The biggest damage Diddy did to hip hop was when....

[NYC Rebel]

...he popularized and co-opted the term "hating." This was in the late 90s.

He took a lot of flack after BIG died, especially in NY. Then he started throwing that term around where it ended up erasing gatekeepers of hip-hop from calling trash....trash. And now we are living with it.

 

[Sbp]

"I guess you got it twisted , you don't know who to trust, so many playa hatin nikkas tryna sound like us"

 

[JustCKing]

Nobody can really call anything that's as subjective as music "trash". And even still, sometimes it was hating. It wasn't like calling out someone in the 90's was going to make them step up their game. They responded with diss records or it got to the level of where it got physical. And its not like people just sat there and took it or even agreed.

Competition made people step their game up. Either they were competing with themselves or other artists because things were changing so much that you had to keep up.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

The flack the South gets needed to be squarely on diddy

 

[Crumple]

...he popularized the term "hating." This was in the late 90s.

He took a lot of flack after BIG died, especially in NY. Then he started throwing that term around where it ended up erasing gatekeepers of hip-hop from calling trash....trash. And now we are living with it.

Where's the reference for him popularizing the term? Haters have been around since before Christ.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Where's the reference for him popularizing the term? Haters have been around since before Christ.

No it wasn’t. That term got extremely popular in the late 90s. You can’t hear any hip-hop references prior to the late 90s calling people “haters.” Puff was throwinf that around like mad.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

“Playa, open the door
Lay on the floor, you've been robbed
Wake up (wake your *** up), take off your jewels
You fukkin fools, you've been robbed (this is a robbery *****)
Playa playa (hater), Playa playa (hater)
Playa playa (hater), Playa playa (hater)
Playa hater (hater) Playa hater (hater)
Playa hater (hater) Playa hater (hater)”

 

[NYC Rebel]

Nobody can really call anything that's as subjective as music "trash". And even still, sometimes it was hating. It wasn't like calling out someone in the 90's was going to make them step up their game. They responded with diss records or it got to the level of where it got physical. And its not like people just sat there and took it or even agreed.

Competition made people step their game up. Either they were competing with themselves or other artists because things were changing so much that you had to keep up.

Bro… some shyt was trash. And it was around that time where MCs had an out around legitimate criticisms or critiques of their work. You couldn’t say anything was subpar anymore because being called a hater was an out. I regret squashing an article I had penned on it back in the late 90s feeling that the embrace of calling people haters when their work was critiqued would erode standards.

 

[PatCake]

Nobody can really call anything that's as subjective as music "trash". And even still, sometimes it was hating. It wasn't like calling out someone in the 90's was going to make them step up their game. They responded with diss records or it got to the level of where it got physical. And its not like people just sat there and took it or even agreed.

Competition made people step their game up. Either they were competing with themselves or other artists because things were changing so much that you had to keep up.

Very true. You can't like music for someone else.

 

[DarkmanX]

Where's the reference for him popularizing the term? Haters have been around since before Christ.

Think hes talkin about playa haters, which i wouldnt credit Puff or even Big for popularizing.

I feel like "hate" was a thing that came when South got to poppin, especially in the 00s

 

[Awesome Wells]

Very on point thread.

I remember Common saying this back when his third album was dropping. He said you can't even call something wack anymore because now that makes you a hater. And it's true. That nonsense has lasted to present times, where if you say someone is trash that means you're either a hater or "old". It's like you can't even not like certain music anymore without it being turned against you.

Truth be told, that's why so many of the OG's are scared to speak out today and call out wackness. They're scared. The few that do, always have to preface sh*t like "I'm not hating or anything, but I think...". So without that truth being told about the music now, mad wack sh*t drops constantly and nobody wants to speak about it.

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

That nonsense has lasted to present times, where if you say someone is trash that means you're either a hater or "old". It's like you can't even not like certain music anymore without it being turned against you.

That shyt is prevalent on this board & social media.

 

[Boonapalist]

No it wasn’t. That term got extremely popular in the late 90s. You can’t hear any hip-hop references prior to the late 90s calling people “haters.” Puff was throwinf that around like mad.

You must not like Bay Area rap





And there are other examples but those were the first that jumped to my mind

 

[Awesome Wells]

That shyt is prevalent on this board & social media.

Everywhere!

Whenever Ice Spice dropped that "Munchy" whatever track, n*ggas on here told me I was hatin' because I said she was wack. Ice Spice! LOL!! People done lost their damn minds.

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

People hate him now