The Cavs Andrew Wiggins/Kevin Love Dilemma*Update* Deal is finalized

Should the Cavs trade Wiggins for Love?


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It went from Wiggins and Bennett, to now Wiggins and Thompson or Wiggins and Waiters plus picks :dead:
Everything you mentioned in this thread about learning from the Heat's situation and not trading depth for superstars has me a little stressed right now.

The reports of LeBron wanting Love shouldn't matter. The Cavs messed themselves up the first time around pandering to him too much. We're about to potentially screw ourselves over, in classic Cleveland fashion.
 

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If they so quick to throw wiggins in the bushes why the fukk did they pick him in the first damn place :mindblown:

They could've picked any player they wanted but they chose Wiggins. This is dumb as hell. Minnisota will basically be bailed out for their shytty ass moves. That franchise needs to be contracted. Along with Cleveland.
 

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The same sources that said he was lining up to return to Cleveland, while you were telling us Melo to Miami was about to happen :mjpls:
nikka pleas, lemme guess you never guess wrong on an NBA prediction huh? But shyt don't even matter. If the Cavs want Love, they'll go after him. If it wasn't for Bron, they'd still be out of the playoff and with a bunch of young talent who don't maturate. The reason Cleveland is a contender is because of Lebron James, not none of them other nikkas with "potential" who all of a sudden have because valuable commodities.
 

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Everything you mentioned in this thread about learning from the Heat's situation and not trading depth for superstars has me a little stressed right now.

That's the thing, Love isn't a superstar to me, if he were a great two way big then yeah you should move assets for him. Like if this were a prime KG or Duncan, I could understand, but he's literally the worst rim protector in the league.

The reports of LeBron wanting Love shouldn't matter. The Cavs messed themselves up the first time around pandering to him too much. We're about to potentially screw ourselves over, in classic Cleveland fashion.

If they cave, the Cavs are done, Love's impact on the game just isn't big enough to warrant this type of move. Only way it would is if they had a strong defensive 5 to pick up the slack for him.
 

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If they so quick to throw wiggins in the bushes why the fukk did they pick him in the first damn place :mindblown:

They could've picked any player they wanted but they chose Wiggins. This is dumb as hell. Minnisota will basically be bailed out for their shytty ass moves. That franchise needs to be contracted. Along with Cleveland.

Are you slow?
 

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That's the thing, Love isn't a superstar to me, if he were a great two way big then yeah you should move assets for him. Like if this were a prime KG or Duncan, I could understand, but he's literally the worst rim protector in the league.



If they cave, the Cavs are done, Love's impact on the game just isn't big enough to warrant this type of move. Only way it would is if they had a strong defensive 5 to pick up the slack for him.
What impact on the game do the rest of them nikkas have??? :mindblown: Wiggins didn't even have an impact in the biggest game of his career in the ncca tourny.
 

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nikka pleas, lemme guess you never guess wrong on an NBA prediction huh? But shyt don't even matter. If the Cavs want Love, they;ll go after him. If it wasn't for Bron, they'd still be out of the playoff and with a bunch of young talent who don't maturate. The reason Cleveland is a contender is because of Lebron James, not none of them other nikkas with "potential" who all of a sudden have because valuable commodities.


I'm wrong all the time, but I'll admit it and most importantly I'm right far far more often than I'm wrong :smugbiden:

Kevin Love isn't worth it, period. If they do the move they will be good offensively and horrible defensively, instead of going back and forth on why LeBron is so great, tell me how Kevin Love's impact would make them a title team. Cause I can and have broken it down all throughout the thread while all you dudes do is just post "26/12" over and over again.
 

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I'm wrong all the time, but I'll admit it and most importantly I'm right far far more often than I'm wrong :smugbiden:

Kevin Love isn't worth it, period. If they do the move they will be good offensively and horrible defensively, instead of going back and forth on why LeBron is so great, tell me how Kevin Love's impact would make them a title team. Cause I can and have broken it down all throughout the thread while all you dudes do is just post "26/12" over and over again.
Because Wiggins could be a fukking bust and not provide shyt. Only thing almost certain in this equation is that Love will be a contributor and put up numbers. Everything else is on some bu bu but he has potential bu bu but maybe that draft pick will be a star. It's called risk assessment. You talking about rim protectors and great defenders in the paint and acting like there are a bunch of free agent cats that fit that category on the market just waiting on their phone to ring. This isn't 1994, it's 2014.
 

