Stacey Dash supports Mitt Romney

[theworldismine13]

You're just as stupid as Stacy Dash seems to be. It's one thing to be an idiot, it's another thing to be an idiot who actually think that he's smart.

thanks for sharing your thoughts now let me share my thoughts

you're just a corny ass political hack who is crying like a little beaatch cuz somebody doesn't give a fuk about your "lesser evil party" political theory

its a free country fakkit, deal with it

Then why did you feel the need to "invoke" it in the first place? I've told you over and over that this isn't an issue of Dash being denied intellectual freedom. This has nothing to do with intellectual freedom. You've attempted to cloud the issue with your nonsensical drivel.

i just explained why, i invoked it because people where foaming at the mouth and disparaging her character and demanding that stacey dash explain herself, i invoked intellectual freedom to politely inform people that actually stacey dash doesnt really have to explain herself, like i said its completely acceptable if she wakes up in the morning, farts, and tweets her endorsement and farts again and goes back to sleep, without any "intellectual" explanation for her actions

thats the beauty of living in a free country, and you are free to go about your life knowing that black women endorsed romney, i promise that everything will be ok

and i already explained, im not clouding any issue, im just dismissing the issue that you care about which is the outrage at her endorsement, the real issue in my opinion is intellectual freedom, i think invoking intellectual freedom is the only thing stacey dash needs to do

to me the issue that is important is intellectual freedom and having an open free political discourse

The nerve of you trying to chastise others for being anti-intellectual and close minded when you've just admitted that you will vote for Obama just because he's black. You're so dumb that you don't even realize that you're being hypocritical. Again, voting for Obama just because he's black is a perfect example of being anti-intellectual and close minded. You're doing nothing but making a fool of yourself but the saddest part is that you don't even know it.

thanks for sharing, but again, i invoke my intellectual freedom to vote for obama because he's black, i dont have to explain myself to anybody. America, you gotta love it

 

[Gravity]

thanks for sharing your thoughts now let me share my thoughts

you're just a corny ass political hack who is crying like a little beaatch cuz somebody doesn't give a fuk about your "lesser evil party" political theory

its a free country fakkit, deal with it

I couldn't less about you not agreeing with me regardless of the issue. I'm simply calling you out for being full of shyt.

i just explained why, i invoked it because people where foaming at the mouth and disparaging her character and demanding that stacey dash explain herself, i invoked intellectual freedom to politely inform people that actually stacey dash doesnt really have to explain herself, like i said its completely acceptable if she wakes up in the morning, farts, and tweets her endorsement and farts again and goes back to sleep, without any "intellectual" explanation for her actions

You "invoked" it because you dont know what youre talking about. Stacy Dash doesn't have to explain herself and her attackers don't have to refrain from attacking her. If people decide to foam at the mouth and disparage her character demanding that she explain herself, then it's acceptable for them to do so whether you agree or not. See how that works? Like I said, you're too dumb to realize that you're being hypocritical.

and i already explained, im not clouding any issue, im just dismissing the issue that you care about which is the outrage at her endorsement, the real issue in my opinion is intellectual freedom, i think invoking intellectual freedom is the only thing stacey dash needs to do

to me the issue that is important is intellectual freedom and having an open free political discourse

Like ive already said, you're too dumb to know what intellectual freedom is. You seem to think that having intellectual freedom protects your opinions or thoughts from being criticized. As if she says "hey everybody its just my opinion" and nobody is supposed to be able to say anything else about it. You're dunce my man. She can "invoke" intellectual freedom all she wants and people still have the right to criticize and insult her if they so choose. They have intellectual freedom as well. If people feel that Dash is a sellout then thats their right, you deal with that.

thanks for sharing, but again, i invoke my intellectual freedom to vote for obama because he's black, i dont have to explain myself to anybody. America, you gotta love it

Nobody asked you to explain yourself. I simply pointed out that youre full of shyt. In this thread whining about black people on twitter being close minded and being anti-intellectual when you're guilty of those things yourself. That makes you a hypocrite, a dumb one at that.

