The Afghanistan - Taliban Conflict
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It is.
Stop believing everything China says.
Pay attention to what they DO.
China was happier when the USA was on the ground.
- Taliban won’t readily cut ties with anti-China ETIM
- Taliban tells China what it wants to hear on ETIM
- Boosted by China ties, Taliban now faces tough call on ETIM crackdown
- The East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM)
- ETIM is a big threat as it keeps sending members to China to plot terrorist attacks: Ministry of Public Security - Global Times
- Uighur Diaspora Hails Removal of ETIM From US Terror List (NOW WHY WOULD THE USA REMOVE a ISLAMIC TERROR GROUP FROM A WATCH LIST IN 2020?
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Blah blah the Chinese will cut a deal with them just like every other terrible autocratic backwards regime they’ve worked with. You act like some insignificant insurgent group is going to effect that
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Damn.. did 7 tours in Afghanistan.. crazy to see shyt like this
FukkaPaidEmail
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It’s more troops there now than what was pulled out a couple days ago
WHAT DEAL???Blah blah the Chinese will cut a deal with them just like every other terrible autocratic backwards regime they’ve worked with. You act like some insignificant insurgent group is going to effect that
You're not getting it.
Stop letting this anti-american shyt get to you.
Other countries have interests AND preferences.
Terror attacks against chinese interests have increased in the last decade and China NEVER had skin in the game outside of soft power business deals. They didn't have boots on the ground driving their actual interests.
They NOW have to realize that shyt with actual force and PREFERRED Americans on the front line. They do the same thing in Africa. USA secures the hard frontline but China comes in with bags of money.
shyt's different when they gotta use their own guns now.
China's calculus just got upended in Afghanistan. They didn't think we'd pull out this way. They're PISSED.
Again, stop paying attention to what China says. Pay attention to WHAT THEY DO!
This article is 2 weeks ago:
China Criticized the Afghan War. Now It Worries About the Withdrawal.
China Criticized the Afghan War. Now It Worries About the Withdrawal.
Steven Lee Myers
9-11 minutes
An explosion that killed Chinese workers in Pakistan has stirred fears in Beijing of regional instability.
Credit...Jim Huylebroek for The New York Times
Published July 15, 2021Updated July 28, 2021
The Chinese government rarely passes up a chance to accuse the United States of military adventurism and hegemony. In the case of Afghanistan, though, it has changed its tone, warning that Washington now bears the responsibility for the hasty end to its two-decade war there.
“The United States, which created the Afghan issue in the first place, should act responsibly to ensure a smooth transition in Afghanistan,” China’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, said this month at a forum in Beijing. “It should not simply shift the burden onto others and withdraw from the country with the mess left behind unattended.”
While China has not called on President Biden to reverse the military withdrawal he ordered, statements by senior officials made it clear that they would blame the United States for any insecurity that spreads in the region.
China’s leader, Xi Jinping, and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia — neither of them close friends of the American president — raised concerns about the withdrawal in a call the two leaders had in late June, citing “the increasingly complicated and severe security situation,” according to the state news agency Xinhua.
An explosion and vehicle crash that killed nine Chinese workers in Pakistan on Wednesday has punctuated China’s fears of regional instability in the wake of the final American military withdrawal from Afghanistan and the chaos that is now spreading across the country.
China was quick to describe the explosion as an act of terrorism. Pakistan later described it as an accident, but the details remain murky, and China has previously found itself the target of threats from those opposed to its growing economic and diplomatic influence in the region.
Pakistan’s information minister, Fawad Chaudhry, said on Thursday that investigators had found traces of explosives, presumably on the bus carrying the Chinese workers. “Terrorism cannot be ruled out,” he wrote on Twitter.
Credit...Nicolas Asfouri/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
“They’re certainly feeling nervous,” said Barnett R. Rubin, a former State Department official and United Nations adviser on Afghanistan who is a senior fellow at New York University’s Center on International Cooperation.
With only a residual military contingent left to protect the American Embassy in Kabul, the Taliban have been steadily expanding their political control as Afghan government forces crumble or retreat. This month, Taliban forces seized Badakhshan, the province that reaches the mountainous Chinese border through the Wakhan Corridor.
While that narrow territory poses little direct security threat, China fears that the breakdown of order in Afghanistan could spill out of the country to other neighbors, including Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and Pakistan.
Mr. Wang is traveling through Central Asia this week with the Afghan situation high on the agenda.
“We don’t want to see a turbulent country around us that becomes such a soil for terrorist activities,” said Li Wei, an analyst at the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, a research organization in Beijing affiliated with the Ministry of State Security.
