The American Problems and Solutions in Regards to Public Safety and Society at Large

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In light of the recent school shooting, I've re-ignited my thoughts regarding possible solutions with people becoming recluses, unstable and threats at large to society.

Yes, this shooter was 18 and no longer minor and details regarding their background is sparse at the moment.

However, I think we can agree in large part that American youth are having problems transitioning into well adjusted members of society. While this has always been a difficult journey for Americans, I believe it has been made even more difficult off the heels of Covid lockdowns in addition to a more volatile political/cultural divide amongst adults, many of which are responsible for raising these aforementioned youths.

This is coming off a tangential discussion with @Mowgli In the shooting thread in TLR. If you are interested for further context I'd suggest checking in there in some of the more recent pages.

I am trying to tackle this problem in a way that avoids touching the 2nd amendment at all. I do believe in gun rights reform and believe that a truly civilized society shouldnt really have the need for guns, particularly at the level that the United States currently has them. I also believe that trying to solve the problems of mental instability leading to an unharmonious living condition for many is not going to be solved by gun reform because at the moment, it doesnt appear that the right wing of this country is willing to pass legislation of that nature. Gun control may reduce the occurrence of gun violence but it doesnt solve the underlying issues causing unstable individuals to act violently towards innocent civilians.

I think many of the American youth is on the internet too much. Many Americans in general are on the internet too much which has lead to desensitization to the well beings of others and reality at large as well as as a polarization of beliefs leading to unrest.

We can also largely agree that many of the problems people face come from their living situations and things they are exposed to that they are not capable of handling.

While it is already a problem, I think it will become even more of a problem when our current youth begin to gain more and more abilities to act on their own volition destructively because they have not had the proper foundation laid down. At least with many of us, we lived a portion of our lives without the internet, outdoors in our communities and have a level of social skills that allow us to discern what's real and what's not.

One idea that may be palatable to both sides is to limit internet usage of minors to approved facilities with heavy censorship that forces them to use it in productive manners and shields them from toxicity that they ingrain in themselves.

Another idea would be to offer stipends to families that do volunteer community hours as a unit to encourage social skills, exposure to the "real world" and a sense of caring for others.

One more would be to have dormitories constructed in public schools with staffing such as guidance counselors to monitor and enforce rules of conduct such as those used at sleepaway summer camps.

Yet another would be to require activity/sport participation which would further encourage physical as well as mental well being that many private schools employ as a part of their schooling in order to graduate.

Many of these things may help our youth to adjust into adulthood and I think something needs to be done ASAP for the kids who missed out on so much development during covid to catch up and make the quality of living for all to improve going forward.

Thoughts?
 

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Some of the back and forth begins here


Regardless of how either side politically and socially feel about the other acting in good faith in dialogue or negotiations, it's clear that both sides agree something has to be done and common ground has to be found so it's in everyones best interest to take each others position seriously on this matter, regardless of how much you vehemently disagree with it.

Even if the agreement is minor, some sort of change is necessary at this point and frankly was way before this point
 

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Before catching some sleep, I'd like to add one thing.

It's sad and unfortunate but it's true that American citizens, one way or another, are likely going to have to give up some of our rights because of this issue.

Whether it be gun ownership rights, powers of unfit parents to exhibit undue influence over impressionable kids who know no better, privacy and due process rights that allow for the FBI and NSA to have increased domain over what information is actionable and allowable in prosecution etc...the actions of a growing few in our society are probably going to cost the rest of us something in exchange for a remedy to the problem of humans failing behaviorally or otherwise having mental anguish that may result in the harm of others. :francis:
 

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In light of the recent school shooting, I've re-ignited my thoughts regarding possible solutions with people becoming recluses, unstable and threats at large to society.

Yes, this shooter was 18 and no longer minor and details regarding their background is sparse at the moment.

However, I think we can agree in large part that American youth are having problems transitioning into well adjusted members of society. While this has always been a difficult journey for Americans, I believe it has been made even more difficult off the heels of Covid lockdowns in addition to a more volatile political/cultural divide amongst adults, many of which are responsible for raising these aforementioned youths.

This is coming off a tangential discussion with @Mowgli In the shooting thread in TLR. If you are interested for further context I'd suggest checking in there in some of the more recent pages.