 

[theworldismine13]

I couldn't less about you not agreeing with me regardless of the issue. I'm simply calling you out for being full of shyt.

and im calling you out for being a political hack and im on your "lesser evil" political theory

You "invoked" it because you dont know what youre talking about. Stacy Dash doesn't have to explain herself and her attackers don't have to refrain from attacking her. If people decide to foam at the mouth and disparage her character demanding that she explain herself, then it's acceptable for them to do so whether you agree or not. See how that works? Like I said, you're too dumb to realize that you're being hypocritical.

i never said they couldn't, i said they shouldnt, how am i being a hypocrite?

im simply saying that people should back up off her so as to create a free open environment but i have never tried to violate anybodys right to free speech so there is nothing hypocritical in my stance, im simply stating my opinion of her attackers

so now everybody has stated their opinion, so its all good, why are you huffing and puffing?

Like ive already said, you're too dumb to know what intellectual freedom is. You seem to think that having intellectual freedom protects your opinions or thoughts from being criticized. As if she says "hey everybody its just my opinion" and nobody is supposed to be able to say anything else about it. You're dunce my man. She can "invoke" intellectual freedom all she wants and people still have the right to criticize and insult her if they so choose. They have intellectual freedom as well. If people feel that Dash is a sellout then thats their right, you deal with that.

i didn't say people shouldn't criticize her, i said the opposite, i said people should state their objection to her opinion and i myself personally object to what she said

but i also objected to the over the top insults because the insults create a closed oppressive environment and are anti intellectual and in IMO the response to those insults should be to invoke intellectual freedom because its like people forget that its a free country

but people definitely have the right to insult her, i have never suggested otherwise, and i have the right to criticize the insults and i also elaborated on why the insults are harmful

Nobody asked you to explain yourself. I simply pointed out that youre full of shyt. In this thread whining about black people on twitter being close minded and being anti-intellectual when you're guilty of those things yourself. That makes you a hypocrite, a dumb one at that.

my views are my views, you can take them anyway you want

but i have always stood up for intellectual freedom and the intellectual development of the Hip Hop nation, ive been doing that for years, you can check my record, everybody knows that the God Emperor always stands up for intellectual freedom

you need to buck up and stop getting emotional about differences in political opinion

 

[thekingsmen]

Get a clue and stop repeating things that you've heard others say. "The lesser of 2 evils", take a couple of hours to figure out what that saying means. One party is clearly more "evil" than the other and if you can't understand that then I don't know what to tell you.

White Supremacy got into thinking Evil is less than....when is evil is evil. Naive to the facts...that the same parties have fooled blacks for over 40 years into thinking they care. Of course you would fall into line for a term used to confuse you. It's an oxymoron slogan...don't be the moron to fall for it.

Like Mowgli says...."It's so Demonic friend".

 

[Strapped]

why is this thread so long ,who fukking cares what a retarded chick supports

 

[Gravity]

and im calling you out for being a political hack and im on your "lesser evil" political theory

you should stick to these "I know you are but what am I" responses instead of trying to engage in a battle of wits when you're clearly unarmed.

i never said they couldn't, i said they shouldnt, how am i being a hypocrite?

im simply saying that people should back up off her so as to create a free open environment but i have never tried to violate anybodys right to free speech so there is nothing hypocritical in my stance, im simply stating my opinion of her attackers

Your reasoning for why people shouldnt attack her is hypocritical. You've accused her attackers of being anti-intellectual and close minded when you exhibit that behavior yourself. That makes you a hypocrite. I literally have to spoon feed you. We already live in a free and open environment, so we don't have to create one. Having a free and open environment does not mean that you get to express an opinion or thought free of criticism. The people who went in on Dash on twitter did nothing to prevent us from having a free and open environment. You're shoveling shyt.

so now everybody has stated their opinion, so its all good, why are you huffing and puffing?

I'm "huffing and puffing" about you being full of shyt. You're also not too bright which is why you ask the same dumb questions over and over.

