The 2024 Baltimore Ravens thread
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No, the Ravens don't need another FA wide receiver. The solution to the receiver corps is already wearing purple and in the building.
What they need is the young guys to step up and fill their roles. If Bateman becomes the underneath possession receiver they want, Hollywood the deep threat, Duvernay the over the middle threat, they wouldn't need to bring in another receiver.
Plus, Godwin would want money the Ravens don't have.
He might end up in Ohio though
I’m hearing brownsNo, the Ravens don't need another FA wide receiver. The solution to the receiver corps is already wearing purple and in the building.
What they need is the young guys to step up and fill their roles. If Bateman becomes the underneath possession receiver they want, Hollywood the deep threat, Duvernay the over the middle threat, they wouldn't need to bring in another receiver.
Plus, Godwin would want money the Ravens don't have.
He might end up in Ohio though
Yup, but the Bengals might swoop in and be an even bigger problem for this already depleted, coming off injury secondary.
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Amari Cooper by be a FA....
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STAN JONES
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Im good on Cooper
hes gonna cost too much plus he disappears in big game
Bateman can be the same type of all around receiver Cooper is
if we spend any money it better be in the trenches
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I agree. I think Bateman can be special, we gotta let him develop. If we get our Oline straight I would be cool with just adding one or two role playing receivers if that. I like duve and proche too
Mock Draft 3.0
Pick 14
George Karlaftis - DE/OLB - Purdue
Purdue EDGE defender George Karlaftis might be the best power rusher in this year’s class. This is a prospect who exploded onto the scene during a breakout 2019 freshman season and has since pieced together another tremendous campaign for the Boilermakers in 2021. I’m most impressed with Karlaftis’ motor and close quarters combat. He does not appear to play with the ideal length and separation skills as an edge defender, but he’s become quite refined as a puncher and with his shedding techniques to help enable him to win ground and get good “knockback” at the point of attack. Karlaftis moved to the United States at the age of 13 from Greece and was a high school stand out in both football and track & field, earning back-to-back state titles in Indiana for the shot put (60 feet, 0.5 inches as a junior) along with endless football accolades. Upon arriving with Purdue, Karlaftis quickly made an impact and was named a first-team Freshman All-American in 2019. His development as a player has seen him complement the urgency he plays with and raw power with more nuanced counters, precision striking, and a strong sense and feel for running the arc with speed. I get the sense that Karlaftis isn’t quite the same reactive athlete as some of his contemporaries in this year’s class, but he’s become quite the technician at the position and offers an impressive nose for rushing the passer. Karlaftis has rushed the passer from both two and three-point stances and gets strong release from his tilted two-point stance when he’s aligned at wider angles. Amid the debate about the value of speed and flexibility versus power on the edge, Karlaftis is going to be a testament to the latter. He wins many reps with his ability to roll blockers back on their heels and reducing the angles that he needs to work with in order to disrupt timing and comfort in the backfield before transitioning to the football. But don’t think he can’t claim outside wins, too. He’s fully capable of dipping the outside track or hitting an inside swim maneuver. He may not have the best pitches in his arsenal as a pass rusher out of this year’s class, but he might have the most.
Pick 46
Kyler Gordon - CB - Washington
Covered in Mock Draft 2.0
Pick 78
JaMaree Salyer - T - Georgia
Strengths
Very versatile - has played all positions across the line
Attacks his man, playing with a wide base and the lateral agility to mirror, sustain and shuffle to help inside. Has the size, strength, and quick feet to be effective as a position run-blocker.
Has the ability to sink his hips and generate real power with strong hands. Consistently moves defenders back. Grades out extremely well in every aspect of run blocking.
Has a naturally wide base, thickly build, and good length. Long legs to cover a lot of ground with his initial kick slide. Has the quickness to set up quickly with enough lateral shuffle to mirror and mobility to get to the second level.
Has a strong leg drive and good foot speed in the pass protection
Very light on his feet and is nimble for a big man
Salyer is UGA’s best 2022 NFL draft prospect on the offensive front. He has good experience with excellent physicality
Big athlete with good bulk and a filled-out frame. Stays balanced and doesn't overextend in pass protection. Stays disciplined with good bend and leverage.
