The Champs Escape The Beam & Now Face The King's New Regime! | Official Lakers (#7) vs. Warriors (#6) WCSF Thread

[SchoolboyC]

kings scored 114 or more in 5/7 games

Kings averaged 121 PPG in the regular season, holding them to 114 is a win

 

[NoMorePie]

Can't even imagine the hottakes after just the 1st quarter of game 1

 

[murksiderock]

What's off about my analysis?






That matchup is a mess for the Lakers on the other end though. If they're playing Steph/Klay/Wiggins/Poole plus either Draymond or Looney inside, who the fukk is gonna cover the four perimeter players for the Warriors? Bron is a step slow at 38, Rui isn't a perimeter defender, and D-Lo is terrible at defense. Reaves can guard someone, but all the other Lakers who can play defense are worthless on the offensive end, making it easy to throw double-teams at Bron or AD.

I think it's going to be tough to play all three of AD, Bron, and Rui at the same time. You can't trade 2s for 3s. I feel like the most likely lineup for the Lakers is going to be rotating AD, Bron, and Rui in the 2 frontcourt spots, then having Reaves, D-Lo or Schroder, and Vandy or Brown. They'll play some time with AD/Bron/Rui, especially if Looney and Draymond are on the court at the same time, but the Warriors are going to exploit that shyt if they play it too much.

Bro San Francisco just shot 32.8% from 3 on 41 attempts vs the Sacramento defense. Sacramento played better D most of the series than they did in the regular season, but they don't have the versatility or flexibility of the Lakers D...

Again, the Warriors were 32.8% on 41 3pa/game vs that defense. We all know SF shooters are a threat but I think you're envisioning a boogeyman we haven't seen from this '23 SF squad...

In comparison the Lakers shot 31% on 35 attempts/game. The real disparity would be about four made 3s, 12 points, in SF's favor, without accounting for anything else...

D'Lo is terrible on D but Schroder isn't, and while Schroder had a poor series offensively vs Memphis he has the ability to be a real offensive threat, and frankly, we're going to need him to be. Here's the thing...

The Lakers have shown the ability to throw out devastating defensive lineups, truly game-breaking defense, and still get offensive production, with two specific lineups: Schroder-Reaves-Vanderbilt-LeBron-AD, which Vanderbilt is your only consistently flawed offensive threat;

And D'Lo-Schroder-Rui-LeBron-AD where D'Lo is your weak link defensively but he's actually holding up quite well in this specific lineup and he brings a plus offensively...

Personally bro, I'm excited to see the Warriors tinker their lineups versus this level of creativity and suffocation. This ain't gonna be a Warriors 3pt parade---->obviously they'll have their runs, we know this. But there's been no test vs this squad and I see no reason you can't play Rui, all he's done is grow since becoming a Laker...

SF's 8-man rotation, similar to LA's, is full of guys who are limitations on one end of the floor and streak shooters...

 

[murksiderock]

Nobody is even weighing the potential for LA's frontcourt advantage to dominate this series...

The Warriors have Looney, Dray, and Wiggins as their frontcourt in their rotation. That's it. They understand they aren't gonna be able to just fly to the basket unimpeded so part of the strategy will be to draw LA away from the rim, obviously. Who in LA's frontcourt can't defend on the perimeter, though?

I'm not asking if there aren't ups and downs, Vando and Rui and LeBron and AD can all have moments they lose on the perimeter, but all have moments they win and you can switch all of these guys on anyone. This size should win more often than not on the glass, plus Reaves and Schroder are strong rebounding guards...

Scoring the ball is gonna test the strength of SF's frontcourt defense...

Man I'm confident about this shyt. The Show finna pack out these dudes. Makes it even better that SF is a wack ass city too ...

Lakers need role players to hit open shots. And they need a much greater version of LeBron than we got in Rd1...

I think Bron has one more title surge in him, and I think our other guys will show up more than they don't. I think we'll be able to withstand SF runs, and I think Ham won't be completely outclassed by Kerr...

That Bay shyt finna end, Lakers in 7 at the absolute worst...

 

[Volt]

The thing about trying to analyze what the Warriors can do is that they're so fukking inconsistent that it's a fool's errand.

We never know if Poole will be in a highlight reel because he went off or because he fumbled. Same goes for a lot of cats in this team.

One thing y'all seem to have forgotten is Wiggins. Man transforms into a straight demon whenever he faces LeBron.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Bro San Francisco just shot 32.8% from 3 on 41 attempts vs the Sacramento defense. Sacramento played better D most of the series than they did in the regular season, but they don't have the versatility or flexibility of the Lakers D...

Again, the Warriors were 32.8% on 41 3pa/game vs that defense. We all know SF shooters are a threat but I think you're envisioning a boogeyman we haven't seen from this '23 SF squad...

Warriors have still been integrating with Wiggins only recently back, and both he and Poole were extra cold from deep. I can almost guarantee they're going to be better this next round.

The Lakers have shown the ability to throw out devastating defensive lineups, truly game-breaking defense, and still get offensive production, with two specific lineups: Schroder-Reaves-Vanderbilt-LeBron-AD, which Vanderbilt is your only consistently flawed offensive threat;

Schroder has shot 40% or worse from the field and 30% or worse from 3pt range in every playoff series of the last 5 years. He's shown zero evidence that he's able to make a shot in the playoffs.

Since AD and Bron been cold, that lineup has literally one 3pt shooter in it.