I didn't say people shouldn't criticize her, i said the opposite, i said people should state their objection to her opinion and i myself personally object to what she said

Oh so now you object to what she said? Before you were going on and on about how you didn't care about what she said but now you object huh? Like I said, you're full of shyt.

but i also objected to the over the top insults because the insults create a closed oppressive environment and are anti intellectual and in IMO the response to those insults should be to invoke intellectual freedom because its like people forget that its a free country

You're anti-intellectual and close minded you idiot. You don't get to chastise others for behavior that you exhibit without being a hypocrite. Your objections don't hold weight.

but people definitely have the right to insult her, i have never suggested otherwise, and i have the right to criticize the insults and i also elaborated on why the insults are harmful

Nobody has forgotten that this is a free country, that's just the BS that you're shoveling. Dash's attackers have the same right to freedom of expression as she does. It's you that doesn't seem to understand what living in a free environment is about. This issue has nothing to do with freedom, that's just the crutch that you're trying to use to justify your nonsense.

my views are my views, you can take them anyway you want

but i have always stood up for intellectual freedom and the intellectual development of the Hip Hop nation, ive been doing that for years, you can check my record, everybody knows that the God Emperor always stands up for intellectual freedom

you need to buck up and stop getting emotional about differences in political opinion

Again, you don't know what intellectual freedom is man. Plus there's no what that you can been an advocate for intellectual development judging by the dumb stuff that you post. You've proudly claimed to only support Obama because he's black. Youre anti-intellectual not an advocate for intelligence. Take a hike with the trash you're selling, no one is buying.

White Supremacy got into thinking Evil is less than....when is evil is evil. Naive to the facts...that the same parties have fooled blacks for over 40 years into thinking they care. Of course you would fall into line for a term used to confuse you. It's an oxymoron slogan...don't be the moron to fall for it.

Like Mowgli says...."It's so Demonic friend".

Some of are so simple that you're easily confused. I clearly put quotation marks around the word evil to signify that I was using it as a figure of speech. I wasn't using the word literally. When I say that the democrats are "the lesser of 2 evils" I simply mean that they aren't as bad for the black communty's best interests as republicans are. I haven't been fooled to think anything and I'm aware of the system of white supremacy. I'm not sure what your point here is. Do you disagree with me saying that democrats arent as bad for blacks as republicans? Do you think that black people shouldn't vote at all and just deal with the people/policies that whites and Latinos vote into office? Besides spouting about or whole lot of nothing, what are you really saying?

 

[MouseTeeth]

This thread should b 2 pages tops

 

[thekingsmen]

.Some of are so simple that you're easily confused. I clearly put quotation marks around the word evil to signify that I was using it as a figure of speech. I wasn't using the word literally. When I say that the democrats are "the lesser of 2 evils" I simply mean that they aren't as bad for the black communty's best interests as republicans are. I haven't been fooled to think anything and I'm aware of the system of white supremacy. I'm not sure what your point here is. Do you disagree with me saying that democrats arent as bad for blacks as republicans? Do you think that black people shouldn't vote at all and just deal with the people/policies that whites and Latinos vote into office? Besides spouting about or whole lot of nothing, what are you really saying?

If they are going to vote...vote for indy, green or other parties those that focus on community issues as well as international issues. Both Demos and Repubs are poison for the black community...both of them.

 

[theworldismine13]

you should stick to these "I know you are but what am I" responses instead of trying to engage in a battle of wits when you're clearly unarmed.

i think what you mean is that i should stick to personal insults like stacey dash's attackers

lol @ "battle of wits", its not a battle of wits, im just calling you out on what you are, a political hack

Your reasoning for why people shouldnt attack her is hypocritical. You've accused her attackers of being anti-intellectual and close minded when you exhibit that behavior yourself. That makes you a hypocrite. I literally have to spoon feed you

what did i say that was anti intellectual and close minded? but either way lets say im a hypocrite, and? i have never claimed a higher moral ground than other people but either way

i think this is the third time i explain to you, there is no requirement for intellectualism to invoke intellectual freedom, even if i was being anti intellectual and close minded that's fine, at the end of the day people have the freedom to be anti intellectual and close minded or whatever else whether c00ning or selling out, that was my whole point in defending stacey dash and that's simply a conundrum that is part of the concept of freedom, freedom means the right to do things that may or may not be correct or proper, including insulting people

asserting that you have to deem a person or their statements properly intellectual before they can invoke intellectual freedom shows you do not understand what freedom is

We already live in a free and open environment, so we don't have to create one. Having a free and open environment does not mean that you get to express an opinion or thought free of criticism.

