1.I never said you HAD to make anything. My point was if you give up rights,owner ship and over 80% of your record sales for a boost into mainstream viewership,THEN YOU ALREADY sold out.
That's worse than owning your company and making a handful of party records to promote your album. Which is usually full of lyrical gems like The Greatest rapper alive gives us.
2.Did the streets feel Illmatic,not really. Maybe a few queens bridge streets and other east coast purists. But it flopped in real time. nas himself was disappointed. Which is why he switched up immediately and start Getting jiggy like BAD BOY records. Hell, he switched up before jay did.
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[Verse Three]
This goes out for those that choose to use
disrespectful views on the King of NY
fukk that, why try, throw bleach in your eye
Now ya braille in it, stash that light shyt, or scalin it
Conscience of ya nonsense in eighty-eight
Sold more powder than Johnson and Johnson
Tote steel like Bronson, "Vigilante"
You wanna get on son, you need to ask me
Ain't no other king in this rap thing
They siblings, nothing but my chil'ren
One shot, they disappearin
It's ill when, MC's used to be on cruddy shyt
Took home, "Ready to Die," listened, studied shyt
Now they on some money shyt, successful out the blue
They light weight, fragilly, my nine milly
make the white shake, thats why my money never funny
And you still recoupin, stupid {*echoes*}"
nikkas really think THEY make the rules.
What if some old school hip purists thought it was corny or a sell out move to sample vocals and not just the drums or not just the groove?
Would you ride with that? Can't knock the hustle bro.
3.Jay-z handled this rap game better than anyone ever. Though my favorite is Pac.
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5.Who cares,nikkas can do what they want.
6.We covered this already. born in the 70's. fukked with all aspects of the culture in the 80's.
7.fukk mos def. Who cares. You're not the sell out rule maker.
8.Cause they're white? New kids (as corny as they are) were closer to hiphop than jody watley
Now, I know you're lying about being a Hip-Hop head. New Kids on the Block were the biggest example of White cultural appropriation of the '80s. Dudes only existed to be a White version of New Edition. They were LITERALLY a cash grab made for suburban audiences.
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1. A message like what though?1. WRONG. If you can use mainstream distribution to spread a real message, then that's the exact opposite of a sellout.
2. LMAO, "Illmatic" was not a flop to the STREETS. That's how I know you're a fraud. It's considered the greatest rap album of all-time, got 5 mics in the Source (when it meant something) and went GOLD (which was good for the time). Hadcore rappers weren't expeted to go double platinum back them. Guys like Snoop & Dre & Cube were the exception, not the rule back then. Dudes like Game, Kendrick Lamar, and virtually ever other head in the game considers it as almost the bible of Hip-HOp. fukk mainstream acceptance!
East Coast nikkaz weren't even trying to make pop records (outside of an LL or somebody) at that point. I bet you consider "Enta Da Stage" & "36 Chambers" flops too because they didn't debut at no.1 on the charts. Biggie's the one who changed the game for East Coast pop sales AFTER "Illmatic" came out.
3. IF by "handling the game" you mean making Hip-HOp a watered down sellout genre where rappers sell Kit-Kat bars to suburban housewives, then yes, he handled the game. And 2pac thought Jay was a sellout, so
5. No, nikkaz can't do what they want. They didn't invent or build Hip-Hop. If you want to do what you want then don't call yourself Hip-Hop. nikkaz like you would've defended Vanilla Ice.
6. I don't believe you. You need more people.
7. You're right. I'm not the sellout rule maker. nikkaz made those rules YEARS ago. Check out how nikkaz checked Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and even LL Cool J, when he sold out.
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Dude, go up to heavy metal heads, punk rockers, or country heads and tell them there's no such thing as "selling out"
Only pop apologists and uncle toms think there's no such thing as selling out.
Who's rooting for underachievement? Did Public Enemy & Eric B. & Rakim "underachieve"?
No, they made real Hip-Hop for REAL Hip-Hop heads WHILE on major labels.