Still quite raw despite having good experience
Attacks when necessary, though he won't consistently dominate and can lose balance overextending.
Hasn't developed quite as well as his athletic talent would have led you to expect
Stops his feet after initial contact, relying on length but allowing defender to get the corner or spin inside.
Has suffered with niggling injuries.
Reviews for Salyer are all over the board where scouts have pegged him as high as the first to low as the fourth round in the 2022 NFL Draft. The low grades on him are mainly due to him being regarded as an injury risk - although none of them are serious and he's likely just been a victim of bad luck.
We see him as a low second-round pick who has sky-high athletic talent but just hasn't quite managed to achieve what we would have hoped. Still, he could very easily become a dominator at the next level if he were put it all together.
Pick 102
Bryan Cook - FS - Cincinnati
A native of Cincinnati, Bryan Cook began his college career at Howard where he played from 2017 to 2018 before transferring to the Bearcats’ program. Cook served as a backup behind an outstanding pair of safeties and patiently waited his turn to start—which came in 2021 and he fared well. Aligning as a one-high safety, split zones, in the box, and from the slot, Cook’s versatility shined in 2021 and he was among the many tone-setters for an outstanding Bearcats’ defense. His best moments come when he can key, diagnose, trigger, and play forward. He is an outstanding tackler that does well to play off contact and take precisely calculated pursuit angles. In coverage, he mostly does well to stay leveraged but he’s more of a reactive than anticipatory player. His ball production has only been modest despite showcasing good technique and timing when he has chances to make a play on the football, but his lack of anticipation skills didn’t present many opportunities to get the ball. With that said, he concedes very little in coverage. Cook could develop into a reliable starter, but 2021 was the first year of his career that he logged more than 220 snaps on the defensive side of the football and his feel for coverage is still a work in progress. Cook has the makings of a standout special teamer that offers versatility and developmental appeal at safety.
Ideal Role: Developmental split-zone safety
Scheme Fit: Any
Pick 107
Sean Rhyan - T - UCLA
POSITIVES
— Stout, thick build throughout his frame with above-average play strength.
— Shows good pop in his hands and grip strength to jolt, displace and feed defenders laterally on double-teams, plus compress, seal and pin defenders on down blocks to create lanes off his backside.
— Has the core and lower-body strength to brace, with impressive stopping power to anchor quickly against the bull rush.
— Takes solid angles up to the second level to intersect and disrupt pursuit angles of 'backers.
NEGATIVES
— Adequate athletic ability, lateral quickness and ability to redirect.
— Struggles to adjust his aiming points and connect against post-snap movement from shifty defenders, resulting in persistently lunging and getting beat clean across his face on kick-out blocks.
Pick 116
Neil Farrell Jr. - DT/DE - LSU
Strengths
Played with good leverage, even on the nose, despite average bulk. Hustle defender with a good bull rush inside that can close and get home when quarterbacks leave the pocket.
Combines strength and footwork to fill holes inside, as well. Recovers from cut blocks or falling on his way to make a tackle.
Has the ability to create a pile in the middle, even showing the ability to split the occasional double-team. However, is just as often blown off the ball due to his high pad level.
Can make the impressive chest-to-chest bear hug tackle in the hole due to his ability to wreak havoc in the backfield.
Plays with leverage at the point of attack whether inside or outside. Keeps eyes in the backfield when inside; moves linemen to either side with strong hands.
Weaknesses
Isn't able to consistently shed blocks and makes plays in the hole.
Might be limited to one-gap systems. Agility isn't a question but misses tackles when he doesn't square and break down.
Lacks closing speed and inconsistent quickness off the snap prevents him from being an elite pass rusher.
Good strength, though his marginal arm length limits his ability to grab hold of ballcarriers as they run by.
Needs to do a better job of being the aggressor and tossing blockers aside.
