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3DTV. We can agree that nobody cares about this right? Who the fukk bought a 3DTV in here? How is that working out for you? How is that 3DS working out for Nintendo? :heh:

Motion is on its way out, Nintendo will find this out the hard way with the Wii U. Blu-Ray is done after that.

iMac Retina?

Who is getting the Surface? Will I be able to load ubuntu on that shyt?

Ultrabooks are just overpriced laptops. Get a cheap laptop, replace the regular hdd with an SSD and upgrade the ram to 8GB and you get the same shyt for about half the price.

Who is going to drop cable in 2013?

The 720 probably wont have a disc drive. Maybe an SSD + 3TB HDD?

We need updates from Fred and wrigley on that google fiber deployment, the rest of us will be looking :flabbynsick: in a little over a month.

Never compromise brehs, too much piff out there to be limiting yourselves to discs and proprietary bullshyt
 

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Amazon android phone vs the iPhone 5? Probably going to go down.
 

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3DTV. We can agree that nobody cares about this right? Who the fukk bought a 3DTV in here? How is that working out for you? How is that 3DS working out for Nintendo? :heh:

Motion is on its way out, Nintendo will find this out the hard way with the Wii U. Blu-Ray is done after that.

iPhone 5 with a 4 inch screen. Liquid might cop? :leon:

iMac Retina?

Who is getting the Surface? Will I be able to load ubuntu on that shyt?

Ultrabooks are just overpriced laptops. Get a cheap laptop, replace the regular hdd with an SSD and upgrade the ram to 8GB and you get the same shyt for about half the price.

Who is going to drop cable in 2013?

The 720 probably wont have a disc disc. Maybe an SSD + 3TB HDD?

We need updates from Fred and wrigley on that google fiber deployment, the rest of us will be looking :flabbynsick: in a little over a month.

Never compromise brehs, too much piff out there to be limiting yourselves to discs and proprietary bullshyt

This x100000 i tell people this shyt all the time. People get all :ohlawd: over the name "Ultrabook" but once i tell them whats so special about it they hit me with the :beli:
 

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This x100000 i tell people this shyt all the time. People get all :ohlawd: over the name "Ultrabook" but once i tell them whats so special about it they hit me with the :beli:
People just buy whatever they think is hot. Its annoying.
 

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People just buy whatever they think is hot. Its annoying.

Well its easy to think its hot when theyre shoving this "revolutionary" design down people's throats.


Apple has made billions off of this
 

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Valve’s Gabe Newell on the Future of Games, Wearable Computers, Windows 8 and More

Gabe Newell, the co-founder and managing director of Valve, the videogame development and online distribution company, made a rare appearance last night at Casual Connect, an annual videogame conference in Seattle.

Newell, who spent 13 years at Microsoft working on Windows, is not well-known outside of the videogame industry, but the company he has built in Bellevue, Wash., cannot be overlooked.

Valve is not only a game developer, producing megahits like Portal 2, it owns and operates Steam, which is the largest consumer-focused digital games distribution platform in the industry. By some measures, it may be valued at $3 billion.

Last night, at a dinner sponsored by Covert & Co., Google Ventures and Perkins Coie, Newell unveiled some of his most quirky and secretive projects in an interview onstage with Ed Fries, former VP of game publishing at Microsoft.

Newell, who has a desk on wheels so he can quickly roll over to his favorite projects within the company, struggled at times to put into words how he sees the industry shaking out as companies like Microsoft and Apple move toward closed ecosystems. At one point, he even lamented that his presentation skills aren’t up to speed because Valve isn’t a public company.

Here are excerpts from the conversation that took place in a packed and noisy room with an under-powered speaker system:

On the future of videogame distribution

“Everything we are doing is not going to matter in the future. … We think about knitting together a platform for productivity, which sounds kind of weird, but what we are interested in is bringing together a platform where people’s actions create value for other people when they play. That’s the reason we hired an economist.

“We think the future is very different [from] successes we’ve had in the past. When you are playing a game, you are trying to think about creating value for other players, so the line between content player and creator is really fuzzy. We have a kid in Kansas making $150,000 a year making [virtual] hats. But that’s just a starting point.

“That causes us to have conversations with Adobe, and we say the next version of Photoshop should look like a free-to-play game, and they say, ‘We have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but it sounds really bad.’ And, then we say, ‘No, no, no. We think you are going to increase the value being created to your users, and you will create a market for their goods on a worldwide basis.’ But that takes a longer sell.

“This isn’t about videogames; it’s about thinking about goods and services in a digital world.”

