Stop hiding behind our Ancestors

[GoAggieGo.]

Do we have the overall blessings of the natives of these current African countries to invest and build?

I think, instead of relying on information from those who have migrated from those countries, we should go directly to the source and find out their feelings. I don’t want to hear from their leaders, either, because we know there’s corruption there.

 

[GoAggieGo.]

Hell, if Black Americans aren’t very receptive to things like gentrification and culture appropriation, then I know those currently in the African countries probably feel the same about their lands.

 

[CopiousX]

I think this is where i break with a lot of people because politically and economically im a libertarian on the anarcho-capitalist side.

So the notion of a oligarchy simply doesnt mesh with me vecause they always reaylt in a kleptocracy. Again in my opinion its better to have a unified goal and let individuals aeek the best way to reach it, but having a ruling class is the quickest way to being a slave to that class or being misled by that class.

I dont see the xoncept as practical or useful in a society built on individual freedom and rrspect if there is a good idea preaent it and let the people decide if they want to go with it.

I have no problem with buying and holding politicians accountable, tou dont need a ruling class to do so, so why not disregard it and simly vote or buy politicially directly from the people, not through a buffer class.

People who want to be with us will be with us and dependant on us for our exonomic power, we dont need a ruling buffer class to do that.

As for Huey, i think he was misguided, enitely the whe panther movement was coopted from the beginning.

I think the NoI had a far bettsr education plan, eapecially minus the religion. Sadly what they were trying to do was sabotaged by the government and their effectiveness lost.

Id take more malcolms and khalid muhhamods that huey newtons anyday in terms of vrothers with moral character, self discipline, and vision for whete we ahould be going. Thats just my opinion though.

. A lot of loaded terms up in there. I can neither disagree or agree; nor can I learn and apply the above info without a definition of terms. Can you break down what these terms mean to you?




Fuller warns us that words are tools. Little boxes to keep concepts together. He hit on this recently about the varying definition of "jew", "socialist", "communist", and "democracy" depending on who says it. Gotta parse through the terms like live-wire, especially when white people coin a phrase.




Could you restate your ideal black govt and economic system, without the catch-all phrases? So we are hopefully on the same page?

 

[CopiousX]

Splitting up, and completely assimilating to whatever culture we decide to move into.

Im not with that. We talk about our ancestors; their plan involves us erasing all of our American culture.

Where do you draw the line between moving there and assimilating there?



Assuming you chose an English speaking country, what about your current culture would change? From the few times I've been to the continent, their top10 charts include Drake and Rick Ross. There are kfc(s) and pizza huts all over. Style in Brooklyn and College Park is identical to Mombasa and Abuja.
Some silly random in Nairobi tried to spit game at me with a beanie on(at 85°).




Except for minor changes in politeness/courtesy I didnt notice much different. At the airport, i compared notes with brehs from Tennessee and they said the only different thing was that locals seemed to only wear daishikis/lesos/traditional clothes on Sunday morning.

 

[David_TheMan]

. A lot of loaded terms up in there. I can neither disagree or agree; nor can I learn and apply the above info without a definition of terms. Can you break down what these terms mean to you?




Fuller warns us that words are tools. Little boxes to keep concepts together. He hit on this recently about the varying definition of "jew", "socialist", "communist", and "democracy" depending on who says it. Gotta parse through the terms like live-wire, especially when white people coin a phrase.




Could you restate your ideal black govt and economic system, without the catch-all phrases? So we are hopefully on the same page?

None of the terms you bolded are loaded terms.

Libertarian: political ideology that favors a government under the state to a form as small as possible or not at all. Economically favors free market exonomy with little to no government regulation.

Anarch-capitalist : political belief that favora dissution of the state and favors anarchy as rule of government, ie voluntary society between individuals. Capitalist exonomic syatem, ie private ownership and management of goods and services, where economic exchange occurs voluntarily

Oligarchy: rule by small group

Kleptocracy: rule by government that is corrupt and dishinest, that steals and enriches itself at expense of citizens.