Pick 125
Sam Williams - DE/OLB - Ole Miss
Sam Williams is a Senior who aligns on the Edge for the Rebel offense. He is a good athlete overall particularly when moving forward but can struggle with reactive movements as a rusher. He took a major step in 2021 and taking advantage of the extra year has seemingly done wonders for his game. In the run game, he is heavy at the point of attack and can set the edge. He has improved with regards to emotional endurance and pursuit when plays are run away from him. The passing game is where he thrives. He has improved his get-off from 2020 to 2021. He is good at converting speed to power to win in the edge and is strong enough to defeat double teams when he is in 4i or 5-technique. While he has also improved with regards to counters, he still isn’t the most loose-hipped athlete on the edge and it shows in these instances. I believe he has the schematic versatility to align in a 4-3 as a DE or play OLB in a 3-4.
Ideal Role: EDGE defender
Scheme Fit: Can play in an even or odd front.
Pick 140
Luke Fortner - C - Kentucky
Kentucky offensive lineman Luke Fortner projects as a developmental player at the NFL level. Fortner served as a starting guard for the Wildcats offense over the past several seasons before transitioning to the team’s starting center in 2021. Fortner did well in this new role, showcasing the athletic ability and general functional strength needed to play the position at the next level. I do believe there’s a continued developmental curve that needs to be respected with Fortner playing in the middle. His hand timing, placement, and anchor skills were erratic in the games that I studied. But Kentucky, which implements a lot of screens into their offense, got the most out of Fortner outside the hashes and he showed a pretty savvy feel for working out in space. I like him as a late day-three player at a position that traditionally carries low value in the draft, but would not be surprised at all to see him stepping into a starting role by the end of a rookie contract. Fortner’s experience at multiple spots on the line (23 consecutive starts at right guard) opens him up for some positional value as a utility lineman as well, so I can see plenty of pathways for him making a roster.
Ideal role: Developmental center
Pick 141
Matthew Butler - DT/DE - Tennessee
Strengths
Played with good leverage, even on the nose, despite average bulk. Hustle defender with a good bull rush inside that can close and get home when quarterbacks leave the pocket.
Lower than offensive lineman on every short-yardage play. Good agility and ability to change direction for his size.
Provides some secondary interior pass rush, getting most penetration when playing three technique.
Played with lean and leverage against the run, tough for one man to move (sometimes double-teams, too).
Delivers a strong punch and uses his hands to shed blocks to make plays in the hole or outside the box. Uses lower-body strength to anchor inside.
Weaknesses
Misses tackles, even when he gets his hands on the ballcarrier. Needs to improve hand placement and technique.
Sees the ball well but is stuck on blocks when head-up; does not shed to make plays often enough.
Must improve hand use and read-and-react skills. Lacks the violent hands to shed and can be eliminated by double-team blocks.
Lacks the speed to turn the corner consistently and is too often washed out by stronghanded blockers.
Quick first step with fluid movements off the ball. Highly competitive and fierce, showing relentless effort to the pocket with a nonstop motor
Pick 193
Mario Goodrich - CB - Clemson
POSITIVES
— Plays with very good vision in zone coverage. He is able to see routes develop in front of him and has a good reaction to the ball in the air.
— He has good breaking ability and plays with a solid base and a controlled backpedal, allowing him to transition quickly.
— Shows to have good ball skills, Locates the ball well and has the ability to play it in the air.
— Strong tackler who isn't afraid to bite the ball on tackles and square up the ball carrier.
NEGATIVES
— Slightly above-average athlete with rigid movements at times. Lacks fluidity and has hip tightness when asked to flip hips.
— Heavy-footed runner who lacks a true burst, allowing receivers to create space downfield.
— Has average awareness of threats, can lose leverage and get turned around at times.