yeah we do, but apparently some people dont understand that and they go around peddling the idea that a black woman is obliged to not support romney

and in this free and open environment you are free to criticize a black woman that endorses romney and you are free to even insult her

and im free to opine that the insults are going to far

i have never suggested that people dont have to right to criticize and insult stacey dash, im simply stating my objection to people that take it too far into personal insults

The people who went in on Dash on twitter did nothing to prevent us from having a free and open environment. You're shoveling shyt.

in the end, no because thankfully there are people like me that came out and reminded people about intellectual freedom, in the end the insults looked petty and emotional and like you a lot of them got exposed as political hacks who are trying to shove the democratic party down black people's throat

I'm "huffing and puffing" about you being full of shyt. You're also not too bright which is why you ask the same dumb questions over and over.

because you dont want to answer the question, the reason you are huffing and puffing is that you are a political hack and basically believe that all black people have to support obama and democrats as the lesser of two evils, but not everybody got that memo that we need to vote for the "lesser evil"

Oh so now you object to what she said? Before you were going on and on about how you didn't care about what she said but now you object huh? Like I said, you're full of shyt.

i thought it was understood i objected to what she said, i took the exact opposite position to her and said i am voting for obama because he's black, i said this way back in the thread, unless you are a dunce and lack simple analytical skills that is obviously an objection to stacey dash's endorsement

i stated my objection and i kept it moving, i think that is what everybody should do

Nobody has forgotten that this is a free country, that's just the BS that you're shoveling. Dash's attackers have the same right to freedom of expression as she does. It's you that doesn't seem to understand what living in a free environment is about. This issue has nothing to do with freedom, that's just the crutch that you're trying to use to justify your nonsense.

i just answered this, i have never said people do not have the right to criticize her or insult her, and i have never suggested violating anybody's right to free speech

instead of making a baseless accusations, post a link to the post where i said that people do not have the right to criticize or insult stacey dash

Again, you don't know what intellectual freedom is man. Plus there's no what that you can been an advocate for intellectual development judging by the dumb stuff that you post. You've proudly claimed to only support Obama because he's black. Youre anti-intellectual not an advocate for intelligence. Take a hike with the trash you're selling, no one is buying.

i think this is the fourth time i explain this, but there is no requirement in the definition of intellectual freedom that a position be deemed sufficiently intellectual before invoking intellectual freedom, im not sure why you dont understand this

this whole argument is the other side of the coin of when the KTL muslim cabal tried to say that all black people that dont support palestinians are sell outs, and then proceeded on a thoroughly pathetic effort to "prove" it

political positions are subjective and in a free country you can't "prove" that a particular political position is right, thats absurd, you can't see the futility in this cuz you are a hack and emotional

just accept that a black woman endorsed romney and move on with your life

 

[Ricky Church]

another example of a stupid good looking hoe...

 

[Gravity]

i think what you mean is that i should stick to personal insults like stacey dash's attackers

lol @ "battle of wits", its not a battle of wits, im just calling you out on what you are, a political hack

You're one of these idiots who uses phrases just because you think that they sound good, even though you have no idea what they mean. You have absolutely no idea what phrases like "intellectual freedom" and "political hack" actually mean, but you continue to use them over and over. The term "political hack" refers to politicians who abuse their powers within a particular political party. I have no idea what you mean wen you accuse me of being a political hack, but it's clear that you don't know what it really means. I'm no political hack, I'm not even a politician.

what did i say that was anti intellectual and close minded? but either way lets say im a hypocrite, and? i have never claimed a higher moral ground than other people but either way

Wow you're slow. Are you mentally handicapped? Ive clearly explained that your "I'm voting for Obama because he's black" position is both anti-intellectual and close minded. You trying to chastise others for being anti-intellectual and close minded makes you a hypocrite. You claimed a higher moral ground by default when you ran in here telling people what they should and shouldn't do.

i think this is the third time i explain to you, there is no requirement for intellectualism to invoke intellectual freedom, even if i was being anti intellectual and close minded that's fine, at the end of the day people have the freedom to be anti intellectual and close minded or whatever else whether c00ning or selling out, that was my whole point in defending stacey dash and that's simply a conundrum that is part of the concept of freedom, freedom means the right to do things that may or may not be correct or proper, including insulting people