The Taliban, when they governed Afghanistan before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, gave haven to some Uyghur fighters resisting Chinese rule in Xinjiang, the predominantly Muslim province in western China that the fighters call East Turkestan.
A bus carrying dozens of construction workers fell into a ravine after a gas leak in the vehicle caused an explosion. The crash killed at least 12 people including nine Chinese, Pakistani officials said.CreditCredit...Rescue 1122, via EPA, via Shutterstock
Twenty-two of those fighters ended up in American custody in the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, only to be released slowly to several other countries, including Albania, Slovakia, Bermuda and Palau. Uyghur militants have also fought in Syria’s civil war, and there are reports that some have returned to Afghanistan.
“If there’s more disorder in Afghanistan, the Uyghurs could get a foothold again, or a bigger one,” Mr. Rubin said.
After the Sept. 11 attacks, the United States designated the East Turkestan Islamic Movement as a terrorist organization, in part to cultivate China’s support for American efforts in the “war on terror.” The Trump administration revoked the designation last year, saying that there was no evidence that the group continued to carry out attacks. China has cited the threat of Uyghur extremism as a reason for its mass detention camps in Xinjiang.
According to the United Nations, the Uyghur group once maintained links to Al Qaeda and organized attacks on targets inside and outside of China, including ones in Xinjiang that killed 140 people in 1998.
Liu Yunfeng, the director of the Counter-Terrorism Bureau of the Ministry of Public Security, said this week at a news conference that while there had been no major terrorist attack in China in the past four years, the East Turkestan Islamic Movement continued to promote terrorism from abroad and train fighters “to sneak into our territory.”
“We still need to maintain a high degree of vigilance,” he said, according to a transcript posted by the ministry.
Credit...Gilles Sabrié for The New York Times
With the American withdrawal on the horizon, China has sought to keep channels open to both the Taliban and Afghan forces, appealing for a peaceful resolution to decades of conflict that predated the American intervention. It has been a delicate diplomatic balance.
China has praised the current Afghan government, including what it says are efforts to fight the East Turkestan militants. It also played host to a delegation of Taliban leaders in 2019. While China has said little about the nature of its discussions with the group, it has muted its criticism as the American-led military presence winds down.
In recent statements, Taliban representatives have also sought to assuage China’s concerns about its past support for enemies of Chinese rule, saying a restored Taliban government would pose no threat to the country. In fact, it would welcome Chinese investments.
As the Taliban have steadily gained ground, China has left its diplomatic options open. The Global Times, a Communist Party newspaper that generally reflects the government’s hawkish side, suggested this week that fears about the collapse of the current Afghan government were overstated.
“With the evolving Afghanistan situation, the Taliban is quietly transforming itself to improve its international image, easing the concerns of and befriending neighboring countries,” the newspaper wrote on Tuesday.
Such views also reflect China’s close relationship with Pakistan, which provided support for the Taliban leadership during the long American involvement in Afghanistan.
Credit...Erin Schaff/The New York Times
After Chinese officials initially denounced Wednesday’s deaths in Pakistan as a terrorist attack, they tempered their remarks when the Pakistani Foreign Ministry released a statement saying that the explosion that sent a truck tumbling into a ravine was caused by a mechanical malfunction.
Exactly what happened remains unclear, however. At least two Pakistani paramilitary soldiers and two other civilians died, while more than 40 people were injured. It was not clear if the soldiers were guarding the workers as they traveled to a Chinese-built hydroelectric project at Dasu, a city in the country’s rural northwest, about 100 miles from the capital, Islamabad.
China has faced terrorist threats in Pakistan before. In 2018, three suicide attackers stormed the Chinese Consulate in Karachi, killing two police officers and two civilians before being killed themselves. The group that claimed responsibility for that attack, the Baluchistan Liberation Army, attacked a luxury hotel in Gwadar a year later, saying they were targeting Chinese guests.
In April, a different group attacked a hotel in Quetta, the provincial capital of Baluchistan, only moments before China’s ambassador was scheduled to arrive. Although it was not clear if the attackers knew of the ambassador’s arrival, the group that claimed responsibility, the Pakistani Taliban, or Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, said its intended targets were “locals and foreigners” staying at the hotel.
After speaking with Pakistan’s foreign minister about the explosion on Wednesday, Mr. Wang, the foreign minister, called for greater security measures for Chinese construction projects in Pakistan, many of them being built under China’s “belt and road” initiative.
Chinese officials have offered to extend those projects to Afghanistan, but have made little progress. Previous Chinese projects there failed to live up to expectations, most prominently a copper mine concession that Chinese companies acquired in 2007.
