The Assassination of Black Panther Fred Hampton, 43 years ago

[Blackking]

This post is stupid on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.

1. The government didn't flood coke anywhere you moron. Drug cartels did. The government just partnered with them to reap proceeds to fund their illegal operations in Nicaragua and elsewhere. Drug dealers sold crack to drug users while the government allowed it to happen and developed a partnership for their own geopolitical strategy just like they do with legal industries. The government didn't create the supply or the demand, you smart dumb nikka.

2. That has nothing to do with my original point.

3. Most crack users are WHITE, so it's retarded to say the Black Panthers would've stopped the crack epidemic. Jimbob smoking crack in rural Arkansas doesn't even know who Bobby Seale was. Maybe you're an ignoramus brainwashed by the media into believing most crack users are black.

4. Saying the Black Panthers would've stopped the crack epidemic is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in my life. Drug addiction is a health problem. Reading Marx isn't going to cure anyone of a crippling physical addiction. Only dumb ass armchair revolutionaries of limited intelligence who have never read a book or any piece of material beyond words at the end of a youtube video about the BPP like thekingsmen would say such idiocy. And I'm pro-Panther all the way, but this is romanticization of history and Great Man Theory of comical proportions. Most people are not politically-inclined and could give a fukk about the BPP or any political activist. Only dumb e-revolutionaries who know nothing about the real world look at history through a rose-colored lens and think every black person in the 60's and 70's was some kind of politically-conscious revolutionary and drug addiction wasn't a problem in the black community before crack. Drug addiction--coke and heroin--was rampant in the black underclass during the BPP's heyday. And many of the BPP themselves were on drugs. Huey Newton himself was a drug addict. Newton's lax stance toward lumpenproletariat membership was a large part of their decline.

Some of yall say shyt that's so stupid it almost depresses me to know you exist. "The Black Panthers would've stopped the crack epidemic." This is why HL ain't shyt.

White people used coke and other drugs. Crack was mainly flooded into the inner cities.. And we are less than 15%. You can't say most crack users were white and disregard population disparities, that make the impact on the black community x3 that of other communities. Also, because it was targeted, sold, distributed, and policed all in the inner cities.. you can't ignore the physical, physiological, and cultural effects it had on the inner cities. EVERY TIME people are on here talking about urban sh1t you are way off base (no pun intended)

The way you responded to the first guy, and the next guy, is indicative of some of the reasons "why HL aint shyt." http://www.the-coli.com/higher-lear...y-never-even-bother-respond.html#.UMC8s2ek31M

Anyway there are socioeconomic reasons for the rapid spread of crack in the black community. Also, there are cultural and basically evil reasons why it was there in the first place. Crack's addictiveness, combined with minorities being targeted as the people to flood crack to (being that this nation has made them very venerable to epidemic- drug, viral, etc) and minorities being targeted for drug related crimes- are more of a reason than a simple minded analysis such as "crack is a force of nature".

You say the government didn't flood crack, cartels did. Both did and all parties including low life's in the hood were playing parts in the logistics of it. Even before crack, revolutionaries like Malcolm weren't talking about the "nature of heroin n sh1t" .. He was saying, "you love the people who push this sh1t to you and your children".

Point is, social movements are powerful. The BPP were so powerful that they successfully influenced causes that weren't even solely black American related issues. There is a reason they were stopped. There is a reason that Hampton was shot at such a young age, and it's gross as fck to down play the motivations behind those murders. We can go on all day and point out every flaw with every member of the BPP.. But two things are more important:
Their mission and the reason they Had to be stopped. The fact that the mission was Always more important than the messengers.

 

[cheek100]

if fred were alive today, most black people would call him crazy
theyd send black cops to lock him up

they took her out of the room before they killed him.

how u know?

 

[blackzeus]

White people used coke and other drugs. Crack was mainly flooded into the inner cities.. And we are less than 15%. You can't say most crack users were white and disregard population disparities, that make the impact on the black community x3 that of other communities. Also, because it was targeted, sold, distributed, and policed all in the inner cities.. you can't ignore the physical, physiological, and cultural effects it had on the inner cities. EVERY TIME people are on here talking about urban sh1t you are way off base (no pun intended)

The way you responded to the first guy, and the next guy, is indicative of some of the reasons "why HL aint shyt." http://www.the-coli.com/higher-lear...y-never-even-bother-respond.html#.UMC8s2ek31M

Anyway there are socioeconomic reasons for the rapid spread of crack in the black community. Also, there are cultural and basically evil reasons why it was there in the first place. Crack's addictiveness, combined with minorities being targeted as the people to flood crack to (being that this nation has made them very venerable to epidemic- drug, viral, etc) and minorities being targeted for drug related crimes- are more of a reason than a simple minded analysis such as "crack is a force of nature".

