"Superfly" HBO 9/9 P4P #1 King Sor-Chocolatito 2 / Cuadras-Estrada / Inoue-Nieves

[TheNig]

Even a supreme talent like Ward had the luxury of easing into 175 against guys like Paul Smith, Sullivan Barrera and Alexander Brand. What if he had to jump straight from168 in there against Adonis Stevenson?

I think you were spot in until the SOG part, at least in regards to Sullivan Barrera. I think we're slowly finding out that he's a great talent.

 

[patscorpio]

 

[Newzz]

@Newzz
Come on breh, the smaller the weight the greater the percentage of body weight we are talking about, which is why those 10lbs mean so much from minimumweight to Super flyweight.

Thats cool and all....but he was ranked the #1 fighter in the world, pound 4 pound. That means if he was the same size, he'd beat you right? But, once he became similar size, he struggled. He moved up only 3 lbs from where he was ranked #1 & immediately started to struggle.

Thats not a #1 p4p fighter to me over the likes of an Andre Ward like they had placed him.

 

[patscorpio]

 

[TheNig]

Did Estrada pick up a belt last night?

 

[David_TheMan]

Good discussion here. Part of the reason smaller fighters flame out quicker is they don't have the luxury of "testing the waters" and easing into divisions with exhibition fights. To maximize earnings, the best truly fight the best and quickly. That's why a guy like Inoue became a lineal champ in less than 10 fights and already has picked up titles in two different weight classes.

There isn't another fighter currently on the Pound 4 Pound list that's fought in four different weight classes, or faced a fighter on the level of a Cuadras for their first bout in a new weight class. When Manny hit his 4th weight class, his first fight was against the easiest available champ in David Diaz. Floyd did Sharmba Mitchell for his fourth weight class debut. History might have been different if they jumped and went in with the biggest threat available like Nate Campbell or Antonio Margarito.

Even a supreme talent like Ward had the luxury of easing into 175 against guys like Paul Smith, Sullivan Barrera and Alexander Brand. What if he had to jump straight from168 in there against Adonis Stevenson?

I'm of the opinion that you jump up in weight you should have to earn a title shot, not be gifted it because of what you did in another division.

That said, specifically regarding Manny, he started cherry picking 135 and up in who he fought and was carefully managed. Can't knock Floyd because he typically was going at the best in his divisions for the most part, outside of 154 where he fought only carefully selected guys.

 

[patscorpio]

Did Estrada pick up a belt last night?

no..hes king sor's mandatory

 

[David_TheMan]

Thats cool and all....but he was ranked the #1 fighter in the world, pound 4 pound. That means if he was the same size, he'd beat you right? But, once he became similar size, he struggled. He moved up only 3 lbs from where he was ranked #1 & immediately started to struggle.

Thats not a #1 p4p fighter to me over the likes of an Andre Ward like they had placed him.

P4P is only to give recognition to smaller guys, shyt never been literal.
I agree skill wise he isn't in Crawford, Ward, or lara's level and was greatly overrated in that facet.
That isn't his fault though, thats HBO

 

[GzUp]

Honestly when I heard he was pound for pound number 1 I had to go look up who he was.

 

[David_TheMan]

Did Estrada pick up a belt last night?

Nah it was a title eliminator for the Kang Sor belt I believe, so Sor will have to fight his mandatory Estrada and the winner can fight Inoue to unify.
I doubt that will happen though because Inoue probably won't even be in the division much longer.

 

[krackdagawd]

Honestly when I heard he was pound for pound number 1 I had to go look up who he was.

dat hbo marketing

 

[aceboon]

Good discussion here. Part of the reason smaller fighters flame out quicker is they don't have the luxury of "testing the waters" and easing into divisions with exhibition fights. To maximize earnings, the best truly fight the best and quickly. That's why a guy like Inoue became a lineal champ in less than 10 fights and already has picked up titles in two different weight classes.

There isn't another fighter currently on the Pound 4 Pound list that's fought in four different weight classes, or faced a fighter on the level of a Cuadras for their first bout in a new weight class. When Manny hit his 4th weight class, his first fight was against the easiest available champ in David Diaz. Floyd did Sharmba Mitchell for his fourth weight class debut. History might have been different if they jumped and went in with the biggest threat available like Nate Campbell or Antonio Margarito.

Even a supreme talent like Ward had the luxury of easing into 175 against guys like Paul Smith, Sullivan Barrera and Alexander Brand. What if he had to jump straight from168 in there against Adonis Stevenson?

Why are you lumping in Barrera with Smith and Brand? I think after he KO'd Shabransky and dominated Joe Smith its clear he's a lot better than given credit for, the fact that Main Events opted to not go in house and make Kovalev/Barrera as Kov's comeback fight and opted for Shabransky as the safer option should tell you about Barrera's status in the LHW division.

 

[Newzz]

P4P is only to give recognition to smaller guys, shyt never been literal.
I agree skill wise he isn't in Crawford, Ward, or lara's level and was greatly overrated in that facet.
That isn't his fault though, thats HBO

Thats my only issue.


Ive never said he was a bad fighter, he's definitely a good fight, he just he wasnt the best fighter p4p in the world.


And by "body weight"...he was 105 lbs. 10% of 105 is 10.5 pounds, which is 115.5 lbs. Ironically, he maxed out at 115 & was KOd.

On the otherhand, weve seen countless 135 lbers (10% is 13.5 lbs. 148.5 lbs.) go to 154 and still look dominate.

 

[David_TheMan]

Thats my only issue.


Ive never said he was a bad fighter, he's definitely a good fight, he just he wasnt the best fighter p4p in the world.


And by "body weight"...he was 105 lbs. 10% of 105 is 10.5 pounds, which is 115.5 lbs. Ironically, he maxed out at 115 & was KOd.

On the otherhand, weve seen countless 135 lbers (10% is 13.5 lbs. 148.5 lbs.) go to 154 and still look dominate.

Name a 135lb that dominated 154?
Only one I can think of that is close is Shane, but he didn't really dominated 154. Who are you thinking of? We both know Floyd has never been close to looking dominate at 154 with his fight selection.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Sor looked huge next to Chocolatito and from this pic Inoue is looking bigger than Sor. Inoue vs. Chocolatito would have been bad news, especially how Inoue's punches were sounding last night.