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I'm wrong all the time, but I'll admit it and most importantly I'm right far far more often than I'm wrong :smugbiden:

Kevin Love isn't worth it, period. If they do the move they will be good offensively and horrible defensively, instead of going back and forth on why LeBron is so great, tell me how Kevin Love's impact would make them a title team. Cause I can and have broken it down all throughout the thread while all you dudes do is just post "26/12" over and over again.

Except when its Raptor related...
 

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I don't understand why Minny has any kind of leverage. If they are playing hardball why don't teams just say "fukk 'em" and wait till the trade deadline or next off season
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
What impact on the game do the rest of them nikkas have??? :mindblown: Wiggins didn't even have an impact in the biggest game of his career in the ncca tourny.


I don't give a fukk about the NCAA tourney, if I did do you think I would have been saying Andre Drummond should go second in the draft while everyone else was calling him a bust and championing the seasoned Thomas Robinson? I only care about how someones game translates to the league, period.

The impact they have on the game is the fact they wouldn't eat up the entire cap, they wouldn't limit flexibility why is this such a hard concept to understand? nikka, what impact does Kevin Love have on the game? You're acting like Love has led his team to the playoffs or something, he's in the same boat as Kyrie, Waiters, Thompson except he posts better numbers.
 

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Bill Simmons wrote about this potential trade today, and I agree with him 100%:
That brings me to the third thing I’d bring to Gilbert’s attention: You know who else doesn’t need to make a move right away? The Cleveland Cavaliers! What’s the rush? Why do we have to finish our roster in July? What’s wrong with riding out the current nucleus for a few months, getting everyone in a training camp with LeBron, then seeing how everyone meshes with him?

What if Wiggins shows signs — day after day after day — of becoming the Pippen to LeBron’s MJ? What if LeBron is throwing him crazy alley-oops left and right and gushing, “I’ve always wanted to play with a freak athlete like this”?

What if Wiggins and LeBron are roaming around defensively like coyotes, stripping dudes at midcourt, jumping passing lanes and basically looking like mid-1990s Pippen and MJ reincarnated?

What if sending Wiggins to Playing With LeBron Camp turned out to be the greatest thing that ever happened to Andrew Wiggins? What if this single-handedly altered his professional destiny? What if LeBron turned him into his basketball clone, much like Jordan brainwashed Pippen into evolving into his perfect sidekick?

Here’s the point: THE CAVALIERS HAVE TO FIND OUT. And they’ll know, or at least have a really good idea, by December or January.

And guess what. That same Wiggins-for-Love deal will still be sitting there after Christmas. None of the other 28 teams are trumping it. If it has to be done, then it has to be done — the Cavs can’t waste the rest of LeBron’s prime if Wiggins isn’t close to being ready yet, not with LeBron passing 40,000 career minutes during the first quarter of his first 2014 Cavs game. There’s a shelf life here. The Cavaliers can’t take their sweet time and wait for their supporting cast to catch up with the greatest player of his generation. They can’t.

At the same time, I need to see LeBron and the young’uns for a few months before I swing a mega-deal. I want to see how Kyrie Irving and Wiggins blend with LeBron — if they figure out how to run with him, space the floor for him, ease some of his playmaking burden and let HIM be the guy taking advantage of everyone else’s young legs for once. I want to see if Dion Waiters can become this generation’s Vinnie Johnson, a.k.a. Microwave 2.0. I want to see if Anderson Varejao can stay healthy for the first time since 1975, and I want to see if Tristan Thompson and Anthony Bennett jump a level because they’re suddenly playing with one of the league’s best passers.

I mean … is it OK that I see this for 45 to 50 games? Is that fine with everyone?

Best-case scenario: Wiggins proves to be untouchable and Bennett shows signs of becoming a late bloomer/belated keeper, followed by Flip begrudgingly settling for a February deal of Love for Bennett, Waiters, two unprotected first-round picks (including Miami’s first-rounder that’s unprotected in 2017) and one pick swap over the next five years … a deal that, by the way, is still better than any other offer they’ll get. Yes, including the right to overpay David Lee and eventually overpay Klay Thompson.

Worst-case scenario: Wiggins suffers enough growing pains that you no longer feel fearful or guilty about flipping him for Love in February … which means Cleveland would be trotting out one of the seven best basketball players of all time and one of the league’s 12 best players as his sidekick.

In summary, the Cavaliers can’t lose no matter what happens. I look forward to them screwing up the final decision and somehow having it work out. In Gilbert We Trust.
 

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After much deliberation, I'm keeping Wiggins. Love can sign next year, even tho I don't know what kind of cap space they'll have to work with.
 
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