I am trying to tackle this problem in a way that avoids touching the 2nd amendment at all. I do believe in gun rights reform and believe that a truly civilized society shouldnt really have the need for guns, particularly at the level that the United States currently has them. I also believe that trying to solve the problems of mental instability leading to an unharmonious living condition for many is not going to be solved by gun reform because at the moment, it doesnt appear that the right wing of this country is willing to pass legislation of that nature. Gun control may reduce the occurrence of gun violence but it doesnt solve the underlying issues causing unstable individuals to act violently towards innocent civilians.

I think many of the American youth is on the internet too much. Many Americans in general are on the internet too much which has lead to desensitization to the well beings of others and reality at large as well as as a polarization of beliefs leading to unrest.

We can also largely agree that many of the problems people face come from their living situations and things they are exposed to that they are not capable of handling.

While it is already a problem, I think it will become even more of a problem when our current youth begin to gain more and more abilities to act on their own volition destructively because they have not had the proper foundation laid down. At least with many of us, we lived a portion of our lives without the internet, outdoors in our communities and have a level of social skills that allow us to discern what's real and what's not.

One idea that may be palatable to both sides is to limit internet usage of minors to approved facilities with heavy censorship that forces them to use it in productive manners and shields them from toxicity that they ingrain in themselves.

Another idea would be to offer stipends to families that do volunteer community hours as a unit to encourage social skills, exposure to the "real world" and a sense of caring for others.

One more would be to have dormitories constructed in public schools with staffing such as guidance counselors to monitor and enforce rules of conduct such as those used at sleepaway summer camps.

Yet another would be to require activity/sport participation which would further encourage physical as well as mental well being that many private schools employ as a part of their schooling in order to graduate.

Many of these things may help our youth to adjust into adulthood and I think something needs to be done ASAP for the kids who missed out on so much development during covid to catch up and make the quality of living for all to improve going forward.

Thoughts?
If the foundation isn't reality, it's not a good start, can't really go forward.

Limit internet usage... "One idea that may be palatable to both sides" I don't think it's palatable to any side. That's up to the parents to decide internet usage for their kids.

Require activity/sport. You mean just in schools? I went to 3 different high schools. 2 had PE that you had to take, 1 did not. I think have options for kids but will lean to letting parents/kids decide.

Don't understand the dorms in school stuff.

Really anti-freedom/none of your business type stuff.
 
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American culture is rotten.
There’s no law or politician that can fix it.
I have to agree.

And the discourse around this topic is evidence enough, the culture's belief that their is some inalienable right to own devices of destruction. And I say that honestly as a gun owner who lives in TX.
 

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How would gun control have stopped this kid ? Looks like the guns are legally owned

Seems to me the problem isn't gun control its people control....

Clearly the laws and policies for those with mental illness are the elephant in the room.that everyone wants to ignore and instead focus on their pet issue to advance it.
 

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We’re becoming increasingly isolated through non-stop faux connectivity to others. So I think we need a shared sense of purpose that’s tangible and isn’t framed as a war on: drugs, terrorism, other people, etc. Violence is clearly ingrained in our society at all levels and messaging is part of the problem.

And we need to ratchet down the violence at all levels, without going to the extremes of banning speech and entertainment. None of these forms of media are individually responsible for where we are, however, video games, music, social media/ forums, broadcast television, and video streaming services all are contributing on the margins*.

I’d like to see a voluntary reduction in the amount of violent content that America produces. Everything isn’t art. And self censoring isn’t censorship. Obviously this is wishful thinking since the only way to make corporations do anything that goes against their profit motives is through coercion.




*Our political climate and perpetual state of war which stem from white supremacy are much larger factors. I do not believe this will change anytime soon, so I’m limiting this to what we can all directly do as consumers and producers of content.
 

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How would gun control have stopped this kid ? Looks like the guns are legally owned

Seems to me the problem isn't gun control its people control....

Clearly the laws and policies for those with mental illness are the elephant in the room.that everyone wants to ignore and instead focus on their pet issue to advance it.
If the age was 21 instead of 18. You can’t legally buy alcohol until 21 but this 18 year bought 2 AR-15s. It used to be 21 for handguns in Texas but Abbott lowered it to 18, he wasn’t happy Texas was #2 in guns, tweeted out to buy more guns
 

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How would gun control have stopped this kid ? Looks like the guns are legally owned

Seems to me the problem isn't gun control its people control....

Clearly the laws and policies for those with mental illness are the elephant in the room.that everyone wants to ignore and instead focus on their pet issue to advance it.

You all have to stop with this, its lazy.

Guns give people perceived power based on the general fear and capabilities of them, so when there are less of them or none available, the "mentally ill" as you describe them, are left to primarily hurt themselves opposed to others. The vast majority of your mass shooters are in no way physically intimidating so without their "super power" they'd lack the courage to attack others.