Okay then, so why did you come in this thread telling people that they shouldn't insult Stacy Dash? If you understad that intellectual freedom allows Dash to express her opinion and allows others to insult her over her opinion if they choose, then whats the point of "invoking" it? Stacy Dash didn't need defending because her "intellectual freedom" was never threatened. You dont even understand the BS that you're shoveling.

asserting that you have to deem a person or their statements properly intellectual before they can invoke intellectual freedom shows you do not understand what freedom is

This is a strawman argument, not one that I've made. Ive never denied Dash or anybody else their "intellectual freedom" or the right to have and express any opinion/thought that they have. My stance is that this issue has nothing to do with intellectual freedom because nobody's intellectual freedom has been threatened. You've simply tried to cloud the issue with nonsensical BS.

yeah we do, but apparently some people dont understand that and they go around peddling the idea that a black woman is obliged to not support romney

Guess what dummy? Our "free country" allows people to tell black women that they shouldn't vote for Romney if that's what they want to do. Apparently you're the one who doesn't understand.

and in this free and open environment you are free to criticize a black woman that endorses romney and you are free to even insult her

and im free to opine that the insults are going to far

Ok finally you seem to get it, so now you can stop trying to make this about intellectual freedom or any of that nonsense. Everybody is free to say whatever they want, so stop acting like freedoms are being threatened. There's no need for anybody to "invoke" intellectual freedom, it goes without saying.

i have never suggested that people dont have to right to criticize and insult stacey dash, im simply stating my objection to people that take it too far into personal insults

You have suggested that Dash's attackers have somehow threatened her intellectual freedom though, and that's nonsense.

in the end, no because thankfully there are people like me that came out and reminded people about intellectual freedom, in the end the insults looked petty and emotional and like you a lot of them got exposed as political hacks who are trying to shove the democratic party down black people's throat

You're an idiot who has nothing to do with anything. Dash's attackers did nothing to prevent us from having a free and open society because freedom of expression doesn't threaten freedom of expression. Both Dash and her attackers were exercising the same right of freedom of expression. Again, intellectual freedom was never an issue.

because you dont want to answer the question, the reason you are huffing and puffing is that you are a political hack and basically believe that all black people have to support obama and democrats as the lesser of two evils, but not everybody got that memo that we need to vote for the "lesser evil"

I've answered your question over and over. I even answered it in the section that you're responding to above. My posts are about illustrating how stupid and full of shyt you are. My point in this thread is that you're a clown. I don't believe that all black people have to do anything. Youre the one in here telling people what they should or shouldn't do, not I. It's my opinion that the democrats are the lesser of 2 evils but that's all it is, an opinion. If you disagree then you're welcome to explain why. What's the point of crying about an opinion without refuting it though?

i thought it was understood i objected to what she said, i took the exact opposite position to her and said i am voting for obama because he's black, i said this way back in the thread, unless you are a dunce and lack simple analytical skills that is obviously an objection to stacey dash's endorsement

So I guess we can add "object" to the list of words/phrases that you use without knowing the actual meaning. To object to something means to express disapproval, to dislike, or to refute. In your very 1st post you clearly say that even though you have a different opinion you don't object to her opinion. Read your own words below in bold. When you say that you have no beef with Dash and her opinion you're saying that you don't object.

i have to agree, i dont see what the big deal is, black people are just embarrassing ourselves with this overly emotional response I've said straight up that i support obama because he's black, thats my right, so i have no beef with stacey, she has done nothing wrong

i stated my objection and i kept it moving, i think that is what everybody should do

Again, you don't know what "object" means. You didn't object to her endorsement, you defended it. Here you are again telling people what they should and shouldn't do too.

i just answered this, i have never said people do not have the right to criticize her or insult her, and i have never suggested violating anybody's right to free speech

instead of making a baseless accusations, post a link to the post where i said that people do not have the right to criticize or insult stacey dash

All of your BS about Dash's attackers supposedly forgetting that this is a free country implies that they don't have the freedom to say whatever they want to say. When you say that Dash should "invoke" intellectual freedom in response to her attackers, you imply that her attackers have somehow threatened or denied her intellectual freedom. I'm simply making it clear that intellectual freedom is not the issue because we all have it. If its understood that we all have intellectual freedom to say and express our thoughts whenever however we want without explanation or approval, then what would be the point of Stacy Dash "invoking" it in response to the criticism that she has received?

