Stop calling my culture "Hip-Hop"

[Juneya]

The onus is on you to prove that it did happen. It's your claim.

The guy that opened the first Capoeria school moved to New York in the early 1970s lol

 

[Budda]

This thread is informative because of certain posts, but its kinda like saying 'duh' obviously everything is a continuation of everything, john Henrik Clarke said What happened 500 years ago, 50 years ago or 5 minutes ago, impacts what happens 5 minutes from now, 50 years from now and 500 years from now. All of history is a current event.”

Black people have a long and broad history, if you go back long enough you would find the roots of every modern art and practice, so what? That doesn't Hip Hop isn't a New York thing, because it is.

 

[Newportbox]

Lol if I was lame I would hit you with the cam you mad.

I was just in that Nas thread where you are trying to convince people Young Thug > Nas. GTFOH.

 

[mobbinfms]

Lol was kinda bipolar... Was being funny...

New Orleans? New Orleans is the only place in North America where slaves where allowed to meet. Sale goods. And play the drum. The drum was not allowed to slaves in North America. So you could preserve your history. So you could revolt like the Haitians did the French.

But in New Orleans. They were allowed to play the drum. meet in clubs.
In New Orleans.... They had the ferry with Cuba. The first slave colony. Slaves from both areas not only traded news and stories. But music. Not just rap. But sheet music. For piano players. The drum was banned here. The clubs jumped with slaves and freeman from all the slave colonies in New Orleans.

And then Jazz happen. Between Havanna and New Orleans. So not only was rap happening. Not only was the drum happening, ((which most slaves are from the Middle Africa. Middle Africa is dense Forrest and the drum is prevalent. If they were from Northern Africa, there would be less drum and more Arabic/Muslim influence in the music.)).... Slaves were buying there freedom in New Orleans

Rapping was happening in New Orleans
Drumming
Dancing
Early Pimps in the red light district. The first red light district lol. Before the fire.
Jazz
Congo square


New Orleans is dope man... The more I read the more I realized. It's where it all started musically. Because of the freedom. Because it was a French/Spanish/and BRITISH colony.

So you are saying that NO is the mecca for African American music? That historically conditions existed that allowed for art to foster?
I'm not gonna contest that.
Now are you arguing specifically that hip hop (as the configuration we see in NY in the mid 70s) existed in NO prior to hip hop in NY? If so, receipts?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Bboying: competitive dance. Happens almost everywhere the African was taken. But it is extremely similar to the ancient fight dance of Capoeria in Brazil's .

Bboying and competitive dance are not one in the same

Looping breakbeats: started in Jamaica.

never happened

Graffiti: art? Yes Africans made art everywhere they went. Just because you urbanized it doesn't make it a different act

HipHop graffiti has it's own vocab which makes kit different from ancient drawing on walls

Park Jams: definitely part of black culture to come together and dance. Once a week. The club. The Congo square in NO. Haiti vodou ceremonies. Social clubs in Cuba.

The level of reaching going on

Even gang lifestyle: is an cultural thing that predates the USA by hundreds of years.

 

[untaintedbeats]

OP sounds bitter....about NYC history.....smh...

 

[mobbinfms]

The culture as a whole is a compound unit...

You gotta clarify what you mean by this post.

 

[untaintedbeats]

Much respect to cats from the south with confidence and can give credit were due and not hide behind some lame argument...this cat making yall look bad..

 

[mobbinfms]

By eliminated the "hip hop" purist.

Aren't "purists" taking an interest in preserving culture? Almost by definition?

 

[mobbinfms]

And in 1970s a Brazilian came here that was a master caperiora.

Who?
Receipts?

 

[Juneya]

Ok. So you are acknowledging that NYC had this thing called hip hop in the 70s, but your argument is that it has no relation to what's happening today? So when did "hip hop" end? What were the records that were labeled "hip hop" but weren't?

Hmm.
I think "hip hop" was an concept by the New York media and record labels to sell records. I don't think they understood culture. They just saw dollars. The promotion of it as something you could buy, is what New York created.

Clothing music and dancing are tied together every other place the African went.

It's misleading to black people of New York City because they don't know history, and were receiving glory. So it was in their best interest to not acknowledge influences, but they honestly might not have been fully aware.

I don't think the Word hip hop is anything more than the title of a marketing plan. To sell records.

I think in 1970 culture met new technology met Jewish greed.

 

[mobbinfms]

If both are similar. But there was no contact. Then the culture existed before. It's not something you made up. It's something that is in you. It's African dance.

But can't what's in you be manifested in dramatically different ways?

 

[kingdizzy01]

The guy that opened the first Capoeria school moved to New York in the early 1970s lol

did he move to the bronx? you mean to tell me poor black kids, aside from the struggle of growing up with little, were spending the little money they had to take capoeria lessons so they can rename it breakin? receipts?



im done. op is trollin, verified in other threads. young thug > nas

 

[Poitier]

which most slaves are from the Middle Africa

In America? This isn't true.

 

[mobbinfms]

Hmm.
I think "hip hop" was an concept by the New York media and record labels to sell records. I don't think they understood culture. They just saw dollars. The promotion of it as something you could buy, is what New York created.

Clothing music and dancing are tied together every other place the African went.

It's misleading to black people of New York City because they don't know history, and were receiving glory. So it was in their best interest to not acknowledge influences, but they honestly might not have been fully aware.

I don't think the Word hip hop is anything more than the title of a marketing plan. To sell records.

I think in 1970 culture met new technology met Jewish greed.

So if it was a media concept, what was the basis for it? You say "the promotion of it"...what is it?