Supreme Court appears poised to rule for parents who objected to LGBTQ content in elementary schools

[Uachet]

Again, simply knowing gay people exist isn't going to destroy these kids' brains. All schools should prepare kids for reality.

In Finland most children speak 3 languages, understand core math, and are media literate. They also know what LGBTQ is and function as perfectly normal individuals when they grow up.

I understand having a moral disagreement with the existence of the LGBTQ community. But pretending they don't exist is as dumb as trying not to teach children physics because you don't believe in gravity or a spherical earth.

You do a disservice to the kids by obfuscating the realities of the society they live in.

You are putting up a strawman to argue. The point is, you can't force on people something they do not desire. If the parents do not want their children to participate in the LGBTQ+ activities, they should have the option to "opt out". Which is a perfectly reasonable request, since they are only asking for it for their own children. Similar to how you can "opt out" of saying the pledge of allegiance.

If you want your freedom to participate in those activities, you also need to respect the freedom of those who do not desire to participate.

 

[papa pimp]

Whatever China and the world does, we've earned every bit of it

But China suppresses LGBTQ+ not only at the educational level but .... you know what nevermind keep the platitudes coming

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Not sure if I follow. Parents would probably know before anyone.

You're not sure if kids can understand gay people when there's kids being raised by them right now with no issue

 

[Uachet]

But China suppresses LGBTQ+ not only at the educational level but .... you know what nevermind keep the platitudes coming

‘It’s difficult to survive’: China’s LGBTQ+ advocates face jail and forced confession'​

‘It’s difficult to survive’: China’s LGBTQ+ advocates face jail and forced confession

Trans and queer people and their supporters suffer ‘systemic persecution’ as country pushes increasingly conservative values

www.theguardian.com

I find it amusing when the shining light example people use (i.e. China) is actually worse than the country (US) they are railing against. It just exposes a bit of mental lazines, especially considering the access to information we have at our fingertips.

 

[NobodyReally]

I'm not a parent and can only vaguely remember my "health" class, but does LGBTQ need to be taught in elementary? I'm not saying there can't be LGBTQ teachers, but I don't think kids can properly contextualize that.

People always say this but it's not true. Children are exposed to stories and media featuring heterosexual characters in traditional romantic relationships in children's books, movies, and television shows from kindergarten.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

You are putting up a strawman to argue. The point is, you can't force on people something they do not desire. If the parents do not want their children to participate in the LGBTQ+ activities, they should have the option to "opt out". Which is a perfectly reasonable request, since they are only asking for it for their own children. Similar to how you can "opt out" of saying the pledge of allegiance.

If you want your freedom to participate in those activities, you also need to respect the freedom of those who do not desire to participate.

They are free to homeschool their kids or put them in schools they feel reflect their beliefs more closely.

Based on what I'm reading in the article, the so-called LGBTQ activities involves exposing kids to the fact that gay people exist and have normal lives like they do.

If that's something these parents want to contest, that only validates my argument that they are obfuscating reality in the guise of religious objection. I know you can understand and deductively reason why this is a slippery slope, especially with historical context.


I'm not exactly a rainbow flag wearing ally, but this whole thing seems like impetuous parents focusing on entirely the wrong part of their kids curriculum.

I bet none of them would go this hard about the fact that kids learn to divide and multiply entirely differently than their parents did. Or that the reading comprehension to even fathom these books they're against is in the toilet.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

But China suppresses LGBTQ+ not only at the educational level but .... you know what nevermind keep the platitudes coming

China wasn't my example of educational freedom, but ok.

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

You are putting up a strawman to argue. The point is, you can't force on people something they do not desire. If the parents do not want their children to participate in the LGBTQ+ activities, they should have the option to "opt out". Which is a perfectly reasonable request, since they are only asking for it for their own children. Similar to how you can "opt out" of saying the pledge of allegiance.

If you want your freedom to participate in those activities, you also need to respect the freedom of those who do not desire to participate.