Stacy Dash : I invoke intellectual freedom, meaning I have the right to express my thoughts without explaining myself to anyone.

Attacker: Ok, I invoke my intellectual freedom to call you a white washed sellout who's too stupid to understand that you're voting against your own best interests.

i think this is the fourth time i explain this, but there is no requirement in the definition of intellectual freedom that a position be deemed sufficiently intellectual before invoking intellectual freedom, im not sure why you dont understand this

I understand this perfectly but it's completely irrelevant. It's a strawman argument and I don't know why you keep making it just so that you can respond to it.

this whole argument is the other side of the coin of when the KTL muslim cabal tried to say that all black people that dont support palestinians are sell outs, and then proceeded on a thoroughly pathetic effort to "prove" it

political positions are subjective and in a free country you can't "prove" that a particular political position is right, thats absurd, you can't see the futility in this cuz you are a hack and emotional

just accept that a black woman endorsed romney and move on with your life

I have no problem accepting anything. Of course the validity of positions/opinions are subjective. Right and wrong is also subjective when it comes to issues of debate, so there's nothing wrong with someone who feels that their opinions are right and that yours are wrong. That's why we have discussions and debates so that people can "prove" their positions and others decide who's right and who's wrong. You're just not that bright son. This isn't about me not being able to accept Stacy Dash, this is about you not being able to accept people insulting Stacy Dash. Why don't you accept that some black people see Stacy Dash as a white washed sellout and move on with your life?

 

[theworldismine13]

You're one of these idiots who uses phrases just because you think that they sound good, even though you have no idea what they mean. You have absolutely no idea what phrases like "intellectual freedom" and "political hack" actually mean, but you continue to use them over and over. The term "political hack" refers to politicians who abuse their powers within a particular political party. I have no idea what you mean wen you accuse me of being a political hack, but it's clear that you don't know what it really means. I'm no political hack, I'm not even a politician.

im not sure where you got that definition of a political hack, my guess its the same place you got the definition of cracker

you're a political hack because you are trying to push this "lesser evil" theory on how black people are suppose to vote and you think stacey dash is outta line for going against your political conclusion on what criteria black people are suppose to use to vote, this is what this whole argument is about, its not about intellectual freedom, its just you getting mad because somebody disagrees with you so you will do whatever you can to attack them, that's a political hack

Wow you're slow. Are you mentally handicapped? Ive clearly explained that your "I'm voting for Obama because he's black" position is both anti-intellectual and close minded. You trying to chastise others for being anti-intellectual and close minded makes you a hypocrite. You claimed a higher moral ground by default when you ran in here telling people what they should and shouldn't do.

ok than im a hypocrite, i dont consider my position anti intellectual or close minded, but you can look at it that way, i consider my position to be me voting for my own interests

but i have never claimed a higher moral ground, in fact i explicitly denied it

this is what i said

as far as me personally, i dont have to argue to the contrary because im coming at it from a completely different angle, im voting for obama because he's black, period, morality wasnt part of the equation in my decision making and i dont claim a higher moral ground to begin with so the assertion that one party is less evil is meaningless to me, and thats not even getting into a loaded subjective term like "evil"

i ran in here talking about intellectual freedom and i invoked intellectual freedom for both my and stacey dashes position and anybody else's, the position i took in this thread is one of intellectual freedom

and again part of the conundrum of having a a free open, intellectual environment is that you have to tolerate anti intellectual and closed opinions, so even if my opinion was anti intellectual and close minded it wouldnt contradict my calls

i think me taking a higher moral ground is something that you imagined, i think you see yourself as having the higher moral ground with all your "lesser evil" talk, so you think that me disagreeing with you is an attack on your moral position, it isnt, you are more than welcome to have the higher moral ground, im simply speaking for intellectual freedom regardless of morality

Okay then, so why did you come in this thread telling people that they shouldn't insult Stacy Dash? If you understad that intellectual freedom allows Dash to express her opinion and allows others to insult her over her opinion if they choose, then whats the point of "invoking" it? Stacy Dash didn't need defending because her "intellectual freedom" was never threatened. You dont even understand the BS that you're shoveling.

