The Buzz is Back: 2014-2015 Charlotte Hornets Thread

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cornbread maxwell's dumb, lispy ass said this wasn't enough when someone recommended it but what do you think:

lance, cody zeller and 2 firsts for harrison Barnes

obviously the 2 firsts is a lot. maybe it could be a swap of firsts this year (top 3 protected)

harrison is a young 2 guard who might be worth the risk (no homer)
 

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cornbread maxwell's dumb, lispy ass said this wasn't enough when someone recommended it but what do you think:

lance, cody zeller and 2 firsts for harrison Barnes

obviously the 2 firsts is a lot. maybe it could be a swap of firsts this year (top 3 protected)

harrison is a young 2 guard who might be worth the risk (no homer)
Harrison isn't good man. Dude is a crappy Danny Green with none of the defense. If he wasn't playing on GS, he'd look like Orlando Trevor Ariza at best.

You should neg whoever posted that.
 

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cornbread maxwell's dumb, lispy ass said this wasn't enough when someone recommended it but what do you think:

lance, cody zeller and 2 firsts for harrison Barnes

obviously the 2 firsts is a lot. maybe it could be a swap of firsts this year (top 3 protected)

harrison is a young 2 guard who might be worth the risk (no homer)

Whoever suggested that, slap the shyt out of them :scust:
 

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cornbread maxwell's dumb, lispy ass said this wasn't enough when someone recommended it but what do you think:

lance, cody zeller and 2 firsts for harrison Barnes

obviously the 2 firsts is a lot. maybe it could be a swap of firsts this year (top 3 protected)

harrison is a young 2 guard who might be worth the risk (no homer)

I kinda like this with some adjustments.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k7tjxs7
 
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Roster Reload: Jefferson key for Hornets

2014-15 record: 33-49
Pythagorean record: 32-50
Offensive rating: 97.6 (28th)
Defensive rating: 101.0 (9th)



Under Contract for 2015-16
Player Salary RPM WARP
Kemba Walker $12,000,000 -0.7 6.3
Marvin Williams $7,000,000 0.5 3.4
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist $6,331,404 2.7 1.4
Cody Zeller $4,204,200 4.3 1.2
Brian Roberts $2,854,940 -3.1 0.5
Noah Vonleh $2,637,720 -2.3 0.2
P.J. Hairston $1,201,440 -3.8 0.1
Troy Daniels $947,276 -4.4 -0.2
Lance Stephenson $9,000,000 -5.0 -2.5








Possible Free Agents
Player Type RPM WARP
Al Jefferson Player option -1.0 4.6
Mo Williams Unrestricted -1.0 4.2
Bismack Biyombo Restricted -0.8 3.5
Jeff Taylor Restricted -4.8 -0.5
Gerald Henderson Jr. Player option 0.3 -0.5
Jason Maxiell Unrestricted -3.4 -0.6






Draft Picks


Own first-round pick (9th entering lottery)
Own second-round pick (39th)



Projected Cap Space


Maximum: $18.2 million
Minimum: $0
Likely: $0



What's Returning


The Hornets got ahead of the cap increase last fall, extending point guard Kemba Walker for four years and $48 million. Soon, they'll face similar extension talks with small forward Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, the No. 2 overall pick of the 2012 draft. Kidd-Gilchrist was more of an offensive threat after revamping his shooting form, but his true value lies on defense, where Charlotte allowed 7.8 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the court, per NBA.com/Stats. The next step for Kidd-Gilchrist will be staying healthy; he's missed 47 games over the past two seasons.



Besides Kidd-Gilchrist, ESPN's real plus-minus is also fond of Cody Zeller, the Hornets' 2013 lottery pick. Charlotte was 7.6 points better per 100 possessions with Zeller on the court. The development of Zeller and 2014 lottery pick Noah Vonleh, who showed promise in limited action as a rookie, could make Marvin Williams expendable. Williams and guard Lance Stephenson, the Hornets' marquee additions in free agency last summer, were both relegated to reserve roles due to ineffective play.



Free Agents


Center Al Jefferson faces an interesting decision this summer. After Jefferson's first season in Charlotte resulted in a spot on the All-NBA Third Team, it looked inevitable that he'd opt out of the final year of his contract. Coming off a season in which he missed 17 games and was limited by injuries while on the court, Jefferson may be hard-pressed to surpass the $13.5 million he would make by opting in. Starting shooting guard Gerald Henderson also faces a decision on his $6 million option.



Jefferson's backup, Bismack Biyombo, could be a restricted free agent if the Hornets opt to make a $5.2 million qualifying offer to him. While Biyombo still struggles offensively due to poor hands and footwork, he's developed into a quality rim protector. Mo Williams, acquired before the trade deadline to supply needed perimeter punch, will be an unrestricted free agent.



