States With Most Gun Laws Have Fewest Gun Deaths, Study Finds

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Latin America has strict gun laws and high crime as well. Do we need to go to another planet or just cherry pick the states that fit your preconceived notion, friend. :skip:

Are you really comparing Mexican and Venezuelan law enforcement to American law enforcement? :heh:

If they enforced the laws over there, the effect would be different. A law is just words on paper. An unstable society with poor law enforcement can't bring them to life.
 

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How does it undermine them when most deaths are attributed to gang violence and stolen weapons? You dont make sense. Legal weapons are not killing. This study, is flawed. I hope you can see that but its a good step in a direction i guess.

All illegal weapons were once legal weapons. They made it into the wrong hands due to the lax gun laws.

The number one way that guns make it to the streets in America is them being purchased through legal loopholes, and then sold on the street.
 

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All illegal weapons were once legal weapons. They made it into the wrong hands due to the lax gun laws.

The number one way that guns make it to the streets in America is them being purchased through legal loopholes, and then sold on the street.
And you think the black market will suffer with more strict gun laws in areas with a lot of drugs and people who need to lock down drug/gang territory ?

Keep the drugs from coming in and gun violence will plummet.
 

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And you think the black market will suffer with more strict gun laws in areas with a lot of drugs and people who need to lock down drug/gang territory ?

Keep the drugs from coming in and gun violence will plummet.

Yes the black market will suffer if it was more difficult to attain weapons. The prices would go up and it wouldn't make economical sense for criminals to buy a $500 handgun just to rob the gas satiation for $85
 

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Yes the black market will suffer if it was more difficult to attain weapons. The prices would go up and it wouldn't make economical sense for criminals to buy a $500 handgun just to rob the gas satiation for $85

Makes sense. Im semi convinced. Im for making the laws to obtaining weapons more strict, but not for banning them. You helped a friend understand something. Thanks for that, friend :sitdown:
 

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The gaps in gun law enforcement would make your head spin

Most illegal guns trace back to a very small % of arms dealers, but because of laws nobody can do anything about it or even go after those dealers. So naturally there would be a lot of guns in places where gun laws are lax- an arms dealer can't sell a gun where they are banned.
 

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"Correlation does not necessarily mean causation" .


why does that look familiar??

Facts. You can wikipedia gun related deaths and see a breakdown by state on which ones have the most problems with homicides. Chicago has one of the most strict gun laws in the nation and its leading the nation in guns deaths? Why is that? Do we really need these types of laws around the nations when they are proven to not work. Meanwhile states that actually trust their citizens to carry are able to police themselves through unspoken policies of mutual destruction. You need to smarten up kid. When things get real Uncle sam, the police and all them cats you run with aint gonna be there, and neither will you. Pack heat.

there is no empirical evidence that supports your claim. posting lowmurder rates numbers does not show a positive correlation between murder rates(or gun violence). what you are doing is the equivalent of saying the patriot act works because 911 hasn't happened again, which like your claim is utter bullshyt :ld:

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The gaps in gun law enforcement would make your head spin

Most illegal guns trace back to a very small % of arms dealers, but because of laws nobody can do anything about it or even go after those dealers. So naturally there would be a lot of guns in places where gun laws are lax- an arms dealer can't sell a gun where they are banned.

Theres probably a good reason why no ones going after them. Think, if the arms dealer was an individual of African descent, would this problem have been taken care of, friend?
 

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Why is Mowglee so gung-ho about guns? Doesn't he leap into action against armed gangs, roundhouse kicking guns out of hands and catching bullets in his teeth?
 

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"Correlation does not necessarily mean causation" - a basic scientific principle. Comparing states and laws is misleading. So many other factors could contribute. What they need to do is compare apples to apples...statistics before a law was enacted compared to post-legislation and within the same geographical context. This method could be used to study data from small towns to large urban centers and states, then compare results to discover if the correlation is directly related to the cause (i.e. presence or absence of gun legislation). A study of Chicago alone would question the correlation between homicide/suicide and gun laws.

:wtf:

:dead:@this guy invoking scientific principles all of a sudden.
 

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Latin America has strict gun laws and high crime as well. Do we need to go to another planet or just cherry pick the states that fit your preconceived notion, friend. :skip:

How does it undermine them when most deaths are attributed to gang violence and stolen weapons? You dont make sense. Legal weapons are not killing. This study, is flawed. I hope you can see that but its a good step in a direction i guess.

"Correlation does not necessarily mean causation" - a basic scientific principle. Comparing states and laws is misleading. So many other factors could contribute. What they need to do is compare apples to apples...statistics before a law was enacted compared to post-legislation and within the same geographical context. This method could be used to study data from small towns to large urban centers and states, then compare results to discover if the correlation is directly related to the cause (i.e. presence or absence of gun legislation). A study of Chicago alone would question the correlation between homicide/suicide and gun laws.

:demonic:

Im sensing a ghostwriter here...
 
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