You say the government didn't flood crack, cartels did. Both did and all parties including low life's in the hood were playing parts in the logistics of it. Even before crack, revolutionaries like Malcolm weren't talking about the "nature of heroin n sh1t" .. He was saying, "you love the people who push this sh1t to you and your children".

Point is, social movements are powerful. The BPP were so powerful that they successfully influenced causes that weren't even solely black American related issues. There is a reason they were stopped. There is a reason that Hampton was shot at such a young age, and it's gross as fck to down play the motivations behind those murders. We can go on all day and point out every flaw with every member of the BPP.. But two things are more important:
Their mission and the reason they Had to be stopped. The fact that the mission was Always more important than the messengers.

Dope post. So many great people died in this era:

JFK
MLK
X
Fred Hampton
John Lennon
Che

And these are only the ones we know about. The world as we know it would have been FUNDAMENTALLY different had these people been allowed to live on. J. Edgar Hoover is probably the biggest humanity has ever known. The remarkable thing about Fred Hampton is that it was so BLATANT. The city of Chicago ended up paying a $1.85M settlement back in the 70s, probably the equivalent of $10M today. They would rather pay that much money rather than let that dude live White azz Weather Underground was bombin' nikkaz in retaliation, and Jesse Jackson was doing eulogies

 

[profound]

how u know?

The Assassination of Fred Hampton (2010).pdf

 

[zerozero]

Dope post. So many great people died in this era:

JFK
MLK
X
Fred Hampton
John Lennon
Che

And these are only the ones we know about. The world as we know it would have been FUNDAMENTALLY different had these people been allowed to live on.

even if RFK was around. Maybe not "the world" but american politics might certainly have turned out differently in the next few decades

 

[cheek100]

The Assassination of Fred Hampton (2010).pdf

very nice.. will read when i get home

they wont let me give reps
if i could i would breh breh

 

[OsO]

1. The government didn't flood coke anywhere you moron. Drug cartels did. The government just partnered with them to reap proceeds to fund their illegal operations

Him; Huey, Angela Davis, and Bobby Seale were the embodiment of "real nikkas".

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

These are all fair reasonable points. Can't say I disagree with anything you said. I'd also point out that the BPP fizzled out for a variety reasons and it wasn't as simple as "the government destroyed them" like some people on this board would say. It was government sabotage through infiltration, illegal entrapment, assassinations, etc., leadership rifts in terms of their positions as to whether they would take a militant revolutionary approach or focusing more on grassroots politics, lack of strong central leadership, turning s blind eye to criminal and counterproductive actions within the party, and the changing times and political zeitgeist of the nation and people.

All in all, they essentially had the right ideas at their core, community policing, grassroots political change, education, self-defense, pushing for social equality, nutrition, getting rid of drugs. And they lasted from the late 60s up to the 80s before they fizzled out despite being having war waged against them by the FBI. That's a pretty good run for a left wing revolutionary social movement in this country. And we all be better served if we got back to some of those core principles and actions while avoiding their mistakes.

All the leaders were in their early 20's, uneducated, and driven by their passion BUT they were headed in the right direction. They were the role models urban communities so desperately needed to relate to. This is something that is missing today and we cannot go back to those core principles because of the repercussion from politicians or police. This is why when COINTELPRO was created, the sense of dignity for black people was lost.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

White people used coke and other drugs. Crack was mainly flooded into the inner cities.. And we are less than 15%. You can't say most crack users were white and disregard population disparities, that make the impact on the black community x3 that of other communities. Also, because it was targeted, sold, distributed, and policed all in the inner cities.. you can't ignore the physical, physiological, and cultural effects it had on the inner cities.

Again, this is why HL isn't shyt. Too many posters lack rudimentary logic and can't follow a simple line of reasoning. Who said that the crack epidemic did not disproportionately damage the black community? I simply said that the Black Panthers could not have stopped the crack epidemic. You're arguing against a strawman.

