The 2014 NBA Draft Lottery Thread

[Art Barr]

I don't see Blake Griffin. Not enough body mass. No where near as skilled or even close offensively. Not really a PF in the NBA. I personally see him as a below average NBA PF prospect. I see him as an average SF prospect but his potential in the right system and role, he could be special.

Nothing special about SAR. SAR used to get his shot blocked often, was too small for the position, and he used to stat pad like crazy. He is nothing like SAR.

first off, you are talembout SAR and griffin, as they were later in their career.
i am talembout SAR, as a college hopeful to entering as a rook.
before he was moved from his natural at SF, into the idiotic move to make him a PF.
i am speaking on griffin.
before, he ramped up to expand his game this year.

in that, i see gordon being similar to griffin and SAR, when it comes to them comparatively.

i should have said in timeline comparison.

if it is a rook, and i make a comparison.
i am speaking on the player i compare them to.
how both players were going into being drafted as NBA rookies, potential wise.



art barr

 

[Art Barr]

A lot of teams have two PG's in the NBA today. It's en vogue. Jeff will be traded either this off-season or next. It's best to trade him this year for a lotto pick. Jeff is clearly a much better player than Dennis right now but Dennis potential and his talent is clearly one of the best on the squad. Jeff would solidified the PG position for Sac-Town.

Something like Derrick Williams and the #8 for Teague would be ideal. Draft Gordon and draft another PG at #15 like Ennis or Nic Stuckas(ms). I know Derrick is a bust and trash but his contract is the only one that makes this deal possible since Sac is over the cap.

dawg, sac-town has put up the eight pick to prospectively see what they can fetch tradewise.
which is good business, i don't mind that.
yet, it is telling.
as this organization does not really know what the fukk they are doing.
as the eight pick in this draft is golden given their roster.

they only have a few issues here and there, and they could fix it with this draft given their luck.
especially considering how the last draft went,..
where, plenty of teams did not know what they were doing.
when, it was a scout based draft, and all the teams who could have gotten better, failed to do so.
by making errant choices in last year's draft.

also,...a vet from a draft pick trade.
or, the pick at eight won't change sac overnight.
as they have a huff ass coach and need to learn how to deal with cousins.
they deflect blame on to cousins.
yet, need to give him the star treatment and just chalk up the fukkery to what a star who is losing, does.

plenty of teams have done it, before.
don't know why they have such a hard time, doing it.

nikkaz going crazy like dennis rodman never existed.
sitting outside the palace naked with a shotgun in a pickup threatening suicide.

cousins acting up is small potatoes to that shyt,...
so the media and the organization in sac town, need to stfu, really.




art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Randomly we have an anomaly in the draft.

Those players are: Josh Smith, Rondo, Lebron James, AK47, Shawn Marion, Derrick Williams, Beasley, Joe Alexander. Tweeners who game doesn't fit a direct category. Of course some overcome. Some dominate: Lebron and Magic. Some fail.

This year it's Aaron Gordon.

If Aaron Gordon Is So Smart, Why Does He Play Like Josh Smith? | Dean On Draft

To me I like him a lot. I think he can easily bust but he can be special as well.

I can't liken him to any player because he is different.

He has some Josh Smith, some Marion, some Pippen, some K. Leonard, etc.

I like his game a ton but some like @Malta hate his game. We will see.

now, i started reading this article.
this guy writing it does not take into account.
gordon trying as a teenager in a freshman year of college attempting to learn to diversify his competition.
to rampup for the draft.
so, i am not feeling him trying to say make light of his shot selection.

gordon needed to do what he did this year, and he would have been foolish not to attempt to do that.
as a matter of fact, that is supposed to be gordon's whole scope in college.
plus, he made the right collegiate choice school/coaching wise.
where he was green lit to do so.
dean on draft, is just writing an article to fullfill a quote and conjure up fake ass talking points.

art barr

 

[Art Barr]

all i gotta say though..

it is hordes of players in this draft.
that if a team actually tried to get the real scouting and coaching to take advantage of.
they could effectively make this talent ramp up to be good.

there are sleepers up and down this draft, with variables of size, handles, shooting up and down the board.
the players lack hops in this draft outside of the known guys who can sky, though.
which, is the only downside.
yet, these players could be the next up in bball iq the nba is in much need of, gen wise.


this should be exciting and the first time.
i can remember a draft.
where every pick has some intrigue to them.
where you can view the potential and if the right team takes them.
they could be great.

this is a great darkhorse draft!!


