The Assassination of Black Panther Fred Hampton, 43 years ago

[Dusty Bake Activate]

You underestimated the power of the BPP. You have no clue on how it influenced the very gangs that were created in the inner city. Now fully corrupt the gangs help the drugs continue the flow into the community.

You are getting carried away.

Just stop. I know more about the Black Panthers than you, first of all. Not everyone in the Black Panthers was Fred Hampton. Some of them were on drugs themselves, including Huey Newton obviously. It was a point of contention in the party as to whether or not they should allow lumpenproletariat folks into the party, and many of them were just regular dudes who were not totally committed to the ideals of the party.

Drugs are a force of nature. No amount of political activism is going to outright prevent drug addiction, which is a healthcare issue. Most crack addicts are not black anyway, so wtf are you talking about?

 

[thekingsmen]

Just stop. I know more about the Black Panthers than you, first of all.

Condescending tone about who you know....don't care.


Not everyone in the Black Panthers was Fred Hampton. Some of them were on drugs themselves, including Huey Newton obviously.

Undermining the things the man has done in the community by focusing only on his flaws truly shows your character here VVD. Most of the Panthers who were like the leaders were jailed or shot and killed.



It was a point of contention in the party as to whether or not they should allow lumpenproletariat folks into the party, and many of them were just regular dudes who were not totally committed to the ideals of the party.

The ones not committed were young kids who thought it was cool to hang with them or agents provocateurs. You aren't getting to the bottom line of why you think drugs would continue.


Drugs are a force of nature. No amount of political is going to stop drug addiction, which is a healthcare issue. Most crack addicts are not black anyway, so wtf are you talking about?

Drugs is a force of distraction and destruction...not nature. You obviously undermined the whole reason drugs have saturated the black community into a cesspool of violence and separation of generations. Once the Black Leaders were destroyed( killed, exiled or jailed) the community went into a slump of no hope and despair. It was easy for outsiders to come in and create tensions b.c there was no opposition.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Okay man. You're right. The Black Panthers would've prevented all those addicts, 66% of whom were white, from smoking crack. Thank for you reminding me why I generally don't respond to your posts.

 

[thekingsmen]

Okay man. You're right. The Black Panthers would've prevented all those addicts, 66% of whom were white, from smoking crack. Thank for you reminding me why I generally don't respond to your posts.

I'm glad you admitted that you are a complete moron who's lack of comprehension skills couldn't tell that the BPP was in the Black Community not the white community. It's also proven that the majority if not all of the crack epidemic in the early-mid 80's was placed( keyword: placed) in the Black Community.

Stay in your lane V. The very slow one.

 

[blackzeus]

Okay man. You're right. The Black Panthers would've prevented all those addicts, 66% of whom were white, from smoking crack. Thank for you reminding me why I generally don't respond to your posts.

Spot on buddy. Because Oliver and his cronies were flooding the streets of Santa Monica, Gold Coast and Hoboken with crack, not Oakland, Southside Chicago, and Brooklyn You need to pull a Jevon Belcher breh.

 

[the cac mamba]

You need to pull a Jevon Belcher breh.

 

[PewPew]

Spot on buddy. Because Oliver and his cronies were flooding the streets of Santa Monica, Gold Coast and Hoboken with crack, not Oakland, Southside Chicago, and Brooklyn You need to pull a Jevon Belcher breh.

Wayyyyyy too soon

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Spot on buddy. Because Oliver and his cronies were flooding the streets of Santa Monica, Gold Coast and Hoboken with crack, not Oakland, Southside Chicago, and Brooklyn You need to pull a Jevon Belcher breh.

This post is stupid on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.

1. The government didn't flood coke anywhere you moron. Drug cartels did. The government just partnered with them to reap proceeds to fund their illegal operations in Nicaragua and elsewhere. Drug dealers sold crack to drug users while the government allowed it to happen and developed a partnership for their own geopolitical strategy just like they do with legal industries. The government didn't create the supply or the demand, you smart dumb nikka.

2. That has nothing to do with my original point.

3. Most crack users are WHITE, so it's retarded to say the Black Panthers would've stopped the crack epidemic. Jimbob smoking crack in rural Arkansas doesn't even know who Bobby Seale was. Maybe you're an ignoramus brainwashed by the media into believing most crack users are black.

4. Saying the Black Panthers would've stopped the crack epidemic is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in my life. Drug addiction is a health problem. Reading Marx isn't going to cure anyone of a crippling physical addiction. Only dumb ass armchair revolutionaries of limited intelligence who have never read a book or any piece of material beyond words at the end of a youtube video about the BPP like thekingsmen would say such idiocy. And I'm pro-Panther all the way, but this is romanticization of history and Great Man Theory of comical proportions. Most people are not politically-inclined and could give a fukk about the BPP or any political activist. Only dumb e-revolutionaries who know nothing about the real world look at history through a rose-colored lens and think every black person in the 60's and 70's was some kind of politically-conscious revolutionary and drug addiction wasn't a problem in the black community before crack. Drug addiction--coke and heroin--was rampant in the black underclass during the BPP's heyday. And many of the BPP themselves were on drugs. Huey Newton himself was a drug addict. Newton's lax stance toward lumpenproletariat membership was a large part of their decline.