I pointed out that the overwhelming majority of crack users are white to highlight that is one of the myriad of reasons why the claim that the BPP would've stopped the crack epidemic is asinine. Most crack users are white and thus the BPP's influence wouldn't apply to them. Follow the conversation, jesus.

EVERY TIME people are on here talking about urban sh1t you are way off base (no pun intended)

Okay Mr. "crack is much bigger problem today than it was in 1987." You're way off base whenever you talk about anything, but go on....

The way you responded to the first guy, and the next guy, is indicative of some of the reasons "why HL aint shyt." http://www.the-coli.com/higher-lear...y-never-even-bother-respond.html#.UMC8s2ek31M

HL ain't shyt because of posters who lack logic and facts in their arguments.

Anyway there are socioeconomic reasons for the rapid spread of crack in the black community. Also, there are cultural and basically evil reasons why it was there in the first place. Crack's addictiveness, combined with minorities being targeted as the people to flood crack to (being that this nation has made them very venerable to epidemic- drug, viral, etc) and minorities being targeted for drug related crimes- are more of a reason than a simple minded analysis such as "crack is a force of nature".

You say the government didn't flood crack, cartels did.

You're right about socioeconomic reasons involved in the rapid spread of crack in the black community, but the only simple-minded analysis here is your ridiculous, all-too-often bullshyt conspiratorial claim of the government selling crack and targeting black people for some Machiavellian reason.

First of all, what is up this "flooded the streets" with crack shyt? You do know crack is just cocaine cooked with baking soda right? Crack was just an innovation in the method of using cocaine. You act like it came across the water already in rock form. The practice of cooking crack started in the Carribean and Central American before the U.S. got hip to it. Cocaine was already flooding America. Eventually the practice of rocking it up to make a cheaper form with a shorter, more intense high caught on.

Drug cartels had been supplying coke in the U. S. The government favored certain cartels over others and allowed some dealers to work freely without having to worry about prosecution and partnered with them to fund their black operations like funding the contras in Nicaragua. But the didn't create the supply or demand for crack. They did engage in corruption when it came to drug trafficking, enforce an unjust and wrong-headed "War on Drugs" which disproportionately oppressing black people, and help to create the socioeconomic conditions that helped the crack epidemic to flourish. But saying the government sold people crack, or the government is responsible for crack epidemic is like blaming the government for people getting fat from buying junk food from Wal-Mart because they give them tax loopholes. You can be in the dark and just string together phenomena to create an illogical leap of crack epidemic + government dealing with cartels = the government sold crack to black people into baseless conspiracy land, but you won't make any sense and you would just be copping out to lazy, unsubstantiated rationalization of a complex crisis of public health and economic deprivation via boogeymen and reinforcement of a helpless mentality, but whatever.

Point is, social movements are powerful. The BPP were so powerful that they successfully influenced causes that weren't even solely black American related issues. There is a reason they were stopped. There is a reason that Hampton was shot at such a young age, and it's gross as fck to down play the motivations behind those murders. We can go on all day and point out every flaw with every member of the BPP.. But two things are more important:
Their mission and the reason they Had to be stopped. The fact that the mission was Always more important than the messengers.

That's all nice and everything, I don't disagree and I'm pro-BPP. But the BPP, many of whom including their co-founder and most iconic leader were drug addicts and drug sellers themselves could not have prevented the nationwide public health and socioeconomically-crippling scourge that was the crack epidemic and that claim was one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board.

Stop looking at the floor. Look in my eyes when I'm talking to you.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Wayyyyyy too soon

He's a murderer and orphaned his daughter by killing himself, fukk that nikka....

But RIP to the great Fred Hampton, dare to struggle dare to win dare not struggle goddamn it you don't deserve to win.

 

[Blackking]

Again, this is why HL isn't shyt. Too many posters lack rudimentary logic and can't follow a simple line of reasoning. Who said that the crack epidemic did not disproportionately damage the black community? I simply said that the Black Panthers could not have stopped the crack epidemic. You're arguing against a strawman.

I pointed out that the overwhelming majority of crack users are white to highlight that is one of the myriad of reasons why the claim that the BPP would've stopped the crack epidemic is asinine. Most crack users are white and thus the BPP's influence wouldn't apply to them. Follow the conversation, jesus.



Okay Mr. "crack is much bigger problem today than it was in 1987." You're way off base whenever you talk about anything, but go on....



