Stephen Espinoza: 3 months ago, we offered Arum $40 million with 35% PPV and they havent accepted

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oh now the 35% cut is the problem after he lost to Bradley and got :deadmanny: ?

Manny had losses before the the bradley(which wasn't even a loss) fight so whats your point nikka?? Floyd is not that much bigger of a draw than Manny is... we want a 45-45 split with the the extra 10% going to the winner... We not switching up our terms and demands every year
 

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50 cent - floyds ex bff and member of the money team


You need me to post the vid too??

Manny cant negotiate without a manager present btw.. Koncz already went to Floyds gym before the phone call and Floyd wasn't trying to let up off the back end..


tf does 50 cent have to do with the conversation:dahell:

But lemme get this straight Floyd was ducking cuz he left so much money on the table...then WTF is Manny doin saying No to 40Milly AND 35% PPV:heh:

There was no way to negotiate the back end cuz Manny chose NOT to negotiate

Then later Koncz offered Floyd 50 million 55/45 ppvs to the winner...like Koncz is somebody to offer anybody anything:russ:
 

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Manny had losses before the the bradley(which wasn't even a loss) fight so whats your point nikka?? Floyd is not that much bigger of a draw than Manny is... we want a 45-45 split with the the extra 10% going to the winner... We not switching up our terms and demands every year

Floyd IS the bigger draw, he always has been hence why you boy is fighting in bumblefukk China.

What is Pacmans purse against Algieri? :sas1:

If the problem is with the % why wouldn't Arum say something instead of not responding at all? Other than he has NO interest in making this fight?

I ain't going back and forth with you in this you took an L here, nothing else to say really.
 

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Floyd IS the bigger draw, he always has been hence why you boy is fighting in bumblefukk China.

What is Pacmans purse against Algieri? :sas1:

If the problem is with the % why wouldn't Arum say something instead of not responding at all? Other than he has NO interest in making this fight?

I ain't going back and forth with you in this you took an L here, nothing else to say really.

Arum did respond... He said Espinoza was never part of negotiations. :yeshrug:

Pac fighting in China has to do with avoiding the high international tax.... If Floyd fought Rios in Chino, numbers would be similar to Manny's
 

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tf does 50 cent have to do with the conversation:dahell:

But lemme get this straight Floyd was ducking cuz he left so much money on the table...then WTF is Manny doin saying No to 40Milly AND 35% PPV:heh:

There was no way to negotiate the back end cuz Manny chose NOT to negotiate

Then later Koncz offered Floyd 50 million 55/45 ppvs to the winner...like Koncz is somebody to offer anybody anything:russ:
Nope.. you're wrong as usual. .... Koncz offered that months before the phone call...
Manny cant legally negotiate any type of purse pr percentages without his manger present..

The fukk you mean what does 50 have to do with it?? He was part of Floyds camp and was his best friend and is claiming Floyd walked away from $100m.. just like Ariza claiming Pac passed the phone to someone else when Floyd called Pac as a publicity stunt to negotiate shyt they been already settled and turned down months back

The real question you should be asking yourself is why would Floyd be calling Manny on the phone and not Haymon/Schafer (at the time) calling Bob Arum to negotiate?? Come on man I dont feel like dealing with your trolling tonight, be serious for a change
 

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Nope.. you're wrong as usual. .... Koncz offered that months before the phone call...
Manny cant legally negotiate any type of purse pr percentages without his manger present..

The fukk you mean what does 50 have to do with it?? He was part of Floyds camp and was his best friend and is claiming Floyd walked away from $100m.. just like Ariza claiming Pac passed the phone to someone else when Floyd called Pac as a publicity stunt to negotiate shyt they been already settled and turned down months back

The real question you should be asking yourself is why would Floyd be calling Manny on the phone and not Haymon/Schafer (at the time) calling Bob Arum to negotiate?? Come on man I dont feel like dealing with your trolling tonight, be serious for a change



http://sports.yahoo.com/news/manny-pacquiao-insists-hell-fight-222300428--box.html

Yup I'm the one that's wrong as usual...

Mayweather phoned Pacquiao adviser Michael Koncz in the Philippines on Jan. 19 and asked to speak to Pacquiao. Mayweather then told Pacquiao he'd offer him $40 million, which Mayweather later told the media "is far more than he's ever made."

Pacquiao said he wanted to fight, but that $40 million flat wasn't nearly fair.

"I told him, 'OK, 50-50 [with the money] and I'll agree to everything else,' " Pacquiao said. "I told him I would agree to all of the other things he was demanding. Everything. Even the blood testing he wanted, I would do it. But it had to be 50-50."

Pacquiao said he told Koncz to offer Mayweather a guarantee of $50 million with the rest of the revenue being split, with 55 percent going to the winner and 45 percent going to the loser.