On closed versus open platforms

“In order for innovation to happen, a bunch of things that aren’t happening on closed platforms need to occur. Valve wouldn’t exist today without the PC, or Epic, or Zynga, or Google. They all wouldn’t have existed without the openness of the platform. There’s a strong tempation to close the platform, because they look at what they can accomplish when they limit the competitors’ access to the platform, and they say ‘That’s really exciting.’”

“We are looking at the platform and saying, ‘We’ve been a free rider, and we’ve been able to benefit from everything that went into PCs and the Internet, and we have to continue to figure out how there will be open platforms.’”


On Valve’s interest in Linux

“The big problem that is holding back Linux is games. People don’t realize how critical games are in driving consumer purchasing behavior.

“We want to make it as easy as possible for the 2,500 games on Steam to run on Linux as well. It’s a hedging strategy. I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think we’ll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that’s true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality.

On the evolution of touch

“We think touch is short-term. The mouse and keyboard were stable for 25 years, but I think touch will be stable for 10 years. Post-touch will be stable for a really long time, longer than 25 years.

“Post touch, depending on how sci-fi you want to get, is a couple of different technologies combined together. The two problems are input and output. I haven’t had to do any presentations on this because I’m not a public company, so I don’t have any pretty slides.

“There’s some crazy speculative stuff. This is super nerdy, and you can tease us years from now, but as it turns out, your tongue is one of the best mechanical systems to your brain, but it’s disconcerting to have the person sitting next you go blah, blah, blah, blah.

“I don’t think tongue input will happen, but I do think we will have bands on our wrists, and you’ll be doing something with your hands, which are really expressive.”


On wearable computers

“I can go into the room and put on the $70,000 system we’ve built, and I look around the room with the software they’ve written, and they can overlay information on objects regardless of what my head or eyes are doing. Your eyes are troublesome buggers.”

This Gabe interviews been making the rounds recently, mostly because of what he said about Windows 8. But I think that what he said about touch is far more interesting. I can't wait until we are controlling computers with our thoughts....:smugdraper:
 

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what happened to those cloud laptops?
ChromeBooks? They are still around, but I still think you need a full desktop class OS to get anything done. They should have focused on developing an android desktop os and that would have unified everything :noah:
 

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ChromeBooks? They are still around, but I still think you need a full desktop class OS to get anything done. They should have focused on developing an android desktop os and that would have unified everything :noah:

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Are Ultrabooks an epic failure? | Digital Trends

Intel has been banking on ultrabooks to re-ignite PC sales, but guess what? PC sales remain flat, and Ultrabook sales are far below expectations. Will Windows 8 turn things around -- or just make things worse?

A year ago, chipmaking giant Intel was touting Ultrabooks as the next wave of the PC revolution, boldly trumpeting forecasts that a new slim, sleek class of notebook computers — of course, powered by Intel’s own Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge processors — would account for 40 percent of the notebook PC market by the end of 2012.

We’re now halfway through 2012, and guess what? Market analysis firms like IDC and Gartner find that the global PC market remained essentially flat for the second quarter of 2012 — and that’s the seventh straight quarter the PC market has experienced little to no growth. Gartner notes Ultrabook shipment volumes were “small” with little impact on the overall PC market, while IDC reached much the same conclusion. However, IDC analyst Jay Chou was willing to get a little more specific with Cnet: Chou indicated roughly half a million Ultrabook shipped during the first half of 2012, “nowhere near Intel’s initial hope.”

Why are Ultrabooks tanking? And is there any hope for them during the rest of 2012 and looking into 2013?

How bad are Ultrabook sales?
Computer manufacturers aren’t (yet) in the habit of breaking out their Ultrabook sales from the rest of their notebooks, or even their overall PC sales, including things like all-in-ones and traditional desktops. The same is true for market analysis firms: getting Ultrabook numbers separate from notebook numbers — or even separate from overall PC numbers — is a little tricky. So all analysis of the Ultrabook market to date comes with a few grains of salt.

Nonetheless, there are some signs. IDC’s Chou noted that about 500,000 Ultrabooks have been sold worldwide to date, and that number might hit a million by the end of 2012. Given that both IDC and Gartner expect to see about 220 to 230 million notebook computers shipped during 2012, that would mean Ultrabooks would account for less than one half of one percent of worldwide notebook PC shipments in 2012. Intel’s persistent claims that Ultrabooks would account for 40 percent of notebook PC sales by the end of the year would therefore be wildly off; using the same math, Intel was thinking Ultrabooks would account for about 90 million unit sales in 2012.