— Panics when running downfield, not as comfortable as you'd like him to be. He gets handsy at times, leading to pass interference calls
OVERALL
Mario Goodrich is a physical cornerback who primarily plays the boundary cornerback position for the Clemson defense. He likes to get his hands on the receiver to reroute and disrupt the timing of routes. Though he has shown to play from a backpedal, he more often than not plays from an open shuffle technique; which better fits his skill set. An above-average athlete who displays rigid movement at times, Goodrich struggles with hip tightness and the ability to turn and run. Although he does a good job of getting out of breaks with clean, quick transitions, he does this best when already open and with the route in front of him. A smart player, he shows the understanding of routes and combinations, especially when playing down and distance; leading him to play very aggressively when given over-the-top help. He also looks to sit on routes, which has not particularly burned him during the 2021 season. Goodrich has the ball skills needed to compete, playing through the reception point and attacking the ball in the air; especially when playing short and medium routes. He struggles with routes developing downfield, as he lacks the speed needed to keep up with those running deeper routes. When running downfield, he tends to get handsy and overly physical, which can lead to penalties
Pick 14
George Karlaftis - DE/OLB - Purdue
Purdue EDGE defender George Karlaftis might be the best power rusher in this year’s class. This is a prospect who exploded onto the scene during a breakout 2019 freshman season and has since pieced together another tremendous campaign for the Boilermakers in 2021. I’m most impressed with Karlaftis’ motor and close quarters combat. He does not appear to play with the ideal length and separation skills as an edge defender, but he’s become quite refined as a puncher and with his shedding techniques to help enable him to win ground and get good “knockback” at the point of attack. Karlaftis moved to the United States at the age of 13 from Greece and was a high school stand out in both football and track & field, earning back-to-back state titles in Indiana for the shot put (60 feet, 0.5 inches as a junior) along with endless football accolades. Upon arriving with Purdue, Karlaftis quickly made an impact and was named a first-team Freshman All-American in 2019. His development as a player has seen him complement the urgency he plays with and raw power with more nuanced counters, precision striking, and a strong sense and feel for running the arc with speed. I get the sense that Karlaftis isn’t quite the same reactive athlete as some of his contemporaries in this year’s class, but he’s become quite the technician at the position and offers an impressive nose for rushing the passer. Karlaftis has rushed the passer from both two and three-point stances and gets strong release from his tilted two-point stance when he’s aligned at wider angles. Amid the debate about the value of speed and flexibility versus power on the edge, Karlaftis is going to be a testament to the latter. He wins many reps with his ability to roll blockers back on their heels and reducing the angles that he needs to work with in order to disrupt timing and comfort in the backfield before transitioning to the football. But don’t think he can’t claim outside wins, too. He’s fully capable of dipping the outside track or hitting an inside swim maneuver. He may not have the best pitches in his arsenal as a pass rusher out of this year’s class, but he might have the most.
Pick 46
Kyler Gordon - CB - Washington
Covered in Mock Draft 2.0
Pick 78
JaMaree Salyer - T - Georgia
Strengths
Very versatile - has played all positions across the line
Attacks his man, playing with a wide base and the lateral agility to mirror, sustain and shuffle to help inside. Has the size, strength, and quick feet to be effective as a position run-blocker.
Has the ability to sink his hips and generate real power with strong hands. Consistently moves defenders back. Grades out extremely well in every aspect of run blocking.
Has a naturally wide base, thickly build, and good length. Long legs to cover a lot of ground with his initial kick slide. Has the quickness to set up quickly with enough lateral shuffle to mirror and mobility to get to the second level.
Has a strong leg drive and good foot speed in the pass protection
Very light on his feet and is nimble for a big man
Salyer is UGA’s best 2022 NFL draft prospect on the offensive front. He has good experience with excellent physicality
Big athlete with good bulk and a filled-out frame. Stays balanced and doesn't overextend in pass protection. Stays disciplined with good bend and leverage.
Still quite raw despite having good experience
Attacks when necessary, though he won't consistently dominate and can lose balance overextending.
Hasn't developed quite as well as his athletic talent would have led you to expect
Stops his feet after initial contact, relying on length but allowing defender to get the corner or spin inside.
Has suffered with niggling injuries.
Reviews for Salyer are all over the board where scouts have pegged him as high as the first to low as the fourth round in the 2022 NFL Draft. The low grades on him are mainly due to him being regarded as an injury risk - although none of them are serious and he's likely just been a victim of bad luck.
We see him as a low second-round pick who has sky-high athletic talent but just hasn't quite managed to achieve what we would have hoped. Still, he could very easily become a dominator at the next level if he were put it all together.