If you dont know what a term means, its okay to say i dont know what that means, we cant just keep it 100% and direct.

As for my ideal of black society its a anarcho-capitalist society where blacks are free to persue our own individual self interest free from the fear of being attacked by whites or terrorized by criminals within our community.

 

[CopiousX]

None of the terms you bolded are loaded terms.

Libertarian: political ideology that favors a government under the state to a form as small as possible or not at all. Economically favors free market exonomy with little to no government regulation.

Anarch-capitalist : political belief that favora dissution of the state and favors anarchy as rule of government, ie voluntary society between individuals. Capitalist exonomic syatem, ie private ownership and management of goods and services, where economic exchange occurs voluntarily

Oligarchy: rule by small group

Kleptocracy: rule by government that is corrupt and dishinest, that steals and enriches itself at expense of citizens.

If you dont know what a term means, its okay to say i dont know what that means, we cant just keep it 100% and direct.

As for my ideal of black society its a anarcho-capitalist society where blacks are free to persue our own individual self interest free from the fear of being attacked by whites or terrorized by criminals within our community.

Breh, if I can give the same term to a Fox reporter, a CNN reporter, and a white college kid but get different definitions/views then it’s a loaded term. Particularly because of the emotions they bring out in people.


( I apologize for using imprecise language myself with the phrase “loaded”)








Beyond that, would you consider the US a more or less libertarian government before 1930 and after reconstruction ?

 

[David_TheMan]

Breh, if I can give the same term to a Fox reporter, a CNN reporter, and a white college kid but get different definitions/views then it’s a loaded term. Particularly because of the emotions they bring out in people.


( I apologize for using imprecise language myself with the phrase “loaded”)








Beyond that, would you consider the US a more or less libertarian government before 1930 and after reconstruction ?

US has never been a libertarian govt or close to one, except when it was under the Articles of Confederation, but they killed that quickly and of course you cant be libeetarian as a slave holding nation.

So to answer you question specifically I would not consider the US more or less libertarian in government before 1930 and after reconstruction.

 

[CopiousX]

US has never been a libertarian govt or close to one, except when it was under the Articles of Confederation, but they killed that quickly and of course you cant be libeetarian as a slave holding nation.

So to answer you question specifically I would not consider the US more or less libertarian in government before 1930 and after reconstruction.

This is the kind of clarification I was searching for earlier. It was hard to arrive at that point soley on the definition you shared earlier.


Now I'm a little confused. On a national government level, werent we subject to being slaves because of the absence of govt intervention?



At what point does regulation become a bad thing or a good thing, especially in regard to a black governmental structure?

 

[David_TheMan]

This is the kind of clarification I was searching for earlier. It was hard to arrive at that point soley on the definition you shared earlier.


Now I'm a little confused. On a national government level, werent we subject to being slaves because of the absence of govt intervention?



At what point does regulation become a bad thing or a good thing, especially in regard to a black governmental structure?

I dont believe anti slavary is a hard conclusion to come to with a society bases on free association,but that clarifies it, thats good .

We were slaves by colonial, state, and national state mandate. So tying government to alavery doesnt fit, becaise the gocernment in republics/democracies reflect the will of the people, wether the people admit it or not.

To me regulation isnt a bad thing,it is neutral. it boils down to voluntary action or coercion.

Which leads to the central tennant of anacaps, the Non Aggression Principle, NAP, this states.violence or threat of violence against anyone or their property whi has not aggresses against them is weong absolutely.

Voluntary regulation is fine, like trade unions, underwriters lab testing, kosher regs, industry regulation, etx.

State regulation not so, because its authority has no legitimacy in the matter of two individuals trading good and services.

My ideal black govt structure is different than others, ao for me ideally refulations would be a matter of private contract and not a state

 

[dat aint da same sandwich]

A safe haven in Africa? Most Black Americans don’t even have the money to afford a ticket to any parts of Africa, let alone, the money to spend an extended period of time in a safe haven.

