The 1960s Celtics would win at least 1 championship this era

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Yea.... that is a weird stance..... like we saying if the 60’ teams was bred under 2000s standards they could hang.

But everytime there’s a conversation about current top players playing back in the old days. No one accounts for them under that same logic.
 

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You don't think the league having around 120-130 roster spots wouldn't have made a difference to counter the larger global talent pool? Tom Sanders said in a video that he was initially competing with 22 other guys for a spot on the Celtics roster. The Celtics of the 60s would often have 20-25 PPG scorers on other teams join their bench, they were very strong

Over 700 players made the league last year, the last decade had a ton of years with 650+ making it at some point which wasn't the case (or even close to being the case) in previous decades even with 29 teams

Nevermind that they didn't have the perks of today's NBA and that today's NBA players would have to play a very different game back then
What’s your argument? I’m saying the domestic and global basketball talent pool is larger than ever.

I can put Tom Heisohn give him a modern upbringing and give him everything players today have and there’s no telling whether he develops to be NBA caliber player for this specific era.

I see a guy like Luka Garza in the NCAA it’s no doubt with his resume he’s a top 5 pick in a different era. Today he’s probably a second rounder.

There’s hundreds of kids in college with athleticism and skills that won’t sniff the league. There’s too much talent that fell out the league.
 

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Yea.... that is a weird stance..... like we saying if the 60’ teams was bred under 2000s standards they could hang.

But everytime there’s a conversation about current top players playing back in the old days. No one accounts for them under that same logic.
Why is there no American born white boys that’s all stars right now with all this tech?
 
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The basketball talent pool would be much larger.

Right now there’s American players playing overseas. Right now there’s guys that played D1 and work a 9-to-5 that would be star NBA players in the 1960’s.

Guys like Kendall Marshall, Marshon Brooks, Jordan Crawford, and Kay Felder are out the league.

That would only be true for the bottom of the talent pool from back then. The top guys would still be top guys.
 
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Why is there no American born white boys that’s all stars right now with all this tech?

They have self selected themselves out of basketball like we have done with baseball. Back in the 60s there were lots of black American superstar baseball players. Now there are barely any.

The influx of white Europeans should let you know race has nothing to do with this. Same with black Hispanic players in baseball.
 

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They have self selected themselves out of basketball like we have done with baseball. Back in the 60s there were lots of black American superstar baseball players. Now there are barely any.

The influx of white Europeans should let you know race has nothing to do with this. Same with black Hispanic players in baseball.
Not the same. It’s probably more white kids playing basketball than ever. Black people don’t play baseball at all like we used to. And even then we have mookie betts a top 5 player in mlb. While White boys got Kevin Love in the nba. Jimmer, Morrison, Psycho T, reddikk, mcbuckets, etc... didn’t live up to their hype because black people are just better
 

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What’s your argument? I’m saying the domestic and global basketball talent pool is larger than ever.

I can put Tom Heisohn give him a modern upbringing and give him everything players today have and there’s no telling whether he develops to be NBA caliber player for this specific era.

I see a guy like Luka Garza in the NCAA it’s no doubt with his resume he’s a top 5 pick in a different era. Today he’s probably a second rounder.

There’s hundreds of kids in college with athleticism and skills that won’t sniff the league. There’s too much talent that fell out the league.
My argument is that back in the 60s it was (theoretically) the best 120-130 in the planet instead of the best 600+ that can make a squad today in some capacity. That the larger talent pool of today is overstated somewhat when there are far more roster spots and more opportunities to get a spot today compared to how it was then. I mean drafts used to go up to 200+ and only a fraction (usually 25%) played a single minute, it wasn't until 1988 when it was reduced to 3 rounds. You could argue the BS quota of only 4 non-whites per roster prevented the 60s from fielding the absolute best possible talent, but talent was still more concentrated back then than it's been since

Garza's draft value (or lack thereof) has more to do with how perimeter friendly the modern NBA is than anything else
 
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Not the same. It’s probably more white kids playing basketball than ever. Black people don’t play baseball at all like we used to. And even then we have mookie betts a top 5 player in mlb. While White boys got Kevin Love in the nba. Jimmer, Morrison, Psycho T, reddikk, mcbuckets, etc... didn’t live up to their hype because black people are just better

There are more white people in general so you'll see more in basketball than black folks in baseball. I'm talking more percentages. You'll see as large a percentage of whites eventually self-select themselves out of basketball just like black folks have self-selected themselves from baseball.

The mind is a powerful thing. If you buy into streotypes you will start to become them. Its that simple. You don't have a similar phenomenon in Europe which is why almost all the good white basketball players of the last 25 years have been foreigners.
 

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There are more white people in general so you'll see more in basketball than black folks in baseball. I'm talking more percentages. You'll see as large a percentage of whites eventually self-select themselves out of basketball just like black folks have self-selected themselves from baseball.

The mind is a powerful thing. If you buy into streotypes you will start to become them. Its that simple. You don't have a similar phenomenon in Europe which is why almost all the good white basketball players of the last 25 years have been foreigners.
Some of what u saying is true. But here in detroit program funding self elected baseball out of our schools. It’s no high school baseball here. If it’s a sports program in HS I’m almost certain basketball is in it. I never heard a highly recruited white boy from HS quitting. White boys just not good enough in a general sense. So that theory of modern tech and shyt would be different for white boys don’t fly with me. Cacs ain’t even put out a better guard than Stockton (1984) and he ain’t shyt either lol

American white boys lacking in all sports but more so in basketball
 
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Some of what u saying is true. But here in detroit program funding self elected baseball out of our schools. It’s no high school baseball here. If it’s a sports program in HS I’m almost certain basketball is in it. I never heard a highly recruited white boy from HS quitting. White boys just not good enough in a general sense. So that theory of modern tech and shyt would be different for white boys don’t fly with me. Cacs ain’t even put out a better guard than Stockton (1984) and he ain’t shyt either lol

American white boys lacking in all sports but more so in basketball

If you are black, I would suggest not buying into any racial streotypes. Even those targeting other folks. Its no different than cacs believing black people are inherently less intelligent because of lower test scores and lack of academic achievement. Like I said before, the mind is a powerful thing. If you believe you are lesser than, then that is what you will become.