Pick 102
Bryan Cook - FS - Cincinnati
A native of Cincinnati, Bryan Cook began his college career at Howard where he played from 2017 to 2018 before transferring to the Bearcats’ program. Cook served as a backup behind an outstanding pair of safeties and patiently waited his turn to start—which came in 2021 and he fared well. Aligning as a one-high safety, split zones, in the box, and from the slot, Cook’s versatility shined in 2021 and he was among the many tone-setters for an outstanding Bearcats’ defense. His best moments come when he can key, diagnose, trigger, and play forward. He is an outstanding tackler that does well to play off contact and take precisely calculated pursuit angles. In coverage, he mostly does well to stay leveraged but he’s more of a reactive than anticipatory player. His ball production has only been modest despite showcasing good technique and timing when he has chances to make a play on the football, but his lack of anticipation skills didn’t present many opportunities to get the ball. With that said, he concedes very little in coverage. Cook could develop into a reliable starter, but 2021 was the first year of his career that he logged more than 220 snaps on the defensive side of the football and his feel for coverage is still a work in progress. Cook has the makings of a standout special teamer that offers versatility and developmental appeal at safety.
Ideal Role: Developmental split-zone safety
Scheme Fit: Any
Pick 107
Sean Rhyan - T - UCLA
POSITIVES
— Stout, thick build throughout his frame with above-average play strength.
— Shows good pop in his hands and grip strength to jolt, displace and feed defenders laterally on double-teams, plus compress, seal and pin defenders on down blocks to create lanes off his backside.
— Has the core and lower-body strength to brace, with impressive stopping power to anchor quickly against the bull rush.
— Takes solid angles up to the second level to intersect and disrupt pursuit angles of 'backers.
NEGATIVES
— Adequate athletic ability, lateral quickness and ability to redirect.
— Struggles to adjust his aiming points and connect against post-snap movement from shifty defenders, resulting in persistently lunging and getting beat clean across his face on kick-out blocks.
Pick 116
Neil Farrell Jr. - DT/DE - LSU
Strengths
Played with good leverage, even on the nose, despite average bulk. Hustle defender with a good bull rush inside that can close and get home when quarterbacks leave the pocket.
Combines strength and footwork to fill holes inside, as well. Recovers from cut blocks or falling on his way to make a tackle.
Has the ability to create a pile in the middle, even showing the ability to split the occasional double-team. However, is just as often blown off the ball due to his high pad level.
Can make the impressive chest-to-chest bear hug tackle in the hole due to his ability to wreak havoc in the backfield.
Plays with leverage at the point of attack whether inside or outside. Keeps eyes in the backfield when inside; moves linemen to either side with strong hands.
Weaknesses
Isn't able to consistently shed blocks and makes plays in the hole.
Might be limited to one-gap systems. Agility isn't a question but misses tackles when he doesn't square and break down.
Lacks closing speed and inconsistent quickness off the snap prevents him from being an elite pass rusher.
Good strength, though his marginal arm length limits his ability to grab hold of ballcarriers as they run by.
Needs to do a better job of being the aggressor and tossing blockers aside.
Pick 125
Sam Williams - DE/OLB - Ole Miss
Sam Williams is a Senior who aligns on the Edge for the Rebel offense. He is a good athlete overall particularly when moving forward but can struggle with reactive movements as a rusher. He took a major step in 2021 and taking advantage of the extra year has seemingly done wonders for his game. In the run game, he is heavy at the point of attack and can set the edge. He has improved with regards to emotional endurance and pursuit when plays are run away from him. The passing game is where he thrives. He has improved his get-off from 2020 to 2021. He is good at converting speed to power to win in the edge and is strong enough to defeat double teams when he is in 4i or 5-technique. While he has also improved with regards to counters, he still isn’t the most loose-hipped athlete on the edge and it shows in these instances. I believe he has the schematic versatility to align in a 4-3 as a DE or play OLB in a 3-4.
Ideal Role: EDGE defender
Scheme Fit: Can play in an even or odd front.
Pick 140
Luke Fortner - C - Kentucky
Kentucky offensive lineman Luke Fortner projects as a developmental player at the NFL level. Fortner served as a starting guard for the Wildcats offense over the past several seasons before transitioning to the team’s starting center in 2021. Fortner did well in this new role, showcasing the athletic ability and general functional strength needed to play the position at the next level. I do believe there’s a continued developmental curve that needs to be respected with Fortner playing in the middle. His hand timing, placement, and anchor skills were erratic in the games that I studied. But Kentucky, which implements a lot of screens into their offense, got the most out of Fortner outside the hashes and he showed a pretty savvy feel for working out in space. I like him as a late day-three player at a position that traditionally carries low value in the draft, but would not be surprised at all to see him stepping into a starting role by the end of a rookie contract. Fortner’s experience at multiple spots on the line (23 consecutive starts at right guard) opens him up for some positional value as a utility lineman as well, so I can see plenty of pathways for him making a roster.
