Terence Crawford vs Errol Spence Posts Super Thread (Uppin 4 ol times sake))

[Black_Jesus]

They turned it down because it was BS. Just like how Wilder turned down that BS $100 million offer from DAZN.

Explain how a $25m offer is more bullshyt than a $0 guarantee offer they sent to Bud with no transparency of the back end

 

[desjardins]

It's always weird to me that people are conditioned to side with corporations over people. Like, most people here hate their jobs and know they are being used, but will turn around and tell an athlete to suck it up.

My whole perspective changed years ago when I saw a friend going through contract negotiations in NFL. Like, these people really talk down on you and don't give a sh*t about you at all, and let you know it. And you gotta take the bag to play, or leave, and if you leave, fans say you a bad person for not staying with their favorite team so that you can help win a championship so you they can brag for a year to friends. All the while you getting sh*t on in real life.

These mf'ers wanted Bud to get sh*t on, take no guarantees except for "I guarantee I'll pay you what I decide to", no anything, and if he loses, he not only lost out on any money from this fight whatsoever, he also lost out on future earning from losing his status. He's taking ALLLLL the fukking risk, and the only people that do that are either hella stupid or super believe in themselves. In his eyes, he will take the risk, beat their guy, and then go get a few more super bags with no one in his pocket.

And after he says yes, but at least let me see the numbers, they so no, and WE LAUGH???

Bra, a boxing contract is a business partnership, don't get it twisted. Sports are just business contracts. Fun to us, real sh*t in real life. Why would you laugh at or call a duck or want an athlete to get shytted on for repping themselves? Isn't this what Lamar Jackson is going through?

I would rather not see the fight then see the people who made boxing what it is today win again, and see our dumbasses supporting them - they the same as NFL and NBA owners, who dont care about us or the sport.

Get out your emotions and get real people....

It's weird as shyt.
stanning a fighter is one thing because ultimately the wins and losses will come in the ring.
stanning a promotional platform like it's not a BUSINESS with it's own bottom line and self interest at stake is wild. Why is it implausible that the biggest promoter at the division used their leverage to offer a one sided deal to a free agent fighter with no fan base, no PPV track record, and basically no other promoter to run to? Sounds EXACTLY like what would happen
Crawford not accepting that is entirely his prerogative and understandable given the fact he was at worst the 7th best paid fighter in the sport the last 5 yrs. He got standards, no matter how unrealistic people think it is. I'm never going cap for a fighter getting a shyt deal at the end of the day, especially on a fight of this magnitude. We not talking about a tune up or no name mandatory. We talking about arguably the biggest fight of the year

 

[Black_Jesus]

It's weird as shyt.
stanning a fighter is one thing because ultimately the wins and losses will come in the ring.
stanning a promotional platform like it's not a BUSINESS with it's own bottom line and self interest at stake is wild. Why is it implausible that the biggest promoter at the division used their leverage to offer a one sided deal to a free agent fighter with no fan base, no PPV track record, and basically no other promoter to run to? Sounds EXACTLY like what would happen
Crawford not accepting that is entirely his prerogative and understandable given the fact he was at worst the 7th best paid fighter in the sport the last 5 yrs. He got standards, no matter how unrealistic people think it is. I'm never going cap for a fighter getting a shyt deal at the end of the day, especially on a fight of this magnitude. We not talking about a tune up or no name mandatory. We talking about arguably the biggest fight of the year

saddest part is the total disrespect by these Spence groupie twink boys, of a black fighter standing on his own and being his own boss with his own team sitting at the negotiation table.. Not only that he bringing multiple deals to the table.. And all these faggits can do is play stupid like they cant follow what Bud is talking about OR they straight up calling him a liar.. It was Haymon's job to investigate these companies willing to invest and find out if its bullshyt or not.. Like Bud said Haymon said he not letting NOBODY else get there hands on the fight

 