Some of yall say shyt that's so stupid it almost depresses me to know you exist. "The Black Panthers would've stopped the crack epidemic." This is why HL ain't shyt.

 

[newarkhiphop]

I want to to, but am not going to

 

[88m3]

Lionel Hampton?

 

[profound]

Killed him in his bed next to his pregnant wife.

they took her out of the room before they killed him.

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

This post is stupid on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.

1. The government didn't flood coke anywhere you moron. Drug cartels did. The government just partnered with them to reap proceeds to fund their illegal operations in Nicaragua and elsewhere. Drug dealers sold crack to drug users while the government allowed it to happen and developed a partnership for their own geopolitical strategy just like they do with legal industries. The government didn't create the supply or the demand, you smart dumb nikka.

2. That has nothing to do with my original point.

3. Most crack users are WHITE, so it's retarded to say the Black Panthers would've stopped the crack epidemic. Jimbob smoking crack in rural Arkansas doesn't even know who Bobby Seale was. Maybe you're an ignoramus brainwashed by the media into believing most crack users are black.

4. Saying the Black Panthers would've stopped the crack epidemic is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in my life. Drug addiction is a health problem. Reading Marx isn't going to cure anyone of a crippling physical addiction. Only dumb ass armchair revolutionaries of limited intelligence who have never read a book or any piece of material beyond words at the end of a youtube video about the BPP like thekingsmen would say such idiocy. And I'm pro-Panther all the way, but this is romanticization of history and Great Man Theory of comical proportions. Most people are not politically-inclined and could give a fukk about the BPP or any political activist. Only dumb e-revolutionaries who know nothing about the real world look at history through a rose-colored lens and think every black person in the 60's and 70's was some kind of politically-conscious revolutionary and drug addiction wasn't a problem in the black community before crack. Drug addiction--coke and heroin--was rampant in the black underclass during the BPP's heyday. And many of the BPP themselves were on drugs. Huey Newton himself was a drug addict. Newton's lax stance toward lumpenproletariat membership was a large part of their decline.

Some of yall say shyt that's so stupid it almost depresses me to know you exist. "The Black Panthers would've stopped the crack epidemic." This is why HL ain't shyt.

What Black Panthers identified and wanted to resolve was to stop drug addiction and the large influence it had in the black neighborhoods. You're right, the epidemic would of been rampant with or without the BPP, but what I see would of been different is the effect it had on the community. Sure, it is a health problem, but more importantly, it is a distraction from the opportunities that was presented by BPP for the people living in the area.

The addiction is not solely the problem, it's the revolving cycle where the supply and demand stays constant in these urban areas. The problems today with criminality are direct consequences of the epidemic in the 70's/80's. BPP valued education, sense of brotherhood and companionship, and awareness, key values that have been diminished after the destruction of black empowerment groups.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

What Black Panthers identified and wanted to resolve was to stop drug addiction and the large influence it had in the black neighborhoods. You're right, the epidemic would of been rampant with or without the BPP, but what I see would of been different is the effect it had on the community. Sure, it is a health problem, but more importantly, it is a distraction from the opportunities that was presented by BPP for the people living in the area.

The addiction is not solely the problem, it's the revolving cycle where the supply and demand stays constant in these urban areas. The problems today with criminality are direct consequences of the epidemic in the 70's/80's. BPP valued education, sense of brotherhood and companionship, and awareness, key values that have been diminished after the destruction of black empowerment groups.

These are all fair reasonable points. Can't say I disagree with anything you said. I'd also point out that the BPP fizzled out for a variety reasons and it wasn't as simple as "the government destroyed them" like some people on this board would say. It was government sabotage through infiltration, illegal entrapment, assassinations, etc., leadership rifts in terms of their positions as to whether they would take a militant revolutionary approach or focusing more on grassroots politics, lack of strong central leadership, turning s blind eye to criminal and counterproductive actions within the party, and the changing times and political zeitgeist of the nation and people.

All in all, they essentially had the right ideas at their core, community policing, grassroots political change, education, self-defense, pushing for social equality, nutrition, getting rid of drugs. And they lasted from the late 60s up to the 80s before they fizzled out despite being having war waged against them by the FBI. That's a pretty good run for a left wing revolutionary social movement in this country. And we all be better served if we got back to some of those core principles and actions while avoiding their mistakes.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Fred the GOAT
Him; Huey, Angela Davis, and Bobby Seale were the embodiment of "real nikkas".
W/ that said, anyone think if Fred survived, he would have eventually become the leader of the BPP? He was charismatic, and wasn't he a better speaker than Huey?

 

[zerozero]

All in all, they essentially had the right ideas at their core, community policing, grassroots political change, education, self-defense, pushing for social equality, nutrition, getting rid of drugs. And they lasted from the late 60s up to the 80s before they fizzled out despite being having war waged against them by the FBI. That's a pretty good run for a left wing revolutionary social movement in this country. And we all be better served if we got back to some of those core principles and actions while avoiding their mistakes.

I think if the pre-BPP leaders and organzations from the 60s hadn't been disrupted and killed maybe these guys wouldn't have lurched into full blown armed Maoist types anyway. It's a bit of a downward slope from the 60s, 70s, to the 80s where it's all gone

not to mention that there were good organizations earlier in the century that could have done a lot of good if they'd lasted longer, e.g. the Garveyite stuff