Steph Curry is banned from Finals MVP contention
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Forgot to add this too.
Bobby Knight said he was the "best passer in college basketball" at the time, and that he was "as good a passer as has ever played college basketball". His passing ability has only got better over the last eight years he's been in the league.
He's not even a better passer than D'Angelo Russell.
360Waves
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Watching @Gil Scott-Heroin rely on certain stats and metrics and then contradict himself and disregard those very same metrics when they don't fit his agenda is hilarious. 
Show me where I've contradicted myself on certain stats/metrics. Give me ONE example.Watching @Gil Scott-Heroin rely on certain stats and metrics and then contradict himself and disregard those very same metrics when they don't fit his agenda is hilarious.
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eastside313
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The context is the video - it's right there for you to see for yourself in all its glory. Did you even bother to watch it?
Your point is what exactly?
You still don't get it.
He was a combo guard - I wouldn't say he wasn't a PG. Especially before Dumars was drafted when the Pistons needed a player to run the point (when Zeke was on the bench), Vinnie was that guy. You're failing to see the point in which I'm bringing up Vinnie helping run the offense and acting as a playmaker.
- He had good touch on the inside whether it was a basic hook shot or working the baseline for a layup (he wasn't breaking down players with counters but he knew how to get his shot off if needed to down low)
- He could score on OREB when the defense has already recovered to contest his shot after putting the ball on the floor (he wasn't on his Reggie Evans shyt)
- He could put the ball on the floor in the low post and create space for himself to get off a jumpshot (one of his go-to actions)
- He had great ball control, BBIQ, and awareness - he knew how to go straight to work after sealing off his defender and getting the ball
Like I said he was no McHale (by any stretch of the imagination) but he had the shooting touch, IQ and finishing ability to create his own.
I never once argued against this.
Again, I never once argued this either. Stop being dense. I simply highlighted the roles in which they had on offense - Zeke wasn't doing everything by himself nor was he the only player the defense focused on (like @Newzz was insinuating).
I'm correlating the margins in which match their skillsets (for their respective eras) - not just their roles on the team. You're having a hard time comprehending this.
Curry is the table setter and Draymond is the go-between man. Curry is the main cog in the machine. See now this is the problem and why I've been trying to normalize both Zeke and Curry here, because there seems to be this misconception that Curry is only good as he is because he's not running the offense the same as Zeke did. He did that shyt under Jackson, where as now the scheme is fundamentally better because of the constant ball movement. Which is why it's important to look at his skillset and not the direct role he has in the offense (specifically playmaking).
SMH.
There's no reasoning with some of y'all cats.
Bruh how are you going to attempt to tell me about the team I grew up watching. Bill laimbeer was not doing no fukking hook shots and creating no type of space with a dribble or none of that. He was a jumpshooter.
Isiah was the 2nd best pg of the era. He was often referred to as the best little man to ever play in the nba. But he wasn't the focal point of opposing defenses oh yeah they was worried about laimbeer in the post and Tripuka because you looked at his stats and said he's like Klay
You have the nerve to call somebody dense and say there is no reasoning with people
I'm done but go head and quote me cause I'm sure you're the gotta have the last word type like a female.
That was his primary role on offense - yet he could still create for himself (even on jumpshots - he wasn't constantly just getting set shot after set shot).
- He had good touch on the inside whether it was a basic hook shot or working the baseline for a layup (he wasn't breaking down players with counters but he knew how to get his shot off if needed to down low)
- He could score on OREB when the defense has already recovered to contest his shot after putting the ball on the floor (he wasn't on his Reggie Evans shyt)
- He could put the ball on the floor in the low post and create space for himself to get off a jumpshot (one of his go-to actions)
- He had great ball control, BBIQ, and awareness - he knew how to go straight to work after sealing off his defender and getting the ball
He wasn't taking his matchup off the dribble but he could work in the post to create his own shot.