because the premise of the insults were that a black women should not vote for romney, so i invoked intellectual freedom to remind people that she is perfectly within her rights and she doesnt really need to explain herself so insulting her is emotional and petty

so what i was doing by bringing up intellectual freedom was trying to get at the crux of the insults and remind people that not everybody cosigned the "we will vote for the lesser evil" theory

This is a strawman argument, not one that I've made. Ive never denied Dash or anybody else their "intellectual freedom" or the right to have and express any opinion/thought that they have. My stance is that this issue has nothing to do with intellectual freedom because nobody's intellectual freedom has been threatened. You've simply tried to cloud the issue with nonsensical BS.

i think you are conflating freedom of speech and intellectual freedom, the reason i brought up the definition of intellectual freedom is that you had said this

Just because you have the right to an opinion doesn't mean that I have to respect your opinion. "intellectual freedom" goes both ways and you don't seem to understand that.

and this statement is incorrect, to have intellectual freedom you do have to respect stacey dash's opinion, thats what i am trying to tell you, and it is proper for me to invoke intellectual freedom even if i take a supposedly anti intellectual and close minded position

the right to insult and verbally disrespect stacey dash is freedom of speech BUT IT IS NOT intellectual freedom, intellectual freedom requires you to respect all opinions regardless of whether you find them acceptable or intellectual or not, you cannot insult stacey dash AND be for intellectual freedom

Guess what dummy? Our "free country" allows people to tell black women that they shouldn't vote for Romney if that's what they want to do. Apparently you're the one who doesn't understand.

mos def, you are free to express your opinion on who black women should vote for, and thanks for sharing your thoughts

Ok finally you seem to get it, so now you can stop trying to make this about intellectual freedom or any of that nonsense. Everybody is free to say whatever they want, so stop acting like freedoms are being threatened. There's no need for anybody to "invoke" intellectual freedom, it goes without saying.

actually it doesnt go without saying, if insults are flying around when somebody expresses an opinion then its not intellectual freedom, maybe its freedom of speech, but that is not intellectual freedom

I've answered your question over and over. I even answered it in the section that you're responding to above. My posts are about illustrating how stupid and full of shyt you are. My point in this thread is that you're a clown. I don't believe that all black people have to do anything. Youre the one in here telling people what they should or shouldn't do, not I. It's my opinion that the democrats are the lesser of 2 evils but that's all it is, an opinion. If you disagree then you're welcome to explain why. What's the point of crying about an opinion without refuting it though?

ok, my bad, so thanks for sharing your opinion, and if I may be so bold i also thank you in behalf of Ms Dash for sharing your opinion with the world

So I guess we can add "object" to the list of words/phrases that you use without knowing the actual meaning. To object to something means to express disapproval, to dislike, or to refute. In your very 1st post you clearly say that even though you have a different opinion you don't object to her opinion. Read your own words below in bold. When you say that you have no beef with Dash and her opinion you're saying that you don't object.

an objection also includes disagreement

Objection | Define Objection at Dictionary.com

a feeling of disapproval, dislike, or disagreement.

so i stated very clearly that i disagreed with her, so that would classify my post as an objection under the the definition of dictionary.com, and dictionary.com is used by 50 million people every month and is the "world’s largest and most authoritative free online dictionary and mobile reference resource." Dictionary.com - About Us

All of your BS about Dash's attackers supposedly forgetting that this is a free country implies that they don't have the freedom to say whatever they want to say. When you say that Dash should "invoke" intellectual freedom in response to her attackers, you imply that her attackers have somehow threatened or denied her intellectual freedom. I'm simply making it clear that intellectual freedom is not the issue because we all have it. If its understood that we all have intellectual freedom to say and express our thoughts whenever however we want without explanation or approval, then what would be the point of Stacy Dash "invoking" it in response to the criticism that she has received?

Stacy Dash : I invoke intellectual freedom, meaning I have the right to express my thoughts without explaining myself to anyone.