Jay-Z dumbs down his lyrics to sell records to suburban Whites. That's not Black music. That's cultural plunder, just like what Berry Gordy did.
Now, I'm not gonna tell you not to like the music, but don't pretend it's something that it's not.
Flo-Rida is the epitome of a wack ass sellout and should not be held up as anything but a pop artist.
1. WRONG. If you can use mainstream distribution to spread a real message, then that's the exact opposite of a sellout.
2. LMAO, "Illmatic" was not a flop to the STREETS. That's how I know you're a fraud. It's considered the greatest rap album of all-time, got 5 mics in the Source (when it meant something) and went GOLD (which was good for the time). Hadcore rappers weren't expeted to go double platinum back them. Guys like Snoop & Dre & Cube were the exception, not the rule back then. Dudes like Game, Kendrick Lamar, and virtually ever other head in the game considers it as almost the bible of Hip-HOp. fukk mainstream acceptance!
East Coast nikkaz weren't even trying to make pop records (outside of an LL or somebody) at that point. I bet you consider "Enta Da Stage" & "36 Chambers" flops too because they didn't debut at no.1 on the charts. Biggie's the one who changed the game for East Coast pop sales AFTER "Illmatic" came out.
3. IF by "handling the game" you mean making Hip-HOp a watered down sellout genre where rappers sell Kit-Kat bars to suburban housewives, then yes, he handled the game. And 2pac thought Jay was a sellout, so
5. No, nikkaz can't do what they want. They didn't invent or build Hip-Hop. If you want to do what you want then don't call yourself Hip-Hop. nikkaz like you would've defended Vanilla Ice.
6. I don't believe you. You need more people.
7. You're right. I'm not the sellout rule maker. nikkaz made those rules YEARS ago. Check out how nikkaz checked Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and even LL Cool J, when he sold out.
8.
Dude, go up to heavy metal heads, punk rockers, or country heads and tell them there's no such thing as "selling out"
Only pop apologists and uncle toms think there's no such thing as selling out.
Who's rooting for underachievement? Did Public Enemy & Eric B. & Rakim "underachieve"?
No, they made real Hip-Hop for REAL Hip-Hop heads WHILE on major labels.
Jay-Z dumbs down his lyrics to sell records to suburban Whites. That's not Black music. That's cultural plunder, just like what Berry Gordy did.
Now, I'm not gonna tell you not to like the music, but don't pretend it's something that it's not.
Flo-Rida is the epitome of a wack ass sellout and should not be held up as anything but a pop artist.
By the way,when Prof Griff made a comment that made jews mad. Chuck let him get kicked out the group. Yet has stood by Flavor flav through out all the shyt he's done
Ok So listen to the Jay songs,that you don't consider sell out songs.
1.Kendrick isnt dropping any real game,or taking any hardline stances on anything. He just has faux militant song titles and video/award show theatrics. I'm wrong?
Dropping game,what I mean is giving an analytical perspective or information on something.Dude, what do you mean by "dropping real game"? Dude's a hell of an MC. I never said he was Public Enemy. He's not supposed to be Public Enemy.
Matter of fact, his image is as a regular dude (not gangsta or revolutionary) from Compton, a Christian, and a Black man trying to work shyt out. That was where kanye fukked up. Kanye started off as a regular dude from Chicago, who was smart enough not to be a gangabanger or one of the faux militant types. Kendrick is closer to early Kanye or a younger Nas (before he went gangsta with his Escobar persona) than he is to Public Enemy or Paris or somebody.
Why do you fake nikkaz try to act like us who rock with the dude are claiming he's Che Guevara or something?
And if "Blacker The Berry" isnt going in, then what is? It's 900X more militant than anything the c00n that you're sticking up for in this thread has ever done in 25 years in the spotlight.
I gotta love how you telling me that Vanilla Ice and New Kids on the Block are some how authentic and real, but Kendrick isn't
1. I didnt ask you what kendrick's song was about.