Isiah was the 2nd best pg of the era. He was often referred to as the best little man to ever play in the nba. But he wasn't the focal point of opposing defenses oh yeah they was worried about laimbeer in the post and Tripuka because you looked at his stats and said he's like Klay
Of course he was the focal point of opposing defenses and he received more defensive attention than every other Pistons player during that season. i) That is non-debatable ii) I've never argued against that. You have horrible reading comprehension. I said Tripucka was comparable to Klay in that his role on the team and the defensive attention he received were similar; just like Curry is the "focal point of opposing defenses".
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Zeke is primarily 80's, so what 90's ball got to do with his prime?
Why you always crying about the 90's? You just as bad as people that you say are bad. You think everything about the current game is better, and nothing about the 90's was good. You're just as bad
Admittedly I was paying more attention to his finals performance, he averaged 28/5/7 on 63ts% which I'd put over either one of Curry's finals performances thus far. Best postseason performance I'll now give Curry the nod for last season although not this season. What I meant about Isiah's postseason dominance is he typically raised his game in the playoffs, especially when he was in his prime.
Peak wise I'll give Curry the nod by a fair bit but I can see why someone would take Zeke. Zeke's game would probably translate well today since quick guards are the biggest beneficiaries of no handcheck, and I don't see why he wouldn't be a far better shooter in an era where it's highly encouraged. The 3 point line was still more of a novelty when Isiah first played.
Imagine zeke playing today with the rules in place to favor smalls instead of big guys like it used to be.
IllmaticDelta
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Thomas appeared via telephone on Mike & Mike this morning and Greenberg flat out asked him if Curry would be as effective if he played during the late '80s and early '90s.
“The game has changed, “ Thomas said. “You can’t really apply the rules of my era to this one. We have to appreciate what Steph is doing under the rules he’s playing under and he’s the best player under the circumstances.”
Like Oscar, Thomas did rip current NBA defenses and coaching.
“This is the worst perimeter defense I’ve ever seen in the NBA,” said Thomas...“Coaches let guys guard people way off the ball.”
Thomas added that the success of small-ball can be attributed to the rules changes that have totally eliminated the effectiveness of the bigs.
“The way the rules are now,” Thomas said, “it severely hampers the big man. The rules really favor smalls right now. We’ve basically eliminated the center position. The pendulum has swung too far against the big player. Bigs are now forced to play like the small guys and stand on the wing and shoot threes. It’s the way offenses and defenses are designed now.”
Thomas says Curry is benefiting from all of this and that’s just facts. It’s not a knock on Steph.
“It’s the best time in NBA history to be a small player,” said Thomas, perhaps the greatest point guard, other than Magic Johnson, to ever step on a basketball court.
Has any of these new school fanboys ever explained what exactly is so unreasonable about what Isaiah and other former players have said about this current era?
“The game has changed, “ Thomas said. “You can’t really apply the rules of my era to this one. We have to appreciate what Steph is doing under the rules he’s playing under and he’s the best player under the circumstances.”
Like Oscar, Thomas did rip current NBA defenses and coaching.
“This is the worst perimeter defense I’ve ever seen in the NBA,” said Thomas...“Coaches let guys guard people way off the ball.”
Thomas added that the success of small-ball can be attributed to the rules changes that have totally eliminated the effectiveness of the bigs.
“The way the rules are now,” Thomas said, “it severely hampers the big man. The rules really favor smalls right now. We’ve basically eliminated the center position. The pendulum has swung too far against the big player. Bigs are now forced to play like the small guys and stand on the wing and shoot threes. It’s the way offenses and defenses are designed now.”
Thomas says Curry is benefiting from all of this and that’s just facts. It’s not a knock on Steph.
“It’s the best time in NBA history to be a small player,” said Thomas, perhaps the greatest point guard, other than Magic Johnson, to ever step on a basketball court.
Has any of these new school fanboys ever explained what exactly is so unreasonable about what Isaiah and other former players have said about this current era?
IllmaticDelta
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Lakerman0834
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Klay repeatedly has come up bigger than Steph in important games.