Supreme Court appears poised to rule for parents who objected to LGBTQ content in elementary schools

[Uachet]

I couldn't care less about this issue, personally. I'm not a parent. If I was, I'd still not care; I've known about gay people since I was 9 years old. I grew up in a religious household and turned out just fine.

I also never said they shouldn't be able to opt out, quite the opposite. I said they should remove their kids from a school they feel isnt aligned with their beliefs. They have the freedom to.

The schools reflect the state of the world and societies. Again, I'd rather kids know gay people exist AND be able to do differential equations by 12.

Its not social engineering to accept the existence of gay people any more than it is to accept the existence of air, gas, liquids, solids, and plasma. Choosing not to acknowledge their existence does not make them nonexistent.

Again, I challenge you to really deductively assess this argument, apply it to curriculum 70 years ago, and reconcile the advances from then to now.

Please, don't try to push this fiction in bold. You wrote all of these responses pushing a particular side, so you most definitely care about this issue. Trying to now handwave and state you don't care is just being disingenuous or you lacking self-awareness. It is one or the other.

The rest of what you wrote is unimportant to me, because you have already handwaved it by stating that "I couldn't care less about this issue, personally". So no, I am not going to continue to argue with you on this, because you either can't be honest about your position, or you are unaware of your own feelings about this issue.

 

[MyApps]

So this issue is so important to you, that you feel they should not be able to "opt out" of participating like they could if they wanted to "opt out" of saying the pledge of allegiance?

Also, it is the schools that are focusing on the wrong part in my opinion. They should be focused on the basics, not attempting to socially engineer LGBTQ+ acceptance. Make sure the children can read, write, and perform mathmatics. Let the social ideas come at a later stage, like middle school. These children are already leaving elementary school behind in academics in many places, yet those same places are so intent on making sure those same children know LGBTQ+ exists.

Literally nothing else needs to be said.

They are children, focusing on social influence towards LGBTQ in school curriculum is completely unnecessary.

If they want to do it so bad, give that curriculum in late middle school or high school.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

Please, don't try to push this fiction in bold. You wrote all of these responses pushing a particular side, so you most definitely care about this issue. Trying to now handwave and state you don't care is just being disingenuous or you lacking self-awareness. It is one or the other.

The rest of what you wrote is unimportant to me, because you have already handwaved it by stating that "I couldn't care less about this issue, personally". So no, I am not going to continue to argue with you on this, because you either can't be honest about your position, or you are unaware of your own feelings about this issue.

Care is a continuum and I happen to be on one end of it. That doesn't mean I dont care. I explicitly personally said I don't care as much for good reason; I'm not a parent.

There's nothing disingenuous about telling you how I feel. I think its reductionst and a bit of a fallacy to tell me how I feel and make this and if/or discussion.

I'm open to disagreements on merit and logic. But feelings aren't a driver here. The world is what it is, people exist within it that we disagree with. The remedy isn't to pretend they don't exist. It's to have a spirited discussion and resolution; what the justices are doing at the behest of, in my opinion, petulant parents.

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Literally nothing else needs to be said.

They are children, focusing on social influence towards LGBTQ in school curriculum is completely unnecessary.

If they want to do it so bad, give that curriculum in late middle school or high school.

So when these kids inevitably see gay people in real life, then what?

When kids do what kids do and bully each other for "being a sissy" or "sus", then what?

 

[Seoul Gleou]

So when these kids inevitably see gay people in real life? Then what?

When kids do what kids do and bully each other for "being a sissy" or "sus", then what?

I mean if we keep it a buck, these kids will still find out on roblox, penguin club, IG, tiktok, or literally anything connected to the internet. For fukks sake Mr. Ratburn had a whole gay wedding on Arthur back in the day

Parents are overprotective of kids in real life, but don't care what happens on the internet

Thats idiotic

 

[Givethanks]

I just hope these same parents are reading to their kids every night and making sure their homework is complete.

I remember the teacher just saying "you have gay people and straight people" and that was about it.

It has nothing to do with anything but...

Parents with gay kids know. I remember working in a school and the kids were playing dodge ball, this gay kid was that last one alive on the other team; he couldn't throw for shyt but moving like a fairy princess in space all the kids and parents on his team were cheering for little Tinkerbell and his dad had the the whole time. He won in the end because the time ran out. I've never seen a dad so proud and ashamed at the same time

 

[skylove4]

I just hope these same parents are reading to their kids every night and making sure their homework is complete.

I remember the teacher just saying "you have gay people and straight people" and that was about it.