ART BARR's little talked about dark horse draft guys

kyle anderson : one of the most scary contained natural pg pedigree guys in a while.
that if possibly allowed to be a point forward. he could cause a lot of damage.
personally, i say let him run the pg.
you could say he plays slow, but i see a contained cerebral guy with little to no hops.
yet, has all the other intangibles at pg.
that if put on the floor with the right coach.
could be better than unadvertised.

elfrid payton : they say he is outta control. i just think he is young and he could be a great oversized steal. to the point, if allowed to play his natural at pg. you could see him on a team with a pg first mentality head coach.
that realizes what he has and makes this kid into what potentially is there.
a rim attacker at point, with a what could be an improving in game reliable j

noah vonleh : i question all indy ballplayers, but there could be sumfin here.

zach levine : imo, the guy who the lakers should just roll the dice and take.
has LA written all over him, and he just needs to pack his bags from UCLA, to the staple center.

cleanthony early ; could bust, but i would like to track where he goes and just see what he does.
one of the better actualized upper classmen in the tournie.
at best, he could be what granger was with indy before injury.
on draft day he may ride the bench, but if he stays confident.
on a good match team wise and earns a roster spot off the bench.
he could ramp up to skys the limit territory.
or just be a complete afterthought bust with a great ncaa tournie in his past.

adreian pain : bring on the PAIN!! i mean imma spartan. i have to give the bruiser his nod. sorry for the homer schtick, but i think in the right situation. he could be at least an of size maxiel with a good jumper good.

clint capela : total sleeper and could be a steal. if he can have confidence mixed with ferocity.
to adjust to the american domestic social atmosphere of playing basketball in the nba.

jordan adams : another sleeper like levine, but he has a certain it factor to him, spirit wise.
that could make him a good energy guy off the bench at best.
yet, he has that scary confidence.
where he could ramp up, and come out the blocks doing well
i see him having a good nba summer league and getting lost in the shuffle, too.
although i hope he has a good career.
kid has spirit and i like players of the darkhorse variety.
with some intangible past just being able to hoop.

PJ hairston : has no fukk'n hops.
yet, went to become an actualize d league pro.
that shows he can ramp up and will do so.
if his back is against the wall.
which are intangible factors you can't teach and go a long way in the pro's.
he could bust and be a journeyman, too.
yet, i would enjoy if he guy with no hops and a will to make it did make it.

spencer dinwiddie : the doohicky
i enjoy dribble dribe two guards and this is a great dribble drive two.
he would be a joy for me to watch make it.

isiah austin
could be a late second rounder, but a darkhorse steal.
if he ever materializes as a sleeper stretch four.



art barr

 

[42 Monks]

what in the FUKK breh

 

[KingsnBucs1987]

if IT did not play defense.
that is on your huff ass coach, breh.
not to mention, the kings damn near held a coup for IT.
now, granted IT, maybe little.
yet, when it comes to helping the kings.
did he or did he not in some fashion from team chemistry help your squad.
did he or did he not help the basket case feel more comfortable.
to the point the team rallied for IT and that included a very vocal cousins?

just because in hindsight the kings were bad.
don't try to downplay, what little good that occurred.
what occurred in sac-town was a confirmed team coup to get IT his recognition, tick and respect.
which came from the roster of the kings.
a coup that gel'd that unit for how well they were going to be under a wack inept coach.
that is a fact.....

the coach of the kings is huff, that is a fact.





art barr

The team didn't have any chemistry, it was literally IT/Gay/Cousins going down court and going iso every damn play. Maybe Cousins felt more comfortable cause he matured and hell even then, he was still getting ejected from games and punching dude's in the dikk and shyt, so he must not have been that comfortable. Not all the roster felt rah rah for IT, you got Jason Thompson now, saying he wasn't getting enough touches and shyt and lets not act like Cousins hasn't gotten on IT about not giving up the rock in the past either.

Also lets not act like before Vivek bought the team that the Maloofs and Keith fukking Smart weren't shoving IT down Sacramento's throat with all that Pizza Guy and Hustlin' Husky shyt and playing him at the point instead of Evans and turned a Rookie of the Year, 20/5/5 guy into a fukkin' spot up shooter. Now that guy is on a better team that's improving, while we're still stuck in the same spot as years before.

It's a results driven league and what did IT lead the Kings to? To the same record they had with him at point before 28 wins, no improvement with a better team.