I dont see how you can "opt out" knowing that LGBT people exist

As long as it's age appropriate, I don't see any issue. We learn about the slave trade, colonialization, and great depression with content suitable for k-6

There's literally no reason why the same can't be don't for LGBT. Cause kids would have to live under a rock to not at least know something. School is ideally an unbiased source of information. A church or parent is going to be limited by their biases, but school should just present the info to balance things out

 

[RickyDiBiase]

People always say this but it's not true. Children are exposed to stories and media featuring heterosexual characters in traditional romantic relationships in children's books, movies, and television shows from kindergarten.

Exactly

Kids know Dallas Cowboys fans exist

 

[papa pimp]

‘It’s difficult to survive’: China’s LGBTQ+ advocates face jail and forced confession'​

I find it amusing when the shining light example people use (i.e. China) is actually worse than the country (US) they are railing against. It just exposes a bit of mental lazines, especially considering the access to information we have at our fingertips.

online propaganda has melted the brains of many on this here internet.

 

[Vandelay]

You're not sure if kids can understand gay people when there's kids being raised by them right now with no issue

I'm referring to the content of the class not socialization.

 

[Uachet]

They are free to homeschool their kids or put them in schools they feel reflect their beliefs more closely.

Based on what I'm reading in the article, the so-called LGBTQ activities involves exposing kids to the fact that gay people exist and have normal lives like they do.

If that's something these parents want to contest, that only validates my argument that they are obfuscating reality in the guise of religious objection. I know you can understand and deductively reason why this is a slippery slope, especially with historical context.


I'm not exactly a rainbow flag wearing ally, but this whole thing seems like impetuous parents focusing on entirely the wrong part of their kids curriculum.

I bet none of them would go this hard about the fact that kids learn to divide and multiply entirely differently than their parents did. Or that the reading comprehension to even fathom these books they're against is in the toilet.

So this issue is so important to you, that you feel they should not be able to "opt out" of participating like they could if they wanted to "opt out" of saying the pledge of allegiance?

Also, it is the schools that are focusing on the wrong part in my opinion. They should be focused on the basics, not attempting to socially engineer LGBTQ+ acceptance. Make sure the children can read, write, and perform mathmatics. Let the social ideas come at a later stage, like middle school. These children are already leaving elementary school behind in academics in many places, yet those same places are so intent on making sure those same children know LGBTQ+ exists.

 

[Vandelay]

People always say this but it's not true. Children are exposed to stories and media featuring heterosexual characters in traditional romantic relationships in children's books, movies, and television shows from kindergarten.

Fair. Again, just asking. Not saying they shouldn't be in the same spaces, not saying they ignore their existence.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

I'm not a parent and can only vaguely remember my "health" class, but does LGBTQ need to be taught in elementary? I'm not saying there can't be LGBTQ teachers, but I don't think kids can properly contextualize that.

It's a fair question, and a lot of people wonder the same thing, but kids are often more capable of understanding than we give them credit for, especially when things are presented in age-appropriate ways. Education is one of the best ways to foster empathy and understanding from an early age. And that learning will more likely help them grow into well-adjusted people.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

So this issue is so important to you, that you feel they should not be able to "opt out" of participating like they could if they wanted to "opt out" of saying the pledge of allegiance?

Also, it is the schools that are focusing on the wrong part in my opinion. They should be focused on the basics, not attempting to socially engineer LGBTQ+ acceptance. Make sure the children can read, write, and perform mathmatics. Let the who social ideas come at a later stage, like middle school. These children are already leaving elementary school behind in many places, yet those same places are so intent on making sure those same children know LGBTQ+ exists.

I couldn't care less about this issue, personally. I'm not a parent. If I was, I'd still not care; I've known about gay people since I was 9 years old. I grew up in a religious household and turned out just fine.

I also never said they shouldn't be able to opt out, quite the opposite. I said they should remove their kids from a school they feel isnt aligned with their beliefs. They have the freedom to.

The schools reflect the state of the world and societies. Again, I'd rather kids know gay people exist AND be able to do differential equations by 12. These things don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Its not social engineering to accept the existence of gay people any more than it is to accept the existence of air, gas, liquids, solids, and plasma. Choosing not to acknowledge their existence does not make them nonexistent.

Again, I challenge you to really deductively assess this argument, apply it to curriculum 70 years ago, and reconcile the advances from then to now.

Edit: ill add that i hope these parents also keep phones away from their kids for the same reason. Because those kids are seeing way worse on social media than in their school libraries.