[desjardins]

saddest part is the total disrespect by these Spence groupie twink boys, of a black fighter standing on his own and being his own boss with his own team sitting at the negotiation table.. Not only that he bringing multiple deals to the table.. And all these faggits can do is play stupid like they cant follow what Bud is talking about OR they straight up calling him a liar.. It was Haymon's job to investigate these companies willing to invest and find out if its bullshyt or not.. Like Bud said Haymon said he not letting NOBODY else get there hands on the fight

yea that's another thing. PBC original selling point to their stans were they were the platform willing to pay fighters their worth. Now you got pbc stans openly arguing for a black fighter to accept whatever is given to him.....because PBC is the one offering the contract
You can't make this shyt up. This shyt is real simple, replace Al Haymon with Bob Arum or any other promoter and the reactions to what allegedly went down is way different

To me it boils down to PBC getting everything they wanted in terms of full control and yet they still couldn't muster up an offer Bud wouldn't refuse. People clowning BLK Prime and yet their presented an offer that was more attractive than PBC, that's on PBC. Again wtf have they been doing marinating this fight for 5+ yrs only to instantly start talking about the fight not going make any money the moment they got full control

 

[Black_Jesus]

 

[Hov]

Man move around with this nonsense. Al name and PBC stamped on some of the biggest fights of this generation. Floyd? No complaints. Manny? No complaints. Canelo? No complaints. McGregor? No complaints. Fury? No complaints. You mean to tell me damn near the entire 147 division can make fights against each other and get broke off, but Bud is the only one that's getting played? Al has been promoting major concerts/events since the 70's up until the Drake's and Beyoncé's of the world, and not one person said his business dealings were shady. But you come in with this "we are the world" speech cause Bud, who has ties with someone on the FBI Most Wanted list, shows up and say he has some money from unnamed sources? Spence supposed to walk away from a proven commodity cause of that? YOU need to get out your emotions and get real. Dude talking about damn the backend cause no one buys PPV anymore, and turn around and fight a PPV fight against an opponent no one knows on an app no one knows. Stop it. He ducked. End of story.

My man, let’s get off business d riding and learn about the people you think of, the same ones we say are ruining boxing and fukking people over on money. Stop stanning a corporation my G…The same Al Haymon that tried one on Beyoncé, among others?


“The documents, which are available to the public, claim that Live Nation executive Faisel Duranni is serving as the president of Beyonce's management company, Parkwood Entertainment; that Live Nation has been successful in its effort to procure rights to a Beyonce world tour and recently paid her $4 million for unspecified reasons; and that "representatives of Live Nation suggested to Beyonce or her representatives that [Mathew Knowles] had conspired with one Al Haymon to defraud Beyonce."


Finally, the allegation that Knowles conspired with Haymon to defraud Beyonce is striking, to say the least. One of the most successful R&B promoters of all time, Haymon has a relationship with Live Nation dating back to the early days of concert-promoter consolidation.”

 

[GOAT]

There's something off-putting about Spence and Haymon going out of their way to make sure Bud doesn't get paid what he's supposed to. In reality, this should be a 50/50 split with guarantees on both sides, and Bud has already compromised way more than he should have. Those dudes either don't want the smoke, or they're deliberately trying to fukk over another black man for a shyt ton of money. Both scenarios are a terrible look for them

 

[Black_Jesus]

There's something off-putting about Spence and Haymon going out of their way to make sure Bud doesn't get paid what he's supposed to. In reality, this should be a 50/50 split with guarantees on both sides, and Bud has already compromised way more than he should have. Those dudes either don't want the smoke, or they're deliberately trying to fukk over another black man for a shyt ton of money. Both scenarios are a terrible look for them

Nobody will address the fact that he wasn't offered a guarantee from haymon.. All they can do is claim "he lying" or desperately try to breakdown every word to deflect.. Spence fanboys are garbage

 

[threattonature]