Making me bring up old as shyt cuz you trying deflect from the new shyt from today:rudy:

If Floyd was ducking over Money...Wtf is Manny doin walking away from 40 Milly 35% ppv

After getting spread over the mat like miracle whip:deadmanny: N doin 350k vs Rios


:camby:
 

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40 mil plus 35 percent rev is wayyyyyyyyy too much for a 2014 pacquaio
how dare arum camp turn it down:mjlol::mjlol:

these guys arebytches
theyve grown so accustomed to the "floyd is ducking" "floyd is scared" agenda they created that they dont even wanna fight no more

i been saying arum hates floyds guts and doesnt wanna see his replacement get his ass whopped
 

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/manny-pacquiao-insists-hell-fight-222300428--box.html

Yup I'm the one that's wrong as usual...



Making me bring up old as shyt cuz you trying deflect from the new shyt from today:rudy:

If Floyd was ducking over Money...Wtf is Manny doin walking away from 40 Milly 35% ppv

After getting spread over the mat like miracle whip:deadmanny: N doin 350k vs Rios


:camby:

Hey man if Pac ducked by turning down $40 millionflat rank no ppv(now its 35% according to Espinoza. "All lies according to Floydie") then Floyd turned down $100million....
 

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Stephen Espinoza says they offered 40 million plus 35% PPV to Manny Pacquiao in August (3 months ago)...check.

Manny says his promoter and Mayweathers "camp" are in serious negotiations in September....check.

Floyd Sr gives interview excited about the prospect of Floyd vs Manny in October....check.

@Black_Jesus tells me Im being biased even though the timeline and the facts I presented are there...check.



Manny Pacquiao has turned down 40 million dollars...again brehs:wow:
This was all people needed to see in regards to Negatiations

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Shyt will get demonic for Manny before this Algieri fight trust and believe that, it's Manny dealing with this offer in the back of his head vs a nobody with shyt to lose:smugfavre:
 

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Floyd offered 40 Milly N they never discussed the back end PAC turned it down ASAP...nikkas in Manny's camp confirmed this

2 yrs later Floyd is now with Showtime N there's pressure for a big fight...why wouldn't Showtime try to give PAC a good deal:stopitslime:
People lack boxing knowledge so much here, they dont understand PPV revenue and back end is 2 different fukking things
 

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For you unenlightened fat lil nikkas

http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/business-of-boxing-pay-per-view-what-about-the-fighter/

After the story in which I broke down, in very basic terms, the way a pay-per-view deal in boxing works, I got some inquiries from people who recognized that I showed the allocations to the distributor (HBO PPV or Showtime PPV), the cable systems (like Cablevision or Comcast) and the promoters (Top Rank, Golden Boy or whoever). But they wanted to know “how much does the fighter get?”

Well, that was scheduled to be the next part of the situation that I was going to address anyway. And well, there is no standard answer to it.

The fighters in the main event are the ones who are the main focus in a pay-per-view event, and while their money is going to be paid to them by the fight’s promoter, it is not part of a specific formula. The truth is, whatever the fighter makes is whatever has been negotiated with the promoter. When an event is proposed, the promoter makes estimates as to how much in the way of sales is going to be generated, and therefore, using the apportionment formula we have already outlined, they’ll have an idea of what they can expect from the whole pie, considering the gate or site fee, foreign rights, secondary markets, and any merchandising opportunities that are available.

Obviously he is going to make the offer to the main event fighters (whether they be only two or four) that is going to back into that figure so that he can make a profit. Of course, he is not guaranteed a profit, since he could always fall short of his estimates.

Some fighters may get a flat fee, as part of an “all-in” deal. That means he gets paid what he gets paid and not a dime more. Other fighters may have a hybrid deal where there is a guarantee, then some piece of what is known as the “back end,” which is a percentage of the pay-per-view sales, perhaps based on a gross figure, or dollars generated past a certain level of sales. Frankly, it varies.

The point is, it is not a hard and fast figure that is derived as a percentage of the revenue that the promoter will bring in.

This is not to say that the fighter is never aware of what could be available. In fact, these are the things of which true negotiations are made. Any fighter who is at the level where he be in the headlining bout of a pay-per-view show should have management that is very much aware of the market and of the “comparables,” meaning what similar bouts have generated in revenues, as well as the latest developments in terms of the size of the pay-per-view universe. It fact, it would almost be negligent for them not to.

Fighters who have a “back end” deal have to be on the lookout for certain things. One of those is the tendency of pay-per-view money to “trickle in” from all the cable carriers. Remember that there is a cycle involved here where the customer orders the programming, gets billed for it, and finally pays for it, and then there is the process of accounting on the carrier’s end, which can slow down the process. Needless to say, it is possible for money to take a while to come in, and somewhere along the way it can get “lost.” It almost takes professional auditors to determine how much money has actually been brought in.