Market analysis firm NPD remains more bullish on Ultrabooks, claiming they have helped “establish a market for more premium-priced Windows notebooks at retail.” Although NPD doesn’t offer overall sales figures, it recently claimed Ultrabooks accounted for 11 percent of sale of Windows notebooks priced at $700 or more in the U.S. market from January to May 2012. That’s rather a lot of qualifiers, but NPD’s point is that, at least in the United States, Ultrabooks are seeing their strongest adoption in the higher end of the notebook PC market.

Of course, put another way, that means 89 percent of high-end Windows notebook sales in the U.S. during the first five months of the year were not Ultrabooks — and basically no Ultrabooks were sold below the $700 price point.

NPD’s findings also presaged NPD’s and Gartner’s latest figures: NPD found that overall market for Windows notebook computers in the United States shrank by 17 percent during the first five months of 2012.
So how could the computing industry have made such a giant miscalculation on Ultrabooks? There seem to be several factors — and which is most important depends on who you ask.

It’s the economy!

It’s no secret that the U.S. economy is still struggling to recover from recession, which means many consumers have little disposable income and put off major purchases — and that includes things like flashy new computers. Similarly, economic troubles in Europe — where Ireland may be emerging from an austerity program but Greece, Portugal, and Spain are all just getting started — puts a damper on consumer spending. Japan’s economy has been struggling for years, and IDC found the broader Asia Pacific PC market (excluding Japan) was flat during the second quarter — the worst its done in years. In other words, many of the major markets for new computers around the world are facing economic pressures that dampen consumers’ appetite for new computers.

Initial Ultrabook models likely failed chin-first into economic hard times simply by being expensive. In the United States, NPD’s figures highlight the price discrepancy between a traditional Windows notebook and Ultrabooks: NPD found the average market price for a Windows notebook was $510, where the average selling price for Ultrabooks for the first five months of the year was $927. Although Ultrabook prices have dropped during 2012 — dipping to $885 in May — they still remain substantially higher priced than traditional notebook PCs. Someone with $900 to spend on a new computer might consider a new Ultrabook — or consider that they can get a new traditional notebook and an iPad 2 for the same money.

As Intel kicks up production on its latest Ivy Bridge processors, Ultrabook prices should being to fall, with market watchers expecting Ultrabooks to start dipping below the $700 threshold in time for the back-to-school buying season. However, that still represents a roughly 40 percent premium over the cost of a traditional Windows notebook — which might offer a larger, higher-resolution display, more storage, and niceties like an optical drive.

It’s Apple!

Another obstacle Ultrabooks are likely facing: Apple. NPD highlighted the problem with its analysis of the average selling price of Ultrabooks landing around $900 — and several high profile models have had price tags well in excess of $1,400. The problem, of course, is that the market for super-slim, ultraportable notebooks was essentially invented by Apple way back at the beginning of 2008, and Apple dominates sales of all computers priced at $1,000 or higher — and perhaps coincidentally has done so since about the time the first MacBook Airs shipped.

With Ultrabooks, Intel and its partners are not only going up against a company that has been in the slim-light-notebook business years longer — and had time to evolve their product—but they aren’t even competing with Apple on price: the MacBook Air starts at $1,000.

Again, the answer here would seem to be cheaper Ultrabooks: if Intel and its manufacturing partners can argue that not only are their Ultrabooks slim and sleek like a MacBook Air but also cheaper, they may win sales from folks who would otherwise consider Macs.
It’s smartphones and tablets!

Of course, a primary argument for lackluster Ultrabook sales is that PC sales in general are being eroded by smartphones and tablets. “Consumers are less interested in spending on PCs as there are other technology product and services, such as the latest smartphones and media tablets,” wrote Gartner analyst Mikako Kitagawa. The basic idea is that inexpensive portable devices aimed at providing Internet access and media consumption are eroding growth in the PC market. After all, if all you do with a PC is keep up with email and social networking, visit a few Web sites, play a few games, and stream video, you don’t really need a full-fledged PC. A smartphone or tablet and maybe a streaming media service will pretty much fit the bill.
It’s Windows 8!

When Intel launched its Ultrabook initiative — and started subsidizing partner’s efforts to build them — we were told that Intel’s then-leading Sandy Bridge processors were just the first stage. Ultrabooks would really come into their own with the next-generation Ivy Bridge processors. That may be true: Ivy Bridge systems have only been in the market for a few months, and it may be too soon to say whether consumers were just holding off for Intel’s latest and greatest chips before jumping on the Ultrabook bandwagon. But it seems unlikely: historically, consumers haven’t cared much one way or another about what generation of processor is in a computer, so long as it does what they want. Although Ivy Bridge graphics are a solid step up from those in Sandy Bridge, neither chip struggles in the slightest with everyday tasks on a typical 11- to 13-inch 1,366 by 768-pixel display.