It's the same reason why teenagers and young adults today are so prone and interested in violence, they have a safety net in a firearms.
 
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In light of the recent school shooting, I've re-ignited my thoughts regarding possible solutions with people becoming recluses, unstable and threats at large to society.

Yes, this shooter was 18 and no longer minor and details regarding their background is sparse at the moment.

However, I think we can agree in large part that American youth are having problems transitioning into well adjusted members of society. While this has always been a difficult journey for Americans, I believe it has been made even more difficult off the heels of Covid lockdowns in addition to a more volatile political/cultural divide amongst adults, many of which are responsible for raising these aforementioned youths.

This is coming off a tangential discussion with @Mowgli In the shooting thread in TLR. If you are interested for further context I'd suggest checking in there in some of the more recent pages.

I am trying to tackle this problem in a way that avoids touching the 2nd amendment at all. I do believe in gun rights reform and believe that a truly civilized society shouldnt really have the need for guns, particularly at the level that the United States currently has them. I also believe that trying to solve the problems of mental instability leading to an unharmonious living condition for many is not going to be solved by gun reform because at the moment, it doesnt appear that the right wing of this country is willing to pass legislation of that nature. Gun control may reduce the occurrence of gun violence but it doesnt solve the underlying issues causing unstable individuals to act violently towards innocent civilians.

I think many of the American youth is on the internet too much. Many Americans in general are on the internet too much which has lead to desensitization to the well beings of others and reality at large as well as as a polarization of beliefs leading to unrest.

We can also largely agree that many of the problems people face come from their living situations and things they are exposed to that they are not capable of handling.

While it is already a problem, I think it will become even more of a problem when our current youth begin to gain more and more abilities to act on their own volition destructively because they have not had the proper foundation laid down. At least with many of us, we lived a portion of our lives without the internet, outdoors in our communities and have a level of social skills that allow us to discern what's real and what's not.

One idea that may be palatable to both sides is to limit internet usage of minors to approved facilities with heavy censorship that forces them to use it in productive manners and shields them from toxicity that they ingrain in themselves.

Another idea would be to offer stipends to families that do volunteer community hours as a unit to encourage social skills, exposure to the "real world" and a sense of caring for others.

One more would be to have dormitories constructed in public schools with staffing such as guidance counselors to monitor and enforce rules of conduct such as those used at sleepaway summer camps.

Yet another would be to require activity/sport participation which would further encourage physical as well as mental well being that many private schools employ as a part of their schooling in order to graduate.

Many of these things may help our youth to adjust into adulthood and I think something needs to be done ASAP for the kids who missed out on so much development during covid to catch up and make the quality of living for all to improve going forward.

Thoughts?
Why would you discuss anything with a complete lunatic and known bad faith actor like mowgli? His opinions are worth about as much as my morning shyt
 
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How would gun control have stopped this kid ? Looks like the guns are legally owned

Seems to me the problem isn't gun control its people control....

Clearly the laws and policies for those with mental illness are the elephant in the room.that everyone wants to ignore and instead focus on their pet issue to advance it.
“How would something the rest of the world has instituted work here” - a very intelligent person

Well for one thing if Texas had better gun laws this 18 year old wouldn’t have had one in the first place. He bought those AR’s legally when he turned 18. Guess which state just so happened to lower the age limit on gun purchases last year to make guns “easier to access”

 
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Buyback programs, raising the age of purchases to 21, annual mental stability checks, mandatory government level background checks etc. Anyone saying none of these things work can literally go fukk themselves. If it’s not worth it to even attempt saving childrens lives then your life ain’t worth protecting or saving either mother fukker.

I’m so tired of you fukking losers who think it’s somehow government overreach to make sure only the right people have guns and that not everyone should own one. Stupid sons of bytches how many people have to fukking die? What’s the number for people cosplay soldier on the weekend?
 

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Some of the back and forth begins here


Regardless of how either side politically and socially feel about the other acting in good faith in dialogue or negotiations, it's clear that both sides agree something has to be done and common ground has to be found so it's in everyones best interest to take each others position seriously on this matter, regardless of how much you vehemently disagree with it.

Even if the agreement is minor, some sort of change is necessary at this point and frankly was way before this point

discussing anything with Mowgli outside of "what time you wanna play tekken?" is a pointless and inevitably stupid endeavor at this point.

Why would you discuss anything with a complete lunatic and known bad faith actor like mowgli? His opinions are worth about as much as my morning shyt
 
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