As far as I can tell white Europeans are not genetically any different than white Americans. Why can they produce Hall of Famers on the regular and American whites can't? And better yet, its not like every black NBA star is a freak athlete. We have many black stars that dominate the league with not much athleticism (i.e. James Harden, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Trae Young, and so on). The idea that any group is inherently better than another group at any human activity is false. If you are black, you should know better than that. Cause if you start buying into racist notions of athletic superiority then you are also accepting their ideas of intellectual inferiority as well.

People that are great at basketball are great because of their passion and work ethic for the craft far more than some genetic predisposition. To think black athletes are dominant just because they are black is to sell their work ethic, intelligence, and determination short. Racist cacs like to do that. I wish black folks would be smart enough not to fall for it.
 

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Let’s put it like this. Given the circumstances of today as well as modern medicine, that Celtics team would be a dynasty. They also had a shyt ton of HoFers and a plethora of experience in beating players like Wilt fking Chamberlain. If they can beat him, they can beat anyone.
 

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With modern science and exercise they could. Those teams were loaded and pioneered high tempo basketball in the NBA.
 

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My argument is that back in the 60s it was (theoretically) the best 120-130 in the planet instead of the best 600+ that can make a squad today in some capacity. That the larger talent pool of today is overstated somewhat when there are far more roster spots and more opportunities to get a spot today compared to how it was then. I mean drafts used to go up to 200+ and only a fraction (usually 25%) played a single minute, it wasn't until 1988 when it was reduced to 3 rounds. You could argue the BS quota of only 4 non-whites per roster prevented the 60s from fielding the absolute best possible talent, but talent was still more concentrated back then than it's been since

Garza's draft value (or lack thereof) has more to do with how perimeter friendly the modern NBA is than anything else
It’s not overstated. There were less teams and roster spots then but still a way smaller talent pool and way less people playing basketball in that time period.

There’s no guarantee that any Celtic thrown into this era stands out through the basketball pipeline or makes the NBA with the talent pool of today

Just because you made the NBA then doesn’t automatically mean you’ll make it today

There’s players today who are D3 that are ridiculously good
 

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cant teleport generations thats the ultimate in stupidity


also the average height of a player today is 6'7
the average height of players in the 50s was 6'4

another glaring hole in your basketball knowledge outside of throwing around random bullshyt my guy


if you're young, you will see how life works soon. Like dude said the past creates the future, dudes who broke records in the 80s were chasing the 70s records
and so on... people are only as good as whats happening in front of them. 50 years from now people will be the same, but people will be chasing different records and breaking them.
If someone knew Steph Curry was going to make 402 3's in a season ... they would just gun for that. But proving my point, it was a different time back then you would be kicked out of the league for playing like Steph
shyt even AI is proof enough... dude was blackballed and shyt on for playing with today's style.

This is my take an opinion so it doesnt hold super amount of weight but if Bill Russell was here now playing he would be Giannis ... dudes were built like that but arguably in better shape, riding buses to games and playing in converses with no subs.

What cats dont take into account with these bullshyt comparisons is, the talent pool after 70 years is much larger. Its easy to compare greats when you have a huge pool to choose from. In 50 years you will be able to pick out 5-7 players just like anyone at anytime in basketball history. What I also mean with the being young thing is ... I played basketball in the 90s as hard as I could. I was only as good as I was... I wasnt obviously good enough to fukk with college level players. My style today is completely different than when I played super hard in the 90s. That doesnt change the fact that the 90s overwhelmed and overshadowed me when I was in it... and taking my talent now into the 90s still wouldnt change much for me. Similar to in 2034 I wont be able to just bring that game to 2017 and have it work. Going back to the 1950s and 60s is an incredible reach because at the time you wouldnt even be considered into the league. People that do this are looking subjectively at the past as if being a professional at that time is easy work. If you look at anything with that mindset you will always look foolish, They were just inventing TV and all this shyt... I dont see anyone building TVs now, just because we have the tech in our palm. You in 2020 couldnt blindly go put together an analog TV and program the board to make it work. :yeshrug: Rodney Mullen invented 300 tricks on skateboard including the ability to jump ... which opened the lane for modern skateboarding. You cant really ever say ... well fukk Rodney Mullen when he walked so you could run with it. You dont want the 60s team to come to this era with the new talent and ability so your argument and viewpoint is already bullshyt, how can an innovator not be able to innovate? Just because you want them to wear short shorts and shoot hookshots to make you feel better? You are comparing a creation of modern game with limited teams and funding to a global game where dudes get pulled out of Serbia at 19 and forced into basketball in huge international leagues. But your only argument is that dudes were shorter, even though it was only by 2 inches. Come on, Son. That's like saying America's got Talent has better jazz musicians than the 1930s just because they've practiced robotically and have a large pool of auditions now. Sure there's more and people have studied it longer but that doesnt mean the majority of people are better. Imagine if you gave Muddy waters Youtube with tutorials and access to a million different songs to learn. :yeshrug:
 

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All I know is that if Draymon Green was a defensive force in this era, Bill Russell would've been a beast in this day and age.

No fukking clue how the rest of that Celtics roster would've adapted/evolved to this era and conditions because I've never bothered looking at film nor reading about them :yeshrug:
Russell wasn't even an offensive beast back then, what makes u think he'd be that dominant??
 
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