We’d be much better off with safe havens here in the US; which most do have. It’s your family, and that place everyone gathers to during family reunions. My safe haven is in NC. I have always been taught by my father that if shyt goes down, head to my grandma and grandpas house. That is where we all gather. There is no place in this world that is truly safe for us. So, you make do with what you got, and you build upon the building blocks that are already in place aka our ancestors.

If there is one critique I’d have with present day Black Americans, is that we have strayed further and further from family. We have safe havens.

people are so stupid that they can't understand how lineage supersedes melanin levels.

these are the same people who wanted us to take return trips "home" to Ghana, without acknowledging the fact that Ghana's economy is in a shambles.

these are the same people who wanted us to take a return trip to Ghana without acknowledging that the trip alone was 5k+, which most americans don't have, let alone black americans. the shyt was effectively a cash grab for an inflated Ghanan tourist industry. you had cats like boyce watkins and other idiots behind this, so it's not to be taken serious.

all of Phils conjecture is mired in personal opinion rather than facts or objective data so it's null anyway. again, he serves a much better purpose as a news regurgitater.

Phil also has moneys tied into these return home trips. personal investment. trying to shame us and force us to overlook our ancestors contributions is garbage. we can talk about moving to africa when we have the resources and military strength to defend our stakes in Africa. there was a sister murdered by Africans over a land deed. not to mention large portions of the infrastructure (FDIC backing) for example are nonexistent in Africa. these cats romanticize Africa as if it's not comprised of over 50+ countries and thousands of petty tribes.

the shaming thing is garbage. i see i'm gonna have to make a youtube and really start going at people.

This also concerns me and those Pan-African types never address this.

So if hundreds or thousands of ADOS or other Diasporans move to a particular African nation how that will impact the locals? We would essentially be coming in to live and enjoy a higher quality of life than the locals. That is not good for them especially if the outsiders are not creating jobs there or helping to improve the country.

This video perfectly reflects my thoughts in answer to your posts:

 

[SupremexKing]

This video perfectly reflects my thoughts in answer to your posts:

dude talks about strawmen, but he starts this video off with a straw man.

who said anything about a reverse atlantic slave trade? no one even insinuated moving all 50 million black people. most black people wouldn't want to go, and alot of these nikkas aren't deserving to go.

my question is: who is providing the funding? who has the military might and vessels to get us safely from here to there? who is going to create the schools, teachings and wisdom required to deprogram the black minds that will be needed to make this happen?

these are logistical questions, not an attack on moving to Africa. i wish i could live elsewhere, where i didn't have to deal with other groups. however, we are not african. Africans are mired in tribalism. what are we going to do with these 2-5%, that are going to "establish shyt". how are they going to establish shyt, in a foreign land, with no military might?

i mean honestly are you dudes serious about popping something off, or is the goal just to endlessly debate other black people to avoid directly challenging white supremacy?

 

[dat aint da same sandwich]

dude talks about strawmen, but he starts this video off with a straw man.

who said anything about a reverse atlantic slave trade? no one even insinuated moving all 50 million black people. most black people wouldn't want to go, and alot of these nikkas aren't deserving to go.

my question is: who is providing the funding? who has the military might and vessels to get us safely from here to there? who is going to create the schools, teachings and wisdom required to deprogram the black minds that will be needed to make this happen?

these are logistical questions, not an attack on moving to Africa. i wish i could live elsewhere, where i didn't have to deal with other groups. however, we are not african. Africans are mired in tribalism. what are we going to do with these 2-5%, that are going to "establish shyt". how are they going to establish shyt, in a foreign land, with no military might?

i mean honestly are you dudes serious about popping something off, or is the goal just to endlessly debate other black people to avoid directly challenging white supremacy?

yeah we're serious, and no to the last part of your question.

obviously "military might" is something that would have to be established as well as all the other stuff you mentioned. You not the only one who knows how the world works. Those who don't want to invest or have any parts of Africa won't. It's that simple. Others will be making moves that will benefit them and their families in the US. Africans are "mired in tribalism" yet there's black diasporans who live in or have business and property in Ghana and other countries that are doing just fine. You can have your cake and eat it by remaining in the US and benefiting from what's on the continent.