“If it is a terrorist attack,” Mr. Wang said of the episode on Wednesday, “the perpetrators must be arrested immediately, and the perpetrators must be severely punished.”
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CONTEXT
A Watchdog Group Had Been Sounding The Warning About Afghanistan's Meltdown For Years
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By Saeed Ahmed
Posted 40 minutes ago
For those wondering how Afghanistan could fall so swiftly to the Taliban, the dozens of dispatches from a Congress-created watchdog group reflect that it didn’t: the meltdown was a slow-motion disaster years in the making.
This link will take you to every report filed by SIGAR, the Office of the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction. Congress created the agency to maintain an independent oversight on the billions of dollars the U.S. appropriated for Afghanistan’s reconstruction since 2002.
“All the signs have been there,” the head of the watchdog agency, John Sopko, told NPR on Sunday.
CQ-Roll Call, Inc Via Getty Images
John Sopko, Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, in 2015.
Sopko said his agency released multiple reports and he testified more than 50 times to sound the warning in the last decade.
“I mean, we've been shining a light on it in multiple reports going back to when I started 2012 about changing metrics, about ghosts, ghost soldiers who didn't exist, about poor logistics, about the fact that the Afghans couldn't sustain what we were giving them. So these reports have come out,” he said.
The speed with which the Taliban overtook Afghanistan “maybe is a little bit of a surprise," Sopko said. But "the fact that the ANDSF [Afghan National Defense and Security Forces] could not fight on their own should not have been a surprise to anyone."
Sopko said the final report from his agency comes out Tuesday.
It’ll lay out what the U.S. can do differently in other countries where it’s involved in relief and reconstruction.
“Well, the top-line lesson is that we have a very difficult time developing and implementing a coherent rule, a multi-agency approach to these type of problems. And we got serious problems with the way we send people over there and HR the system. We have serious problems about our procurement system. And we have serious problems of going into a country and not understanding the culture and the makeup of that country. “
Yall don't see this shyt happening in real time? 
China got PLAYED
China got PLAYED
Democrats will play this on loop
Nobody is reading that shyt nap. You’ve been wrong on every single theory you’ve advocated for. China will do what’s best for their interest in whatever region they are involved in. Plus they will feel even more so emboldened to run rough shot over disputed territory in their own backyard such as HK, the SCS, etc
It’s more troops there now than what was pulled out a couple days ago
Oh my oh my!!
Isaiah Bradley
Banned
China continues to remind the world that they need to be humbled and they don't care about anything else
Heart breaking to see those air port scenes. The desperation of those folks will hopefully remind US citizens/residents how lucky we are, tone down the fake anti-US rhetoric
How insulting is it that Biden is blaming others after campaigning on blindly reversing policies?
So I think it's naive to have faith in a possible long term CIA diabolical plan that's dependent on terrorism
Heart breaking to see those air port scenes. The desperation of those folks will hopefully remind US citizens/residents how lucky we are, tone down the fake anti-US rhetoric
How insulting is it that Biden is blaming others after campaigning on blindly reversing policies?
China doesn't give a damn about human rights and isn't concerned with pandering to well funded activist groups, thus they stand a better chance at solving any terrorist problems. Especially once they build economic relations with terrorist harboring nations/groupsIt is.
Stop believing everything China says.
Pay attention to what they DO.
China was happier when the USA was on the ground.
- Taliban won’t readily cut ties with anti-China ETIM
- Taliban tells China what it wants to hear on ETIM
- Boosted by China ties, Taliban now faces tough call on ETIM crackdown
- The East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM)
- ETIM is a big threat as it keeps sending members to China to plot terrorist attacks: Ministry of Public Security - Global Times
- Uighur Diaspora Hails Removal of ETIM From US Terror List (NOW WHY WOULD THE USA REMOVE a ISLAMIC TERROR GROUP FROM A WATCH LIST IN 2020?
So I think it's naive to have faith in a possible long term CIA diabolical plan that's dependent on terrorism
Nah, they're about to show where they stand. They wanna have it both ways with the Uiyghurs too but the Taliban about to have them by the nuts when they start backing the ETIM cause China keeps asking them to back away from the ETIM but the taliban won't.
Again, Pakistan was using the Taliban.
The Russians and Iranians housed and trained Al Qaeda.
This is nothing new bruh.
Now its China's turn to get that work.
Isaiah Bradley
Banned
No/limited terrorist attacks in Pakistan, Russia, and Iran for those reasons
So imagine when China offers Taliban waterdown but new military equipment and Dubia-lite infrastructure projects, the Taliban finna kick ETIM to the curb or atleast no public support...like countries/corporations/athletes do with Taiwan/Hong Kong/Uiyghurs