Instead, industry-watchers are pointing to Windows 8 as a reason consumers have so far declined to embrace Ultrabooks. With Microsoft now set to launch Windows 8 in October, the argument goes that consumers are delaying the purchase of a new computer until they can get a new machine that’s both designed for Windows 8 and comes with the new operating system pre-installed. There’s some logic to this: after all, few things feel quite like the burn of buying an expensive new computer only to have it made obsolete a few months later by new technology or a new operating system.

At a technical level, that doesn’t really hold water: most notebooks and Ultrabooks available now will run Windows 8 just fine. But anyone who has installed (or re-installed) Windows can understand the appeal of a system that’s ready to go right out of the box. And once Windows 8 hits the street, PC makers are planning to focus on Ultrabook designs that offer touchscreen displays and convertible tablet designs: Acer’s Aspire S7 is one example. Where today’s Ultrabooks are basically slim laptops, some Ultrabooks designed for Windows 8 will support both traditional notebook and tablet use. They’ll still be heavier, hotter, and more expensive than a true tablet, but they will be the high-end of the “best of both worlds” approach Microsoft is embracing with Windows 8.
It’s Microsoft!

If Ultrabook sales have been hurt by high prices, then few things may be hurting the sales of current Ultrabook models like Microsoft’s recently announced Surface products. Although Microsoft hasn’t announced ship dates or pricing, if Ultrabooks are going to engage in a race-to-the-bottom pricing strategy, Microsoft may already be undercutting them with its forthcoming

To be sure, the Intel-based version of Surface will not technically be an Ultrabook, but it’ll have a 10.6-inch display, a workable keyboard, run Windows desktop applications, and weigh less than two pounds. If you’re a computer maker thinking about making Ultrabooks, you have to consider how the Pro version of Surface will undercut sales of any Windows product designed to be slim, lightweight, and highly portable. After all, Microsoft will not hav to pay license fees for copies of Windows 8 installed on their own devices, which gives them a innate price advantage.

To soon to tell?

Intel’s rosy forecast that Ultrabooks would account for 40 percent of notebook sales in 2012 seems to be impossible now. However, Intel — and most of the rest of the PC industry — insists that Ultrabooks represent a sea-change for computing, and the Day of the Ultrabooks will arrive. Eventually.

There’s no denying many consumers like the super-slim and highly-portable nature of Ultrabooks and things like the MacBook Air. However, I think it’s still too early to say whether Ultrabooks’ dominance of the computing industry is inevitable. If Microsoft succeeds with the Surface Pro, super-slim, high-performance products like Ultrabooks will almost certainly have to aim at the high end of the Windows PC market — because competing head-to-head with Microsoft on price is almost certainly doomed to fail. Computer manufacturers may be willing to do aim high — after all, the high end of the market has the largest margins, so there’s more money to be made there. But, so far at least, Ultrabooks have pretty much failed to compete with traditional Windows notebooks even at the high end of the market, and neither have fared well against Apple’s MacBook Pro and MacBook Air.

The result may be that PC makers will likely continue to be forced to race for the bottom of the market, struggling to offer their products at the lowest prices possible in an effort to make money through sheer volume of sales. Those notebooks will eventually get thinner and thinner — and, of course, many will eventually embrace Ivy Bridge and Intel’s next-generation Haswell processors. At that point, Intel may just have to declare victory by claiming all those notebooks are effectively Ultrabooks — but to most consumers, they’ll just be notebooks, pure and simple. And that’s pretty much how consumers are responding to Ultrabooks today.
Liquid is almost never wrong, I knew those sales were bad...but not THAT bad.

NaiSim, remember when I told you years ago (maybe even back in the powerpc days) that if you are going to spend $1,000 on a laptop...you might as well buy a mac? I said it then, people seem to have that opinion NOW. Slow, but I knew this would become the trend. Intel and all those morons are finding out the hard way...only Apple can get away with that shyt.

I wonder how Vizio is doing lol.
 

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what happened to those cloud laptops?

Google may soon offer Chromebook and Chromebox owners 100GB of free Google Drive online storage, according to code within the Chromium open source operating system.

Google+ user François Beaufort spotted the promo within the Chromium Code review site. Looking at the code, you’ll notice several mentions of an “alternative GDrive promo” and, within one JavaScript file there is welcome text that says “Get 100 GB free with Google Drive.”