HL ain't shyt because of posters who lack logic and facts in their arguments.


You're right about socioeconomic reasons involved in the rapid spread of crack in the black community, but the only simple-minded analysis here is your ridiculous, all-too-often bullshyt conspiratorial claim of the government selling crack and targeting black people for some Machiavellian reason.

First of all, what is up this "flooded the streets" with crack shyt? You do know crack is just cocaine cooked with baking soda right? Crack was just an innovation in the method of using cocaine. You act like it came across the water already in rock form. The practice of cooking crack started in the Carribean and Central American before the U.S. got hip to it. Cocaine was already flooding America. Eventually the practice of rocking it up to make a cheaper form with a shorter, more intense high caught on.

Drug cartels had been supplying coke in the U. S. The government favored certain cartels over others and allowed some dealers to work freely without having to worry about prosecution and partnered with them to fund their black operations like funding the contras in Nicaragua. But the didn't create the supply or demand for crack. Saying the government sold people crack, or the government is responsible for crack epidemic is like blaming the government for people getting fat from buying junk food from Wal-Mart because they give them tax loopholes. You can be in the dark and just string together phenomena to create an illogical leap of crack epidemic + government dealing with cartels = the government sold crack to black people into baseless conspiracy land, but you won't make any sense and you would just be copping out to lazy, unsubstantiated rationalization of a complex crisis of public health and economic deprivation via boogeymen and reinforcement of a helpless mentality, but whatever.




That's all nice and everything, I don't disagree and I'm pro-BPP. But the BPP, many of whom including their co-founder and most iconic leader were drug addicts and drug sellers themselves could not have prevented the nationwide public health and socioeconomically-crippling scourge that was the crack epidemic and that claim was one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board.
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Man
He said the era. By Era he wasn't only speaking of cracks presence or it's mostly white users. And we are speaking of it's affects on the black community.
And IDC that you googled or listened to rap music talking about drugs or whatever..... I mean, I'm not proud, but I participated in the dealing of poison as a youth with that substance and others.., I've seen streets (blocks) get ruined in only 3 years. Hard drugs and the cultural affects of the epidemic destroys the urban areas then and now.. Crakers come to the hood to get it.. Police come to the hood to arrest those who sell it and the affects are still felt today. Groups like the BPP, and the real leaders that were systematically eliminated are a huge reason for the Era. That was part of the reason they were eliminated. They weren't just shot and imprisoned for the fck of it.

You are foolish. Bringing up flaws of certain leaders doesn't make your dumb ass post valid. It just make it clear that you don't have an understanding of the situation as usual.

However, you should pay attention. I said the government, cartels, and others all played a part in the logistics. No boogeyman conspiracy just facts.
And it's disgusting how you down play the governments role in the epidemic. Just disgusting. You're fcking disgusting.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Man
He said the era. By Era he wasn't only speaking of cracks presence or it's mostly white users. And we are speaking of it's affects on the black community.

He didn't mean the epidemic, but he meant the era? Whatever. But anyway, he's wrong. People did drugs during the BPP's era, including many of them. People did drugs after their era. You guys sound ridiculous and comical.

And IDC that you googled or listened to rap music talking about drugs or whatever

My life has been touched personally by crack addiction and other drug addictions, so kindly the shut the fukk up.

..... I mean, I'm not proud, but I participated in the dealing of poison as a youth with that substance and others.., I've seen streets (blocks) get ruined in only 3 years. Hard drugs and the cultural affects of the epidemic destroys the urban areas then and now.. Crakers come to the hood to get it.. Police come to the hood to arrest those who sell it and the affects are still felt today.

Oh really? Thank you for that lesson. I never knew any of that. You tend to ramble about personal anecdotes that have zero to do with the discussion. Go talk to Dr. Phil or something. I know you're desperate to get your hood pass stamped online, but I don't think you sold crack or not for any substantial period of time anyway because you're obviously soft and wouldn't last at it, but even if you did, I don't care. Please stop wasting my time with these nostalgic lamentations about your life. I'm not interested.

Groups like the BPP, and the real leaders that were systematically eliminated are a huge reason for the Era. That was part of the reason they were eliminated. They weren't just shot and imprisoned for the fck of it.

I have no idea why you're still repeating a bunch of things I already said I agree with.

You are foolish. Bring up flaws of certain leaders doesn't make your dumb ass post valid. It just make it clear that you have an understanding of the situation as usual.