And D'Lo-Schroder-Rui-LeBron-AD where D'Lo is your weak link defensively but he's actually holding up quite well in this specific lineup and he brings a plus offensively...

I assume you're putting Schroder on Curry....so D-Lo has to chase Klay? Rui on Wiggins or Poole, and LeBron on the other? To me it looks like there's a lot of ways to give that lineup trouble defensively.

Reaves gotta play heavy minutes, I don't see any way around it. Schroder's a playable option if he can hit shots at even a passable rate, but will he? Troy Brown or Beasley might be able to get minutes if either one can hit 3pt like they did in the regular season. Otherwise you gotta hope Rui can show ability to run around on the perimeter and that D-Lo can make just enough shots to make up for the ones he's gonna give up on the other end.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Worst thing about playing the Lakers is reading this dikkriding ass nikka @Rhakim stan-babble

Ah, poor baby, I hope you'll be okay. If it makes you feel better, I'm gonna stay out of the series threads for the most part just like I do every year. Way too much hot take BS goes on during the Coli playoffs to be worth it.

 

[rbksNgirbauds]

Bron and the lakers have historically given Steph problems. Rest assured they know to be very Physical with him and blitz/Double the shyt out of him when applicable. It'l be up to Golden state's roleplayers to step up for them to have a chance to win. This isn't the king's defense... he wont be able to hero ball to a victory.

And this isn't 2015. All that blitzing and getting physical shyt is cute, but it's small potatoes, Kerr and the staff have come up with a variety of counters to that since those early years. Whether it's Steph passing to the wing(avoiding the trap all together) and then chasing it down and playing off of that. Or him flipping it to Dray, spinning back to a Dray handoff. Of course the 4v3s with Dray facilitating, so dump offs etc etc etc. You'll be giving up more wide open looks than not. Steph, at this stage, is either on or he's off, there is no defense that stops him from getting quality looks all game now. He muscled up.

Can Bron keep that hound dog in Loudpack Wiggs out of his jersey is the real concern. There's precedence there in that matchup as well

 

[Flight]

 

[Goatpoacher]

Lakers in 7. Let’s fukkin go, LWO!

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One thing that worries me is that steph has historically been pretty mediocre against the lakers no matter who was on the team (kobe, bron, tanking years). I don't know what it is. Not sure what the actual stats are, but I wouldn't be surprised if his PPG and fg% vs. lakers are all below his career averages.

Whole team has played like their drunk whenever they are in LA. Even before curry was drafted

 

[Ziggiy]

I’m predicting it comes down to Reaves and Russell.

Each of them is going to have to have one MONSTER breakout game for Lakers to edge this out.

Lebron is going to be consistent but the days of him flipping the switch and going Super Saiyan for 35 minutes straight are pretty much over. I’m thinking he’s got ONE of those in the tank and honestly even if he does pull it out the Warriors aren’t going to be scared because they’ve experienced it before. Anthony Davis is going to have to be Bubble Davis EVERY SINGLE game because Looney ain’t no punk and Draymond is going to pull out every filthy, dirty, tactic he knows to get under his skin.

With a dominant AD and consistent Bron that should be enough to keep the ship afloat, but Reaves and/or Russell are going to have to be that third pillar to get to the finish line

 

[bigde09]

Lakers in 6 unfortunately

Hope I’m wrong

 

[aceboon]

1 day off in between every game bout to have the old guard on both sides in hell

 

[OaklandCertified]

@FAH1223 got thread names for every bump on ya face.

 

[murksiderock]

And this isn't 2015. All that blitzing and getting physical shyt is cute, but it's small potatoes, Kerr and the staff have come up with a variety of counters to that since those early years. Whether it's Steph passing to the wing(avoiding the trap all together) and then chasing it down and playing off of that. Or him flipping it to Dray, spinning back to a Dray handoff. Of course the 4v3s with Dray facilitating, so dump offs etc etc etc. You'll be giving up more wide open looks than not. Steph, at this stage, is either on or he's off, there is no defense that stops him from getting quality looks all game now. He muscled up.

Can Bron keep that hound dog in Loudpack Wiggs out of his jersey is the real concern. There's precedence there in that matchup as well

Bron has another title surge in him. Wiggins will give him trouble but I expect Bron to level up another notch...

Warriors have still been integrating with Wiggins only recently back, and both he and Poole were extra cold from deep. I can almost guarantee they're going to be better this next round.






Schroder has shot 40% or worse from the field and 30% or worse from 3pt range in every playoff series of the last 5 years. He's shown zero evidence that he's able to make a shot in the playoffs.

Since AD and Bron been cold, that lineup has literally one 3pt shooter in it.





I assume you're putting Schroder on Curry....so D-Lo has to chase Klay? Rui on Wiggins or Poole, and LeBron on the other? To me it looks like there's a lot of ways to give that lineup trouble defensively.

Reaves gotta play heavy minutes, I don't see any way around it. Schroder's a playable option if he can hit shots at even a passable rate, but will he? Troy Brown or Beasley might be able to get minutes if either one can hit 3pt like they did in the regular season. Otherwise you gotta hope Rui can show ability to run around on the perimeter and that D-Lo can make just enough shots to make up for the ones he's gonna give up on the other end.

I just see as many matchup problems for SF bruh. I don't see this path of clear advantages maybe you see that they have. Warriors are still re-integrating Wiggins and LA is still coalescing and integrating as a team, sounds like there are similar junctures here.