Ideal role: Developmental center
Pick 141
Matthew Butler - DT/DE - Tennessee
Strengths
Played with good leverage, even on the nose, despite average bulk. Hustle defender with a good bull rush inside that can close and get home when quarterbacks leave the pocket.
Lower than offensive lineman on every short-yardage play. Good agility and ability to change direction for his size.
Provides some secondary interior pass rush, getting most penetration when playing three technique.
Played with lean and leverage against the run, tough for one man to move (sometimes double-teams, too).
Delivers a strong punch and uses his hands to shed blocks to make plays in the hole or outside the box. Uses lower-body strength to anchor inside.
Weaknesses
Misses tackles, even when he gets his hands on the ballcarrier. Needs to improve hand placement and technique.
Sees the ball well but is stuck on blocks when head-up; does not shed to make plays often enough.
Must improve hand use and read-and-react skills. Lacks the violent hands to shed and can be eliminated by double-team blocks.
Lacks the speed to turn the corner consistently and is too often washed out by stronghanded blockers.
Quick first step with fluid movements off the ball. Highly competitive and fierce, showing relentless effort to the pocket with a nonstop motor
Pick 193
Mario Goodrich - CB - Clemson
POSITIVES
— Plays with very good vision in zone coverage. He is able to see routes develop in front of him and has a good reaction to the ball in the air.
— He has good breaking ability and plays with a solid base and a controlled backpedal, allowing him to transition quickly.
— Shows to have good ball skills, Locates the ball well and has the ability to play it in the air.
— Strong tackler who isn't afraid to bite the ball on tackles and square up the ball carrier.
NEGATIVES
— Slightly above-average athlete with rigid movements at times. Lacks fluidity and has hip tightness when asked to flip hips.
— Heavy-footed runner who lacks a true burst, allowing receivers to create space downfield.
— Has average awareness of threats, can lose leverage and get turned around at times.
— Panics when running downfield, not as comfortable as you'd like him to be. He gets handsy at times, leading to pass interference calls
OVERALL
Mario Goodrich is a physical cornerback who primarily plays the boundary cornerback position for the Clemson defense. He likes to get his hands on the receiver to reroute and disrupt the timing of routes. Though he has shown to play from a backpedal, he more often than not plays from an open shuffle technique; which better fits his skill set. An above-average athlete who displays rigid movement at times, Goodrich struggles with hip tightness and the ability to turn and run. Although he does a good job of getting out of breaks with clean, quick transitions, he does this best when already open and with the route in front of him. A smart player, he shows the understanding of routes and combinations, especially when playing down and distance; leading him to play very aggressively when given over-the-top help. He also looks to sit on routes, which has not particularly burned him during the 2021 season. Goodrich has the ball skills needed to compete, playing through the reception point and attacking the ball in the air; especially when playing short and medium routes. He struggles with routes developing downfield, as he lacks the speed needed to keep up with those running deeper routes. When running downfield, he tends to get handsy and overly physical, which can lead to penalties
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Fire John Harbaugh
I still think we’re gonna take a CB in the 1st roundHopefully Tavon can come back for less money, but I doubt it.
Thank God AV is gone
I figured Tavon would be cut and they probably want to move Marlon back to the slot after watching him struggle on the outside last season
That would be a good thing. Young and Averette gone. Peters and Humphrey coming off injury. If they can get Gardner from Cincinnati, they'd be good on his side. He hasn't allowed a single touchdown his whole college career. Stingley has fallen on some people's draft boards as the best corner, so Gardner most likey wont be there.
Wink was one of the biggest problems for the secondary, the other being the safeties and the LBs not being able to cover. If they don't get Gardner, McDuffie would be a good second option. If they cant get either, they gotta atleast get Gordon in the 2nd round, but I think that will throw off the strategy because IMO, the second should be used for DE/OLBs.
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