Other comments included those where objections were raised about the fighter’s “sweat and perspiration” and how that was going to be compensated, as if the promoter and the cable systems were a greedy part of the process that took much more than they were entitled to. Look – we realize who the stars of the show are. However, without the infrastructure that is in place by which the show is promoted, marketed and distributed, along with the technology to make it happen, the fighter’s “sweat” is worth a lot less than it would be using the present model. That much you can be certain of.

Hey, the purest thing in the world would be for the fighters to cut out the promoters entirely, make a deal with the systems and even an entity like HBO PPV, and roll the dice in the hope that their own appeal and promotional acumen were going to bring in the results they want. For a fighter to earn based almost precisely on his drawing power, without any guarantees, is kind of “democratic,” when you come to think of it. But there have been only a handful of fighters who would ever venture down that path, which speaks volumes.

The moral of the story is that everybody has their job, and if they all do their job right, they can all go home with some money.
 

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For you unenlightened fat lil nikkas

http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/business-of-boxing-pay-per-view-what-about-the-fighter/

After the story in which I broke down, in very basic terms, the way a pay-per-view deal in boxing works, I got some inquiries from people who recognized that I showed the allocations to the distributor (HBO PPV or Showtime PPV), the cable systems (like Cablevision or Comcast) and the promoters (Top Rank, Golden Boy or whoever). But they wanted to know “how much does the fighter get?”

Well, that was scheduled to be the next part of the situation that I was going to address anyway. And well, there is no standard answer to it.

The fighters in the main event are the ones who are the main focus in a pay-per-view event, and while their money is going to be paid to them by the fight’s promoter, it is not part of a specific formula. The truth is, whatever the fighter makes is whatever has been negotiated with the promoter. When an event is proposed, the promoter makes estimates as to how much in the way of sales is going to be generated, and therefore, using the apportionment formula we have already outlined, they’ll have an idea of what they can expect from the whole pie, considering the gate or site fee, foreign rights, secondary markets, and any merchandising opportunities that are available.

Obviously he is going to make the offer to the main event fighters (whether they be only two or four) that is going to back into that figure so that he can make a profit. Of course, he is not guaranteed a profit, since he could always fall short of his estimates.

Some fighters may get a flat fee, as part of an “all-in” deal. That means he gets paid what he gets paid and not a dime more. Other fighters may have a hybrid deal where there is a guarantee, then some piece of what is known as the “back end,” which is a percentage of the pay-per-view sales, perhaps based on a gross figure, or dollars generated past a certain level of sales. Frankly, it varies.

The point is, it is not a hard and fast figure that is derived as a percentage of the revenue that the promoter will bring in.

This is not to say that the fighter is never aware of what could be available. In fact, these are the things of which true negotiations are made. Any fighter who is at the level where he be in the headlining bout of a pay-per-view show should have management that is very much aware of the market and of the “comparables,” meaning what similar bouts have generated in revenues, as well as the latest developments in terms of the size of the pay-per-view universe. It fact, it would almost be negligent for them not to.

Fighters who have a “back end” deal have to be on the lookout for certain things. One of those is the tendency of pay-per-view money to “trickle in” from all the cable carriers. Remember that there is a cycle involved here where the customer orders the programming, gets billed for it, and finally pays for it, and then there is the process of accounting on the carrier’s end, which can slow down the process. Needless to say, it is possible for money to take a while to come in, and somewhere along the way it can get “lost.” It almost takes professional auditors to determine how much money has actually been brought in.

Other comments included those where objections were raised about the fighter’s “sweat and perspiration” and how that was going to be compensated, as if the promoter and the cable systems were a greedy part of the process that took much more than they were entitled to. Look – we realize who the stars of the show are. However, without the infrastructure that is in place by which the show is promoted, marketed and distributed, along with the technology to make it happen, the fighter’s “sweat” is worth a lot less than it would be using the present model. That much you can be certain of.

Hey, the purest thing in the world would be for the fighters to cut out the promoters entirely, make a deal with the systems and even an entity like HBO PPV, and roll the dice in the hope that their own appeal and promotional acumen were going to bring in the results they want. For a fighter to earn based almost precisely on his drawing power, without any guarantees, is kind of “democratic,” when you come to think of it. But there have been only a handful of fighters who would ever venture down that path, which speaks volumes.

The moral of the story is that everybody has their job, and if they all do their job right, they can all go home with some money.
This is how you handle a one man army and lil nikka like @Black_Jesus people:comeon:

Fall back fat boy and let the boxing community bask in how bytchmade Manny is, Aint no nikka gonna tell me not to make 85-100 mil, when I owe 50-60 million in taxes......................

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