However, you should pay attention. I said the government, cartels, and others all played a part in the logistics. No boogeyman conspiracy just facts.

No, you said the government sold crack and specifically targeted the black community. I'm telling you that's an oversimplification that obfuscates the truth.

And it's disgusting how you down play the governments role in the epidemic. Just disgusting. You're fcking disgusting.

I didn't downplay their role. You are just to stupid to understand nuance and step outside of your silly ass "blame an invisible white man for every single bad thing that happens in the world" box.

The government did not create the crack epidemic. Supply and demand for drugs did, just like it did for heroin, meth, weed, alcohol, nicotine, and every other drug. The government engages in political corruption over it and enforces unjust and wrong-headed criminal justice and health problems that relate to it. That's worthy of debate to say the least....fukk debate, action really. But you are doing a disservice to yourself by refusing to see the situation for what it really is and copping out to boogieman conspiracy bullshyt because you think raging at some symbolic, all-powerful white man in a suit makes you a "black king."

 

[Blackking]

And he's wrong. People did drugs during the BPP's era, including many of them. People did drugs after their era. You guys sound ridiculous and comical.


My life has been touched personally by crack addiction and other drug addictions, so kindly the shut the fukk up.


Oh really? Thank you for that lesson. I never knew any of that. You tend to ramble about personal anecdotes that have zero to do with the discussion. Go talk to Dr. Phil or something. I know you're desperate to get your hood pass stamped online, but I don't think you sold crack or not for any substantial period of time anyway because you're obviously soft and wouldn't last at it, but even if you did, I don't care. Please stop wasting my time with these nostalgic lamentations about your life. I'm not interested.


I have no idea why you're still repeating a bunch of things I already said I agree with.






No, you said the government sold crack and specifically targeted the black community. I'm telling you that's an oversimplification that obfuscates the truth.



I didn't downplay their role. You are just to stupid to understand nuance and step outside of your silly ass "blame an invisible white man for every single bad thing that happens in the world" box.

The government did not create the crack epidemic. Supply and demand for drugs did, just like it did for heroin, meth, weed, alcohol, nicotine, and every other drug. The government engages in political corruption over it and enforces unjust and wrong-headed criminal justice and health problems that relate to it. That's worthy of debate to say the least....fukk debate, action really. But you are doing a disservice to yourself by refusing to see the situation for what it really is and copping out to boogieman conspiracy bullshyt because you think raging at some symbolic, all-powerful white man in a suit makes you a "black king."

I don't want a hood pass, whatever that is.. probably some lame sh1t that lames like you want to acquire.

And stating the facts of the situation doesn't make those facts conspiracy or rage against powerful white man.. it's just saying what happened and how it possibly would have been different it it were not for the systematic destruction of anything positive in the black community. We know the breaking up of groups, assassinations, allowance of products reaching urban areas, and mass imprisonments happened. We know that some men and women were especially targeted for their potential to affect things in the opposite direction. But, on the HL we are going to first point out each flaw of every leader that's mentioned, then we are going to down play the governments role in it and call the situation that actually happened a conspiracy.

I don't need to rage. I don't need to prove anything. I really wish the sh1t never happened and we weren't in a situation today that is going to take extensive work to turn around.

And I don't care about how ur life was affected fakkit. fakkit.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I don't want a hood pass, whatever that is.. probably some lame sh1t that lames like you want to acquire.

And stating the facts of the situation doesn't make those facts conspiracy or rage against powerful white man.. it's just saying what happened and how it possibly would have been different it it were not for the systematic destruction of anything positive in the black community. We know the breaking up of groups, assassinations, allowance of products reaching urban areas, and mass imprisonments happened. We know that some men and women were especially targeted for their potential to affect things in the opposite direction. But, on the HL we are going to first point out each flaw of every leader that's mentioned, then we are going to down play the governments role in it and call the situation that actually happened a conspiracy.

I don't need to rage. I don't need to prove anything. I really wish the sh1t never happened and we weren't in a situation today that is going to take extensive work to turn around.

And I don't care about how ur life was affected fakkit. fakkit.

That's nice. But the crack epidemic would've still happened if the BPP were around and the government did not create the crack epidemic, supply and demand for drugs did. Save all the emotion and extra shyt.

 

[thekingsmen]

VVD needs a refresh on history.