Stop calling my culture "Hip-Hop"

mobbinfms

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Nothing I said was ridiculous. At all.

We don't need your wrap up nikka... You ain't nobody. You don't know your history. We in here teaching you.

Don't call me teaching you your history ridiculous. Ungrateful fukk...

Go read a book. Cause you didn't know ANY OF THIS
You haven't taught anyone anything in this thread.
The only thing I learned from this thread was that Disco DJs were playing breakbeats before hip hop DJs. And that came from @IllmaticDelta
You've made so many ridiculous claims in this thread and not provided any evidence to support them.
Many of them have been knocked down by @IllmaticDelta
 

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I read and watch hem all
I'm convince you two are fukking each other
Just too much dikk riding. It's surpassed heterosexual levels
Why don't you address the substance of what is being said in the videos then?
:scust:at the rest.
 

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You keep posting videos of nikkas pretending to invent something and i keep showing you were else it exist...
Nobody is disputing that the different elements that make up hip hop all have their own distinct origins before NY in the 70s. But nobody was putting them all together in the fashion it was done in NY in the 70s.
 

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Emcee and a selector existed in Jamaica and Miami if not simultaneous, BEFORE New York.
Are you saying that toasting was the same as rapping as it developed in the 70s in NY? Didn't @IllmaticDelta already post videos showing the difference?
And where is the receipt for this claim about Miami - I've literally been asking for proof of this claim since page 1 of this thread :russ:
 

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I didn't say they came up with the term.
The term is for white people to make money.

You keep saying this but it's false

Let's reestablish my position:

Rapping was not invent in New York

True it was a part of afram music on RECORD since the 1920's


Rapping over music was not invented in New York

see above


The use of breakbeats was not invented in New York,

Breabeats are just Funk records. The actual act of highlighting the break down part of a record came from NYC Disco culture


but rapping over them may have been invented in New York, possibly by a Jamaican

False. No Jamaican's were rapping (syncopated to the beat) in Jamaica or NYC. All the OG's,including Herc himself agree with that

Now to get a description of what Herc and his 2 sidemen were doing on the mic..The first people to "rap" in the Bronx scence were members of the Furious Five. These were people like Melle Mel and Cowboy

Quote from Scorpio one of the founding members to the group, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5



JQ : Furious was one of the original groups outside of the Herculords right ?

SC : With the Herculords - Timmy Tim & Coke La Rock they never rhymed ; they just said lil phrases like "yes yall youre now listening to the sounds of Kool Herc and the Herculords" . But we were the first group in the Bronx to do full rhymes to the beat . If we own any patent ,its that rhymin' to the beat
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Quote From Kool Herc on how rapping started








With that in mind I wondered something: If Coke La Rock (Kool Herc’s MC) was just spittin’ little phrases on the mike, not full all out rhymes as we know it today, then who was the first real MC spittin’ lyric for lyric on beat with a continuous flow?

“Mr. Herc,” I asked him as I scratched my head and searched for the right words. “I’m curious about something.” I said, “Who was the first person that you saw rap as we know it today?”

Just then at that moment a warm smile enveloped Kool Herc’s street hardened face. He looked out the window across the street at Lake Merritt, almost as if he was looking back at that day, in a quiet voice he said, “It was Mele Mel… Mele Mel and Kid Creole. They were at a boxing gym on 169th St, in the Fort Apache area, as a matter of fact, it was the last place that I seen Big Pun alive at.”

In a quiet and almost somber voice he recalled the events while sometimes taking a pause to look down at his battle scarred hands. “They was in the middle of a boxing ring with these big Afro’s… Kid Creole, as little as he is, had one too. Flash was behind them cuttin’. When I saw them I just smiled cause I knew where they got it from…they got it from me. And they knew that they got it from me. I wasn’t mad. Mele Mel saw me in the crowd and just nodded at me. I laughed to myself.”

It must’ve been one helluva moment.

Hanging above the dimly lit gym was a thick cloud of smoke; it was a pungent mixture of cigarettes and reefer laced with angel dust. Stoned out dust heads tripped out as the dazzling display of flashing lights played psychedelic tricks on their minds. In the red light haze surrounded by stick up kids, gangsters and hyperactive b-boys Kool Herc got to see the first steps of his creation taking on a new dimension, as brothers Mele Mel and Creole were laying down the foundation for rap, as we know it today..






Hip Hop 101A: Once Upon A Time In The Bronx: The Rise of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five

Quote from Kevie Kev the captain of the L- Brothers, Leader of the Fantastic Four and Five M.C.s and a member once of the Furious Five M.C.s. This interview is very telling because it explains why what he call "rappers" today were called "emcees" in the Herc Bronx scene.


Q -The first m.c. you heard on the mic was one of Herc’s boy’s?



A -No, no, they wasn’t really m.c.ing, they just use to talk on the mic. The first m.c.’s I saw was Creole and Mele Mel.



Q- So what about Coke La Rock, did he also just talk on the mic?



A - Yeah he used to talk on the mic, little slurs or what ever, but he was like the strong arm to Herc’s crew. He was like the voice unheard, you know what I am saying, the low. That’s my man.



Q - As far as an m.c., did he get down like ya’ll did, because I have a lot of people that ask me about Coke La Rock?



A - No, it’s different, it was totally different. If we used to try to rhyme, he used to just talk.



(interviewer) Right.



A -Like a real m.c., a master of ceremony.
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Definition of Master of Ceremonies (MC)



A Master of Ceremonies (MC or emcee), or Compère, is the official host of a staged event or similar performance. An MC usually presents performers, speaks to the audience, and generally keeps the event moving

This is exactly what Herc and his 2 sidemen were doing in the early days in the Bronx. At that point, there were no rappers=syncopated talking that rhymes while flowing to a beat/music . Rappers in the modern sense did exist with the Disco DJ's though. You didn't have rappers in the Bronx/herc scene before Melle Mel and Cowboy.

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Read Grandmaster Caz's and Grandmaster Flash's thought on the early MC's and where rapping came from below. Afrika Baambaata alos cites some influences

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Djing parties in the park happen in Jamaica before New York.
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Emcee and a selector existed in Jamaica and Miami if not simultaneous, BEFORE New York.

emcee and selector was already a part of black american radio, exactly where Jamaica picked up all it;s influences that led to what they call toasting but even, that's rapping/hiphop

No matter the form of dance, dancing by a black sub culture is not exclusive to New York.

Hiphop dance has it's roots in Jazz and Funk dance...I already stated this


There are similarities in Bboying and Capoeria. Ancient African breakdancing. Hell. Its played to a specific instrument and the tempo determines the movements. It's been around since 1500. And a Capoeria master moved to New York in 1973.

not this shyt that already debunked, again:martin:



Clothing and language approriating are features of hip hop that exist throughout history where ever the African was taken.

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Every. Single. Destinctive feature of hip hop has existed before hip hop. Nothing. Was. Invented.

yes, they already existed inside of Afram culture



And y'all just gotta deal with it
You need to take your own advice and stop with the reaching:sas1:
 

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It may be time for us to abandon hip hop. It is stifling black creativity and it died over a decade ago..it's now just a zombie.
 

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Nobody is disputing that the different elements that make up hip hop all have their own distinct origins before NY in the 70s. But nobody was putting them all together in the fashion it was done in NY in the 70s.

This is wrong. Lol. Nobody had white people and record labels located next door looking to capitolize
 
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