It's weird as shyt.
stanning a fighter is one thing because ultimately the wins and losses will come in the ring.
stanning a promotional platform like it's not a BUSINESS with it's own bottom line and self interest at stake is wild. Why is it implausible that the biggest promoter at the division used their leverage to offer a one sided deal to a free agent fighter with no fan base, no PPV track record, and basically no other promoter to run to? Sounds EXACTLY like what would happen
Crawford not accepting that is entirely his prerogative and understandable given the fact he was at worst the 7th best paid fighter in the sport the last 5 yrs. He got standards, no matter how unrealistic people think it is. I'm never going cap for a fighter getting a shyt deal at the end of the day, especially on a fight of this magnitude. We not talking about a tune up or no name mandatory. We talking about arguably the biggest fight of the year

Crawford is a free agent. This would be Haymon's chance to try and woo him and bring him on board as one of his fighters. That's been normal in the fight game. I could see if Crawford said that Haymon tried to take control of his next couple of fights or something like that. It would make no sense for Haymon to completely shyt on him and offer no guarantee just off the risk that Crawford won. Has ANY other fighter ever spoken of being offered no guarantee. It's only one person saying that and it's the dude known for being difficult and who has avoided tough fights for years.

 

[JealousOnesEn_V]

Nobody will address the fact that he wasn't offered a guarantee from haymon.. All they can do is claim "he lying" or desperately try to breakdown every word to deflect.. Spence fanboys are garbage

If he wants to co-promote a fight under his own company and not sign to a promoter wouldn’t he have to assume part of the financial risk and put up his own money like Floyd used to do with Mayweather Promotions? Maybe I’m wrong, I’m looking for clarity.

 

[threattonature]

Also use business logic. If Crawford wanted this fight so bad and Haymon was bullshytting why not announce publicly that the fight isn't happening and that you are moving on to other options. That would put pressure on PBC to step up their offer and let outcry occur to see how much demand there really is. That would also let PBC know he's serious about rejecting their offer. It would also create space for someone to step in and copromote or put up guaranteed money. Instead it seemed he ghosted and started moving on the low to make this other fight.

 

[desjardins]

Crawford is a free agent. This would be Haymon's chance to try and woo him and bring him on board as one of his fighters.

I assumed this was PBC plan all along, but as soon as Crawford became a free agent PBC representatives came out saying that they weren't interested in developing him as a PPV star and they weren't sure if they could pay him what he wants. We, the fans, are kind of assuming that PBC wants anything to do with this fight when it could be entirely possible that the shot callers don't give a fukk about Crawford or making that fight between him and Spence. You questioning why Haymon would shyt on him with a no guarantee offer like Al Haymon needs Bud Crawford.....


This the interview i'm referencing PBC executive: Terence Crawford vs Errol Spence Jr hasn’t happened because the money isn’t there, Crawford hasn’t been built as PPV star

 

[BornStar]

Crawford is fighting a dude that lost to mean machine

Who (mean machine) already lost to Crawford..

Crawford proceeds to say his opponent is dangerous matchup for him...

I know people say Crawfords resume is trash or he fights people who have already been defeated by Spence but damn.

 

[Black_Jesus]

If he wants to co-promote a fight under his own company and not sign to a promoter wouldn’t he have to assume part of the financial risk and put up his own money like Floyd used to do with Mayweather Promotions? Maybe I’m wrong, I’m looking for clarity.

He said he came to both Spence and Haymon with 2 different companies willing to put up 8 figures. they weren't interested..

 

[Hov]

Crawford is a free agent. This would be Haymon's chance to try and woo him and bring him on board as one of his fighters. That's been normal in the fight game. I could see if Crawford said that Haymon tried to take control of his next couple of fights or something like that. It would make no sense for Haymon to completely shyt on him and offer no guarantee just off the risk that Crawford won. Has ANY other fighter ever spoken of being offered no guarantee. It's only one person saying that and it's the dude known for being difficult and who has avoided tough fights for years.

Look at the last question you ask, and ask yourself this…

What fighter came to the table in a huge fight with no promotional company?

And, if TC wins, gets a big bag he doesn’t have to split a 1000 ways and learns his business, Arum Haymon etc and promotional tactics from the past 60 years are in trouble, correct or no?

Again, look at other sports and music. Those who don’t sign agents or sign under bigger companies trying to deny the rights to the artist.

This is unbelievably easy to recognize.