Surprise Surprise: Herbal Supplements Are Not Often What They Seem

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:ld:You're basically arguing for the expenditure on the basis that it offers piece of mind.

Name recognition and the laws in place will curtail these concerns over time.




:pachaha:If you need the FDA to tell you not drink bleach, and other stupid shyt, then your parents are the problem.
 

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I dont disagree with you but you forget how lazy this country is. No one will actually do the research except for the try hards (like the guys that go to the gym, post 348 selfies of them lifting along with their meal plans and training regiments)

FDA isn't all that bad as they do regulate drugs that can significantly alter peoples lives. I've been invested in some bio stocks that the FDA rejected for good reason (aka they have a good chance of killing someone)
I'm pretty sure this is the point we're trying to get at....
 
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If the bottle doenst have a dropper on the top and isnt yellow and taste disgusting, its not the real deal. And it does work.
 

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Founds this hidden gem: :ohlawd:

Study finds vitamin supplements unnecessary for most people

A study of 38,772 female supplement takers, with an average age of 62, found many of them showed a higher risk of dying than their supplement-free counterparts.
There is no need for most people to take vitamin supplements and some may even be linked to a higher risk of dying in older women,
according to a study.

Iron stood out among supplements as a particular concern, while calcium appeared to be linked to lower death risk, said the study in the Archives of Internal Medicine, a journal of the American Medical Association.

With about half of Americans taking vitamin pills of some kind, the study aimed to examine whether the US$20 billion (NZ$25.1bn) supplement industry was having any effect on extending lifespan in an already well-nourished population.

The researchers confirmed their theory - that supplements were not helping people ward off death. But the reasons for the link to higher risk of overall mortality, or the risk of dying for any reason, were less clear.

"Based on existing evidence, we see little justification for the general and widespread use of dietary supplements," wrote the study authors from the University of Eastern Finland and the University of Minnesota.


"We found that several commonly used dietary vitamin and mineral supplements, including multivitamins, vitamins B6, and folic acid, as well as minerals iron, magnesium, zinc, and copper, were associated with a higher risk of total mortality."

The US and Finnish researchers examined data from the Iowa Women's Health Study, including surveys filled out by 38,772 women with an average age of 62.

Women self-reported their supplement use in 1986, 1997 and 2004, and data showed their use rose from 66 per cent of survey-takers at the start to 85 per cent by 2004.

Those who took supplements showed a range of healthy lifestyle factors, and were more likely than non-supplement users to be non-smokers, eat low-fat diets and exercise.

But in many cases they showed a higher risk of dying than their supplement-free counterparts.


"Of particular concern, supplemental iron was strongly and dose dependently associated with increased total mortality risk," said the study.

On the other hand, "supplemental calcium was consistently inversely related to total mortality rate", meaning that calcium-takers showed a lower death risk, though the same dosage relationship was not visible.

The authors said they could not rule out the possibility that the reason for the higher death rate in iron users could have been due to underlying conditions for which they were taking supplements, and more research is needed.

In the meantime, doctors urged patients to consider the risks of taking supplements unless they are needed to stave off deficiencies.

"We think the paradigm 'the more the better' is wrong," wrote doctors Goran Bjelakovic of the University of Nis in Serbia and Christian Gluud of Copenhagen University Hospital in Denmark in an accompanying commentary.

These findings "add to the growing evidence demonstrating that certain antioxidant supplements, such as vitamin E, vitamin A, and beta-carotene, can be harmful," they said.

"We cannot recommend the use of vitamin and mineral supplements as a preventive measure, at least not in a well-nourished population."

Bjelakovic and Gluud said the only supplement that may be beneficial to older women, and possibly older men, is vitamin D3, if they do not already get enough through their diet or from sun exposure.

"The issue of whether to use calcium supplements may require further study," they added.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10758721
 

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Not surprised in the slightest, the supplement game is a hell of a grift. People will eat a random animal dikk and spray piss on their tongue for a non-existent edge, so pushing pills and powders to cure/aid ______ couldn't be any simpler
 

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So some of yall think it is a good idea that they have beened Vitamin C in Europe ..... yall want that type of thinking to come overseas ..??? Are yall suggesting we ban vitamins and supplements??? http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/european-union-ban-on-herbal-products/

Yall noticing how all these cookies, cereals and stuff are pronouncing they are high in this and that nutrient or vitamin .... well the idea is to get rid of natural supplements and let Big Biz provide those nutrients for you through their sugary/gmo/high fructose corn syrup/aspartame laden food .... just to get basic vitamins in your body...
 

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Yall noticing how all these cookies, cereals and stuff are pronouncing they are high in this and that nutrient or vitamin .... well the idea is to get rid of natural supplements and let Big Biz provide those nutrients for you through their sugary/gmo/high fructose corn syrup/aspartame laden food .... just to get basic vitamins in your body...
When are you going to wise up and realize that supplements, natural health, etc IS big business?
 

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So some of yall think it is a good idea that they have beened Vitamin C in Europe ..... yall want that type of thinking to come overseas ..??? Are yall suggesting we ban vitamins and supplements??? http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/european-union-ban-on-herbal-products/

Yall noticing how all these cookies, cereals and stuff are pronouncing they are high in this and that nutrient or vitamin .... well the idea is to get rid of natural supplements and let Big Biz provide those nutrients for you through their sugary/gmo/high fructose corn syrup/aspartame laden food .... just to get basic vitamins in your body...
You're kind of all over the place with this one...

and I would respond, but I'm up to any lengthy debates or typing....

But I just dropped an article a couple post up talking about how most people who take supplements, don't actually need them...

They already absorb enough through the foods they eat daily...

And :snoop: at your last sentence...
 

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I'm not saying natural health practices are all bad, but at some point you're just going to have to grow up and realize that supplements and herb shyt is money making too. Billions of dollars. You think this ish is some sort of secret? Millions and millions of people spend money on homeopathic bullshyt that isnt even regulated right. Blame dudes like orrin hatch, I guess.

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You're kind of all over the place with this one...

and I would respond, but I'm up to any lengthy debates or typing....

But I just dropped an article a couple post up talking about how most people who take supplements, don't actually need them...

They already absorb enough through the foods they eat daily...

And :snoop: at your last sentence...

Do you know what Codex Alimentarius Is?????? I linked a 40 minute video...its worth the time to watch ......
If you don't know what it is then you aren't really addressing anything, and don't understand the context of this subject ...... breh
 

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I'm not saying natural health practices are all bad, but at some point you're just going to have to grow up and realize that supplements and herb shyt is money making too. Billions of dollars. You think this ish is some sort of secret? Millions and millions of people spend money on homeopathic bullshyt that isnt even regulated right. Blame dudes like orrin hatch, I guess.

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You just told me supplements was big business.... I just showed you evidence that pharmaceuticals is an $85 billion/year industry, and harms people as well (I'm pretty sure vitamins/supplements aren't anywhere close to that in annual sales) ...........even the commercials when they are reading at Usain Bolt speed tell you the problems that can occur from the "mainstream" pharmaceuticals....I'm not saying its all bad, but to demonize vitamins/supplements but ignore the neon pink elephant in the room is pretty bold .... :beli: ....
 
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