It has nothing to do with anything but...

Parents with gay kids know. I remember working in a school and the kids were playing dodge ball, this gay kid was that last one alive on the other team; he couldn't throw for shyt but moving like a fairy princess in space all the kids and parents on his team were cheering for little Tinkerbell and his dad had the the whole time. He won in the end because the time ran out. I've never seen a dad so proud and ashamed at the same time

I could see katt Williams doing a joke on this

 

[Barlow]

I also never said they shouldn't be able to opt out, quite the opposite. I said they should remove their kids from a school they feel isnt aligned with their beliefs. They have the freedom to.

It doesn't work like this though. schools have districts and assigned zones. and private schools cost money. seems more simpler to just have an option to opt out

 

[MyApps]

So when these kids inevitably see gay people in real life, then what?

When kids do what kids do and bully each other for "being a sissy" or "sus", then what?

Then nothing.

They will ask their parent and as their guardian, the parent will decide what to say to the child and to what degree. That's the whole point of being a parent and guiding the upbringing of a child to their standard, not society.

As far as being a sissy or sus, kids are gonna say that shyt no matter what. It's kids being kids.

But I have a biological child, so you guys probably don't get it, yet.

 

[MyApps]

I mean if we keep it a buck, these kids will still find out on roblox, penguin club, IG, tiktok, or literally anything connected to the internet. For fukks sake Mr. Ratburn had a whole gay wedding on Arthur back in the day

Parents are overprotective of kids in real life, but don't care what happens on the internet

Thats idiotic

That's incorrect.

Maybe this was the case in the 2000's, def not now

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Then nothing.

They will ask their parent and as their guardian, the parent will decide what to say to the child and to what degree. That's the whole point of being a parent and guiding the upbringing of a child to their standard, not society.

As far as being a sissy or sus, kids are gonna say that shyt no matter what. It's kids being kids.

But I have a biological child, so you guys probably don't get it, yet.

Either they can understand it or they can't

The real issue is parents don't want their kids to be gay and think it's okay. If the curriculum was that AIDS was God's way of punishing sinners, they would have zero problems

Hence why kids call other kids homophobic slurs in the first place

 

[Seoul Gleou]

It doesn't work like this though. schools have districts and assigned zones. and private schools cost money. seems more simpler to just have an option to opt out

If you have to get the Supreme Court involved, it's not simpler. Again, we're not talking about kids falling behind their peers in math and reading (quantifiable failures), we're talking about kids learning that gay people exist in books. It's not that deep.

That's incorrect.

Maybe this was the case in the 2000's, def not now

What are you basing this one?

Because here’s what research and experts say:

- Many parents do monitor their children's offline activities (e.g., knowing their friends, limiting outdoor play) but may underestimate online risks (e.g., cyberbullying, inappropriate content, predators).
- A 2021 Ofcom (UK) report found that while 85% of parents talked to their kids about online safety, only 39% used parental controls.
- A Pew Research study (2020) showed that 60% of U.S. parents checked their teens’ web history, but far fewer monitored social media interactions closely.

 

[MyApps]

If you have to get the Supreme Court involved, it's not simpler. Again, we're not talking about kids falling behind their peers in math and reading (quantifiable failures), we're talking about kids learning that gay people exist in books. It's not that deep.


What are you basing this one?

Because here’s what research and experts say:

- Many parents do monitor their children's offline activities (e.g., knowing their friends, limiting outdoor play) but may underestimate online risks (e.g., cyberbullying, inappropriate content, predators).
- A 2021 Ofcom (UK) report found that while 85% of parents talked to their kids about online safety, only 39% used parental controls.
- A Pew Research study (2020) showed that 60% of U.S. parents checked their teens’ web history, but far fewer monitored social media interactions closely.

You originally stated the internet. Most parents are fully aware of the dangers of the internet because WE grew up with it. And thus monitor it.


Social media is in its infant stage. This is a different story.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

You originally stated the internet. Most parents are fully aware of the dangers of the internet because WE grew up with it. And thus monitor it.

Maybe you should step your reading comprehension game up. Go back and read what you bolded and what i replied to after, with sources.

Social media is in its infant stage. This is a different story.

The internet is more than just web browsers and social media has been around for 2 decades; it's no longer in an infancy stage.

 

[Json]

I see the larger point all these lawsuits are attempting to get conservatives toward but in this instance the opt-out option is probably warranted.

We want parents active and involved in their schools then yeah they should get a say in how their young children are introduced to concepts.