Biggest Need: 3-Point Shooting


Charlotte ranked 26th in the NBA in 3-pointers, and no team shot a worse percentage from beyond the arc than the Hornets' 31.8 percent mark, putting them last in the league in 3-Point Index. The wings were particularly problematic. Kidd-Gilchrist did not make a single 3-pointer all season, Stephenson posted the lowest accuracy ever for a player with at least 100 attempts (17.1 percent) and Henderson made less than half a 3-pointer per game.



That left Charlotte's point guards and stretch-4 Marvin Williams (a team-high 95 3s) as the sources of perimeter punch. Internal development by rookie P.J. Hairston could give the Hornets more shooting, though he shot just 30.1 percent as a rookie, attempting a 3 nearly every four minutes he was on the court.



Biggest Question: Is Jefferson worth a long-term investment?


Credit the Hornets for a good bet on Jefferson in free agency two years ago. Steve Clifford's defensive scheme minimized Jefferson's limitations at that end of the floor, and Jefferson provided needed scoring punch to a team sorely in need of offense. In his second season, however, Charlotte was slightly better with Jefferson on the bench. He's also 30 now, and if Jefferson opts out and another team comes in with a multiyear offer, it may be difficult for the Hornets to justify spending that much on a player in the decline phase of his career.



Ideal Offseason


Charlotte finds a team willing to take a chance on rehabilitating Stephenson in the last guaranteed season of his three-year contract, giving the Hornets enough cap room to re-sign Jefferson and add a floor-spacing wing like DeMarre Carroll of the Atlanta Hawks in free agency. Charlotte's lottery pick contributes immediately and Vonleh is among the league's most improved players, giving the Hornets enviable depth.
anybody that says re-signing Al Jefferson would be good for us is out of touch and clearly doesnt follow the Hornets
 
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also that fakkit stan norfleet was on 610 on friday and said he has been talking to some agents and the hot rumor in the agent community is that mkg and the brow wanna team up again...in charlotte

then they plan on recruiting steph to join them in 2 years.

i know it wont happen but it is so nice to think about.
I know u got shytted on for this post but this scenario has lowkey been in my head since last summer:patrice: but my only question is would AD be a restricted free agent?
 

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Harrison isn't good man. Dude is a crappy Danny Green with none of the defense. If he wasn't playing on GS, he'd look like Orlando Trevor Ariza at best.

You should neg whoever posted that.

he's still super young, is showing flashes this season (especially in the postseason) and is a capable defender.

obviously he benefits from steph and klay but you can make the argument that he would have bigger stats if he got to be "the" guy.

i think you're severely underrating him and i am probably overrating him a bit. the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. but a young wing player with potential and size is something we need in the worst way and is something that may be worth the risk

that trade suggestion i heard was posted more to laugh at the absurdity of dumbass cornbread saying "it wouldnt even be close to enough". but picks/zeller/lance's expiring for a young wing is something we have to explore and maybe slightly overpay for.
 

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he's still super young, is showing flashes this season (especially in the postseason) and is a capable defender.

obviously he benefits from steph and klay but you can make the argument that he would have bigger stats if he got to be "the" guy.

i think you're severely underrating him and i am probably overrating him a bit. the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. but a young wing player with potential and size is something we need in the worst way and is something that may be worth the risk

that trade suggestion i heard was posted more to laugh at the absurdity of dumbass cornbread saying "it wouldnt even be close to enough". but picks/zeller/lance's expiring for a young wing is something we have to explore and maybe slightly overpay for.
you can't because his time as the go-to guy at UNC was nothing but a long letdown and when Mark Jackson was running his is-everyone offense he looked terrible.

he's okay. he's no one you build around in the long term. at best, the guy could be a discount richard jefferson
 

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you can't because his time as the go-to guy at UNC was nothing but a long letdown and when Mark Jackson was running his is-everyone offense he looked terrible.

he's okay. he's no one you build around in the long term. at best, the guy could be a discount richard jefferson

i will admit i lost all faith in him when he was destroyed vs ohio in the sweet 16

not ohio state. OHIO

in all honesty, he is a all star level guy if he's playing with kendall marshall but has been disappointing outside of that

what i am saying is sign my man kendall
 

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Do ya'll think we woulda made the playoffs if we signed Hayward instead of Lance?

absolutely. lance was completely useless and with the lack of wing production we had, having a guy like heyward (who had a really good season) would have been enough.

but then again cliff probably woulda misused him though and not allowed him to develop so who knows

also our pursuit of heyward was lowkey retarded. he was never gonna sign here. everyone knew utah was gonna match. but we offered him money, tied up our cap space with the cap hold on that offer and missed out on numerous guys. so once he resigned with utah, we missed out on everyone and panicked a little bit about having to get someone and thus we end up with lance
 
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