If you don't want to move or have any business dealings with Africa, then don't. The rest of us will. I'm not gonna miss out for emotional reasons while everybody else like the non blacks is snapping up opportunities.

 

[SupremexKing]

yeah we're serious, and no to the last part of your question.

obviously "military might" is something that would have to be established as well as all the other stuff you mentioned. You not the only one who knows how the world works. Those who don't want to invest or have any parts of Africa won't. It's that simple. Others will be making moves that will benefit them and their families in the US. Africans are "mired in tribalism" yet there's black diasporans who live in or have business and property in Ghana and other countries that are doing just fine. You can have your cake and eat it by remaining in the US and benefiting from what's on the continent.

If you don't want to move or have any business dealings with Africa, then don't. The rest of us will. I'm not gonna miss out for emotional reasons while everybody else like the non blacks is snapping up opportunities.

where specifically did i say i was against moving to africa? i was directly addressing the video. i actually said i'd rather live in africa than in america. you're getting a tad bit emotional, as if you personally created the video. the truth of the matter (as determined by the history of countries like angola, nigeria and others) is that africa IS mired in tribalism. thats not a subjective statement. its actual factual. there's a big difference between becoming a citizen of a state, and creating an ados state in africa, which is what the video was insinuating.

also nowhere did i say anything about not investing or moving to africa. again, there is a huge difference between being a citizen and becoming part of a state, and creating your own, which is what the video is speaking about. did you not watch the video you posted?

where was i emotional? me bringing up valid points about having the might to protect your investments is emotional? ironic. you dudes really can't converse without strawmen.
is the goal to participate in a state, or create one? simple question. extremely simple. let me know.

 

[dat aint da same sandwich]

where specifically did i say i was against moving to africa? i was directly addressing the video. i actually said i'd rather live in africa than in america. you're getting a tad bit emotional, as if you personally created the video. the truth of the matter (as determined by the history of countries like angola, nigeria and others) is that africa IS mired in tribalism. thats not a subjective statement. its actual factual. there's a big difference between becoming a citizen of a state, and creating an ados state in africa, which is what the video was insinuating.

also nowhere did i say anything about not investing or moving to africa. again, there is a huge difference between being a citizen and becoming part of a state, and creating your own, which is what the video is speaking about. did you not watch the video you posted?

where was i emotional? me bringing up valid points about having the might to protect your investments is emotional? ironic. you dudes really can't converse without strawmen.
is the goal to participate in a state, or create one? simple question. extremely simple. let me know.

Yes I watched the video. You're the one on some "you dudes" shyt and keep saying we use "strawman arguments". When did I say YOU were emotional? Yet you accuse me of it lol.

Those interested in Africa aren't a monolith. Some are interested in participating in a state or simply moving there, some are interested in creating a state. Some just wanna get the hell out the west, some want homes both here and on the continent. Personally I want to set up a business and own land and property there eventually.

 

[SupremexKing]

Yes I watched the video. You're the one on some "you dudes" shyt and keep saying we use "strawman arguments". When did I say YOU were emotional? Yet you accuse me of it lol.

Those interested in Africa aren't a monolith. Some are interested in participating in a state or simply moving there, some are interested in creating a state. Some just wanna get the hell out the west, some want homes both here and on the continent. Personally I want to set up a business and own land and property there eventually.

when i say you dudes, i meant the video that you posted stating that he summarized your thoughts on the topic. why say he summarizes your thoughts on the topic, if he doesn't? when i say you dudes i specifically mean you and him, since you said you aligned directly with him.

since you're talking to me, theres no point in talking about others being emotional, unless you're insinuating that i'm being emotional.

in the video, dude is talking about setting shyt up. i'm still waiting on you to explain where the military might comes in to defend your property and business. that is the end all be all.

force. where is the force coming from?