 

[Wacky D]

It ain't just his height with me. His defense is lacking and he can score 20 a night, but he'll give up 20 as well. He freezes people out a lot and only passes it if he's forced to. If the Kings could keep him for cheap as a 6th man, I'd be for it, but as a starter, dude is lacking.

you could say the bolded about alot of people.....1st ballot hall of famers even.

and arent you the one that argued me down in favor of jimmer fredette? hows he doing these days?

 

[KingsnBucs1987]

you could say the bolded about alot of people.....1st ballot hall of famers even.

and arent you the one that argued me down in favor of jimmer fredette? hows he doing these days?

I was never in favor of Jimmer Fredette, ask @Sonny Corinthos and @LezJepzin and @2pac_Westside. I hated that we traded our pick, moved back, and took on the bigger contract in John Salmons and got the lesser pick out of it. Kings fans on here knew the only reason we drafted Jimmer was cause the Maloofs wanted to get asses in the seats.

Me personally, I wanted Leonard or Brandon Knight, we needed a 3 badly and a guard to put next to Tyreke. So instead of just grabbing him or Knight, they decided to try John Salmons again even though they traded him to the Bulls 3 years ago before that.

And the dumb shyt about the trade was, if they wanted fukking Jimmer, they could of just drafted him at where they were at instead of trading back and adding more salary.

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

I was never in favor of Jimmer Fredette, ask @Sonny Corinthos and @LezJepzin and @2pac_Westside. I hated that we traded our pick, moved back, and took on the bigger contract in John Salmons and got the lesser pick out of it. Kings fans on here knew the only reason we drafted Jimmer was cause the Maloofs wanted to get asses in the seats.

Me personally, I wanted Leonard or Brandon Knight, we needed a 3 badly and a guard to put next to Tyreke. So instead of just grabbing him or Knight, they decided to try John Salmons again even though they traded him to the Bulls 3 years ago before that.

And the dumb shyt about the trade was, if they wanted fukking Jimmer, they could of just drafted him at where they were at instead of trading back and adding more salary.

We coulda had Kwahi
























Instead we ended up with chucking ass Salmons again































AGAIN

 

[KingsnBucs1987]

We coulda had Kwahi





Instead we ended up with chucking ass Salmons again




AGAIN

shyt we could of had Kawhi leonard, Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, Vuecevic, Harris, or Faried

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

shyt we could of had Kawhi leonard, Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, Vuecevic, Harris, or Faried

It's too much to process my nikka too much, the old management literally kept us out of contention. Team has so many gaps we literally need to trade this pick and all of our squad to get pieces around Demarcus

 

[KingsnBucs1987]

It's too much to process my nikka too much, the old management literally kept us out of contention. Team has so many gaps we literally need to trade this pick and all of our squad to get pieces around Demarcus

We were on our way, literally if we draft with common sense, our team would be fukking beastly.

Evans in 2009
Cousins in 2010
Leonard or Klay or Kemba in 2011
Drummond in 2012
McElmore in 2013

Our five would be Evans/Klay/Leonard/Drummond/Cousins or Kemba/Evans/???/Drummond/Cousins. Both of those teams would have been scary as fukk

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

We were on our way, literally if we draft with common sense, our team would be fukking beastly.

Evans in 2009
Cousins in 2010
Leonard or Klay or Kemba in 2011
Drummond in 2012
McElmore in 2013

Our five would be Evans/Klay/Leonard/Drummond/Cousins or Kemba/Evans/???/Drummond/Cousins. Both of those teams would have been scary as fukk

Bruh.....bruh

You hearing anything about what they are thinking about the pick? Packaging it up for Rondo?

 

[KingsnBucs1987]

Bruh.....bruh

You hearing anything about what they are thinking about the pick? Packaging it up for Rondo?

Yeah I heard PDA wants to trade the pick for a vet. Me and @GoldenGlove talked about a deal between the Bulls and Kings.

How would you fell about:
Kings trade: 8th pick and Rudy Gay

to

Bulls trade: Taj Gibson, Jimmy Butler, and their 19th pick in this draft

I think that would be a good as trade for us.

 

[NatiboyB]

aaron gordon is the one guy i hope turns into what i think he can be.
which is a blake griffin 2.0, type.

i think the kid is great.
although the league could fukk him up and he becomes:

shariff abdur raheim

so, it could go either way.
although, i hope this kid makes the transisiton and does well.



art barr

Shareef was actually good and would be a top 4 pick in this draft with his skills he had...don't act like he wasn't good.

Aaron Gordon is more of the Marion role player type who could become allstar than the Blake Griffen franchise PF type.