Okay, so you guys are basically saying that you are ok with cost of socialized medicine?
Military is government, not really anything like what I had in mind. Government should be providing all that are soldiers need. Period. Something else the government continues to drop the ball on
Everyone benefits from the greed of the few... Rockefeller, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mike Duke, etc. etc. all provided a benefit to society and improved our quality of life... whether your willing to admit it or not.
Water is being poorly managed now... would I like to give the market a chance at managing water? sure. Its already headed up a creek under government management why not? The track record of the market > governments by a lot....
Where does this faith in government come from?
There has been no bigger destroyer of life than government, yet you cling to like its heaven sent...
There has been no bigger destroyer of life than government, yet you cling to like its heaven sent...
Brown_Pride
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Bingo. The ONLY realistic argument i can understand is simply NOT wanting to pay for someone else. At least that I get...i don't support it; and it's also chalk full of it's own idiocy I at least "get it". Ironically enough it's tied back to greed.
who'd have thunk it.
In the real world, countries with socialized healthcare spend less per capita than we do and have better outcomes.
You can go on and on about how evil you think the government is if you want, but facts are facts.
Where's the idiocy in not wanting to have part of your income forcibly taken to cover some one else's expenses?Bingo. The ONLY realistic argument i can understand is simply NOT wanting to pay for someone else. At least that I get...i don't support it; and it's also chalk full of it's own idiocy I at least "get it". Ironically enough it's tied back to greed.
We pay more cause we get more. Simple as that.In the real world, countries with socialized healthcare spend less per capita than we do and have better outcomes.
You can go on and on about how evil you think the government is if you want, but facts are facts.
... and in country after country, the original estimates of government medical care costs almost always turn out to be gross under-estimates of what it ultimately turns out to cost.
Even when the estimates are done honestly, they are based on how much medical care people use when they are paying for it themselves. But having someone else pay for medical care virtually guarantees that a lot more of it will be used.
Nothing would lower costs more than having each patient pay those costs. And nothing is less likely to happen.
Where's the idiocy in not wanting to have part of your income forcibly taken to cover some one else's expenses?
Because that's going to happen anyway, and it's kind of dumb (or at the very least naive) to think otherwise. Instead of paying for socialized healthcare, you're paying higher insurance premiums due to poor people having to go to the ER and being unable to pay for it.
There are always going to be people in society who need healthcare but can't afford to pay for it. Unless you advocate having the emergency rooms turn away people who can't pay (which I'd say is much worse), that's just the way it is in a civilized society.
It's really only a matter of how society pays for it. I'd say it makes more sense (and is more "fair") to just have a fund that everybody pays into than to force poor people into going to the ER and thus raising everyone's insurance premiums. That way they can get preventative care (thus reducing the number of ER visits) and money will be saved overall.
I back charity as the answer.
To you prior point though, now you can opt out, you can choose to not have healthcare, under obamacare its mandated by the federal government... its completely different.
Americans tend to have higher rates of obesity, narcotics use and homicide than people in some other countries. And there is not much that doctors can do about that.
If those who make international comparisons were serious, instead of clever, they would compare the things that medical science can have a great effect on — cancer survival rates, for example. Americans have some of the highest cancer survival rates in the world, and for some particular cancers, the highest.
The quality of the medical care itself is not the problem. Few — if any — countries can match American medical training, medical technology or the development of life-saving pharmaceutical drugs in the United States. Most countries with government-controlled medical care cannot come close to matching how fast an American can get medical treatment, particularly from specialists.
Where this idea that America has bad or worse healthcare comes from.
We get more, and it cost more.
If we want ed to really reduce cost, we would pass federal legislation putting an end to state regulation of insurance companies. That would instantly eliminate thousands of state mandates, which force insurance to cover everything from wigs to marriage counseling, depending on which special interests are influential in which states.
If those who make international comparisons were serious, instead of clever, they would compare the things that medical science can have a great effect on — cancer survival rates, for example. Americans have some of the highest cancer survival rates in the world, and for some particular cancers, the highest.
The quality of the medical care itself is not the problem. Few — if any — countries can match American medical training, medical technology or the development of life-saving pharmaceutical drugs in the United States. Most countries with government-controlled medical care cannot come close to matching how fast an American can get medical treatment, particularly from specialists.
Where this idea that America has bad or worse healthcare comes from.
We get more, and it cost more.
If we want ed to really reduce cost, we would pass federal legislation putting an end to state regulation of insurance companies. That would instantly eliminate thousands of state mandates, which force insurance to cover everything from wigs to marriage counseling, depending on which special interests are influential in which states.
Look at it this way.
You go see your doctor and negotiate a price, now add an insurance company in the middle(complete with its own cost ans employees that need to be paid) does that lower or raise the price? now add government on top of that, (complete with its own cost ans employees that need to be paid) do you think that lowers or increases the price?
Adding more steps/people will never, I repeat, never lower cost. Single payer is the best way to go, and who that single payer should be is the only discussion we should be having...
You go see your doctor and negotiate a price, now add an insurance company in the middle(complete with its own cost ans employees that need to be paid) does that lower or raise the price? now add government on top of that, (complete with its own cost ans employees that need to be paid) do you think that lowers or increases the price?
Adding more steps/people will never, I repeat, never lower cost. Single payer is the best way to go, and who that single payer should be is the only discussion we should be having...
your welcome.
