On the contrary, religious disputes usually creates religious disillusionment and a resentment towards the conflicting factor.. Thus, Iraqis current struggle with finding a political balance actually supports the notion that religion's importance will diminish, I just don't agree with the rate the article claims.
 

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On the contrary, religious disputes usually creates religious disillusionment and a resentment towards the conflicting factor.. Thus, Iraqis current struggle with finding a political balance actually supports the notion that religion's importance will diminish, I just don't agree with the rate the article claims.

I agree to an extent.

its the fear of being killed over your religious disillusionment…I'd think folks would just practice cognitive dissonance and say, "the way THEY'RE practicing is wrong."
 

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I agree to an extent.

its the fear of being killed over your religious disillusionment…I'd think folks would just practice cognitive dissonance and say, "the way THEY'RE practicing is wrong."

That doesn't disprove my point that the a small portion of the country is rejecting the religion though. Also, the fear of repercussion for abandoning Islam isn't strong in Iraq.
 

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Wow, this last page is just :heh: :mindblown:

Religion was a product of early human advancement into complex agricultural and pastoral societies. Religion had two roots, stellar worship and vegetation worship. Stellar worship paid close attention to the cycles of the celestial bodies, the solstices and equinoxes were important events as they marked points in time where crop cultivation could begin to take shape again. While vegetation worship dealt more with the vegetation and the crops themselves and the pureness of the soil, rains, etc. Stellar worship in particular was a primary influence on Ancient Ethiopian religion which became Kemetian/Egyptian, eventually the religions of today took their cue from that as well.

Horus and Jesus alike were representations of the sun's yearly cycle, this is why you don't hear much about their lives growing up but rather their birth/child and eventually them as the man/adult. Winter solstice marked the "death of the sun" and the spring solstice was its resurrection as the life giving sun once more. Hence the X-Mas holidays and Easter. The cult of Adonis also had a lot of influence on the myth of Jesus Christ, many members of the Adonis cult became Christians and adopted those same important landmarks and places of worship from the former Adonis cult. Different forms of Stellar and Vegetation worship developed all over the planet which is why belief systems are so diverse, they then over time evolved into more complex belief systems with deities representing various aspects of life not yet explained or simply beyond their control. Humans never began already having a concept of religion or god, it was a product of their development and their way of explaining the things they couldn't understand. A lot of the allegories/fables in the Bible have examples of this.

Also, Kemet itself and all its customs and religion was a creation of the Ancient Ethiopian if we're gonna play the Afrocentric card. So yeah, prior to the development of those early belief systems and this level of human development you could say that humans were atheist since the concept of god itself hadn't even been created yet. If you want to be generous you could say they were agnostic, but seeing as how they knew next to nothin other than the means to survive you'd have to say that atheist prolly fits better this context.
 

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Wow, this last page is just :heh: :mindblown:

Religion was a product of early human advancement into complex agricultural and pastoral societies. Religion had two roots, stellar worship and vegetation worship. Stellar worship paid close attention to the cycles of the celestial bodies, the solstices and equinoxes were important events as they marked points in time where crop cultivation could begin to take shape again. While vegetation worship dealt more with the vegetation and the crops themselves and the pureness of the soil, rains, etc. Stellar worship in particular was a primary influence on Ancient Ethiopian religion which became Kemetian/Egyptian, eventually the religions of today took their cue from that as well.

Horus and Jesus alike were representations of the sun's yearly cycle, this is why you don't hear much about their lives growing up but rather their birth/child and eventually them as the man/adult. Winter solstice marked the "death of the sun" and the spring solstice was its resurrection as the life giving sun once more. Hence the X-Mas holidays and Easter. The cult of Adonis also had a lot of influence on the myth of Jesus Christ, many members of the Adonis cult became Christians and adopted those same important landmarks and places of worship from the former Adonis cult. Different forms of Stellar and Vegetation worship developed all over the planet which is why belief systems are so diverse, they then over time evolved into more complex belief systems with deities representing various aspects of life not yet explained or simply beyond their control. Humans never began already having a concept of religion or god, it was a product of their development and their way of explaining the things they couldn't understand. A lot of the allegories/fables in the Bible have examples of this.

Also, Kemet itself and all its customs and religion was a creation of the Ancient Ethiopian if we're gonna play the Afrocentric card. So yeah, prior to the development of those early belief systems and this level of human development you could say that humans were atheist since the concept of god itself hadn't even been created yet. If you want to be generous you could say they were agnostic, but seeing as how they knew next to nothin other than the means to survive you'd have to say that atheist prolly fits better this context.
So it seems like when human beings have to go into survival mode, they may lose their faith in "gods".

Do you want to go back to those times?
 

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So it seems like when human beings have to go into survival mode, they may lose their faith in "gods".

Do you want to go back to those times?

Not exactly, the early humans were more concerned with survival over contemplation of what created their existence. Hunter/gatherers weren't about that prayer life cuz they were more concerned with not being killed by their surroundings. The development of human societies and agriculture/pastoralism resulted in religion. Religious belief didn't come before the creation of human society. Plus, it's not a question of whether or not people want to go back to those times. Rather it's about what did religion mean to the early humans? How did they develop it into what it's become today? More importantly does it serve a purpose today?

Honestly, I think it's how religion is used that's the problem. Take the op for example, Iraqi's are losing faith because they see constant killing due primarily to politicized Islam both from Shia and Sunni so naturally they may gradually come to abhor the very concept of religious belief seeing how it's been used to manipulate their compatriots to kill each other. However on the other hand, you have a tiny minority of Christian Iraqi's that have survived the centuries. Perhaps it was their religion that brought them this far, nevertheless it preserved a part of Iraq/Babylon's history by keeping those people alive amidst a majority Muslim region. Same with Syrian Christians, they still speak Aramaic which is believed to be the language of Jesus. It's doubtful it would of survived had they been converted to Islam. You could argue the same case for Zoroastrians in modern Iran, a lot of their religion provided the blueprint for the Abrahamic faiths but are also a window for us to look into the culture of Ancient Persia.

So there's good and bad. :yeshrug:
 
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