Google Chromebook and Chromebox Buyers to Get 100GB of Free Google Drive Storage? | PCWorld


:ahh: * looks at my free chromebook from google*

am hoping they hook this up not that i need the space or anything but still


clouding computing services its purpose and it will be the future, google/apple are as usual ahead of the curve on this, google a bit more so , next step is fixing the wireless infrastructure in this country , no sense in having all that space if you cant acces ur stuff without some ridiculous data plan
 

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I'm looking to dropping cable. whenever i get around to it. it really needs to happen but those fukkers place their dropboxes/service centers like miles fukking away from the city and makes going there such a fukking pain.
 

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3DTV. We can agree that nobody cares about this right? Who the fukk bought a 3DTV in here? How is that working out for you? How is that 3DS working out for Nintendo? :heh:

Motion is on its way out, Nintendo will find this out the hard way with the Wii U. Blu-Ray is done after that.

iMac Retina?

Who is getting the Surface? Will I be able to load ubuntu on that shyt?

Ultrabooks are just overpriced laptops. Get a cheap laptop, replace the regular hdd with an SSD and upgrade the ram to 8GB and you get the same shyt for about half the price.

Who is going to drop cable in 2013?

The 720 probably wont have a disc drive. Maybe an SSD + 3TB HDD?

We need updates from Fred and wrigley on that google fiber deployment, the rest of us will be looking :flabbynsick: in a little over a month.

Never compromise brehs, too much piff out there to be limiting yourselves to discs and proprietary bullshyt


-3D gaming/ movies are a fad , that will die down with in the next 5 years tops


- As far as motion do you mean kinect type motion? i think that is future , new, the kinect sdk for computers dropped not so long ago and i expected to see good things from it, i have a friend who has a touch screen pc, i know they been around but i never really messed with one and i was semi impressed, so a voice controlled computer will be interesting

-imac and ieverything will continue to suck and rape. pause

-surface is gonna be DOA until them fukboys at MS get the price right Microsoft Windows Surface pricing revealed on Swedish retail website - priced to compete? | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews, now thats just a rumor but $1,000? DOA am tellin, them things have to come in between $450-$650 MIN/MAX, windows 8 overall is lookin beautiful and cant wait to try it, but as far as tablets go GSDG all day

-ultrabooks are fad, they trying to copy the apple model

-i barely watch cable anymore, i just which hbo would offer a stand alone package like $20 a month or something for HBO go and i would fuks with it, other than that once google tv gets done the correct way and you can setup XMBC in a non complicated manner RIP TV for us smart user

- 720 will be more of a media centered device less of a gaming device , yea they will push games, but more focus will be be on tv content , i only turn on my xbox to watch netflix/hbo go anymore , i wish they could figure a way to let us run some of android games on there

- Google fiber is the future , cable companies need to come together with the GSDG and give the ppl what they want.
 

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On the OP:

I have a 3D TV. I don't use the 3D. It's neat, but for less than a projector sized screen it's pretty gimmicky and let's face it, no one has been able to really get past sporting those glasses around the house.

Motion won't ever truly be gone. It'll evolve and end up being more integrated and far more accurate. MS is definitely headed in the right direction with the Kinect. fukk I wanna have to always use a remote/controller for? The capabilities far exceed that of touch interfaces for a lot of applications.

I don't use Macs. I applaud Apple pushing the resolution limit in the laptop segment. Oh, and fukk apple, GSDG all day bytches.

Unless MS can get their pricing right, Surface is a day one flop. But assuming the price is right, and that keyboard is actually useful, I can see it. Smaller/more portable is the future. So until that holographic keyboard shows up, surface will have to do. I see people get external keyboards for their tablets and then tend to not use them. Probably because it's not as convenient to carry as it could be.

-As far as loading ubuntu, isn't MS supposedly locking out other OS installations? Thought I read that.

Ultrabook = marketing ploy. Nice try. Not worth the price imho.

I keep telling myself I'm going to drop DTV this year. And I just never do it. I'm weak. Currently getting any show isn't a problem. For sports you can always catch a stream, but there's really no replacement for a nice paid for HD stream for live sports. When/if that happens, I may finally pull the trigger.

Google fiber - want. Hopefully they can break down the regional monopolies that have caused such stagnation in that space. Yeah, the US is a huge area to wire up, but shyt, the future relies on fast interconnects. There's no reason most of us should be paying what we are for the speeds we get. And I think it's universally agreed upon TV rates are in the same predicament. I'm glad somebody is trying to bring about a paradigm shift on that front.

This week I'm building my first HTPC for the living room. I've had one set up in the media room that I also use to serve content around the house, but fear of sound levels have prevented me from putting one in a public space. Finally decided it was time. Went with this case:
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Core i3, 8 GB ram, SSD. Looks dope in the entertainment stand and should be able to keep it quiet enough. :win: There really just isn't a good substitute for a full on pc, though some of the media streamers do an admirable job.
 
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