Attacker: Ok, I invoke my intellectual freedom to call you a white washed sellout who's too stupid to understand that you're voting against your own best interests.

well like i stated before you are conflating intellectual freedom with freedom of speech, if a person is verbally assaulted by expressing a minority view that is not intellectual freedom

I have no problem accepting anything. Of course the validity of positions/opinions are subjective. Right and wrong is also subjective when it comes to issues of debate, so there's nothing wrong with someone who feels that their opinions are right and that yours are wrong. That's why we have discussions and debates so that people can "prove" their positions and others decide who's right and who's wrong. You're just not that bright son. This isn't about me not being able to accept Stacy Dash, this is about you not being able to accept people insulting Stacy Dash. Why don't you accept that some black people see Stacy Dash as a white washed sellout and move on with your life?

yeah that is true, i have a problem with the over the top insults, that is what i stated from the beginning, and i stated my objection to the insults and i kept it moving

but you accused me of contradictions and engaged in other vile insults against the God Emperor so i had to respond

 

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im not sure where you got that definition of a political hack, my guess its the same place you got the definition of cracker

you're a political hack because you are trying to push this "lesser evil" theory on how black people are suppose to vote and you think stacey dash is outta line for going against your political conclusion on what criteria black people are suppose to use to vote, this is what this whole argument is about, its not about intellectual freedom, its just you getting mad because somebody disagrees with you so you will do whatever you can to attack them, that's a political hack

Political hack: a politician who belongs to a small clique that controls a political party for private rather than public ends

Political hack | Define Political hack at Dictionary.com

As ive said, you use terms that you think sound good even though you have no clue what they actually mean. You're also a liar. I havent pushed anything on anybody nor have I said that Stacy Dash is out of line. Ive simply expressed my opinions on the issue. It's my opinion that democrats are a lesser evil than republicans and that it doesnt make sense for Stacy Dash or any other black person to support Romney and the administration that he wants to bring to the white house. That doesnt make me a political hack nor does it make me someone who is trying to push anything on anybody. Everyone has the right to disagree, those are simply my opinions. You're the one who came in here "mad" whining about black people supposedly embarrassing ourselves, telling people what they should or shouldn't do. I havent told anyone what they should or shouldn't do.

ok than im a hypocrite, i dont consider my position anti intellectual or close minded, but you can look at it that way, i consider my position to be me voting for my own interests

You don't consider voting for a candidate solely based on his/her race to be anti-intellectual or close minded because you lack intelligence to begin with. Of course that position is anti-intellectual and close minded. You're the same as whites who vote against Obama solely based on his race, you're just on the other end of the spectrum.

but i have never claimed a higher moral ground, in fact i explicitly denied it

this is what i said

i ran in here talking about intellectual freedom and i invoked intellectual freedom for both my and stacey dashes position and anybody else's, the position i took in this thread is one of intellectual freedom

and again part of the conundrum of having a a free open, intellectual environment is that you have to tolerate anti intellectual and closed opinions, so even if my opinion was anti intellectual and close minded it wouldnt contradict my calls

Having a free and open environment means that all forms of freedom of expression must be tolerated. That means that Stacy Dash's freedom to post her endorsement must be tolerated as well as the freedom of her attackers to post their insults. Nobody's freedom has been threatened so there's no need for anybody to "invoke" their right to freedom of expression.

i think me taking a higher moral ground is something that you imagined, i think you see yourself as having the higher moral ground with all your "lesser evil" talk, so you think that me disagreeing with you is an attack on your moral position, it isnt, you are more than welcome to have the higher moral ground, im simply speaking for intellectual freedom regardless of morality

Again, you tried to act like some moral authority by default(you dont have to come out and say that youre of a higher moral authority, to act like your're of a higher moral authority) when you came in here telling people what they should or should not do. You telling people what they should or should not do as far as how they react to Dash's Romney endorsement is the reason that I'm calling you out for being a hypocrite who needs to get down off of his high horse. State your opinion all you want, but you look like a clown trying to chastise others for supposedly exhibiting behavior that you display as well.

because the premise of the insults were that a black women should not vote for romney, so i invoked intellectual freedom to remind people that she is perfectly within her rights and she doesnt really need to explain herself so insulting her is emotional and petty

so what i was doing by bringing up intellectual freedom was trying to get at the crux of the insults and remind people that not everybody cosigned the "we will vote for the lesser evil" theory

I'm reminding you that her challengers are also perfectly within their rights when they tell her that it doesn't make sense for a black woman to vote for Romney. What part of that don't you get? Anybody that chooses to insult her is perfectly within their rights, so invoking intellectual freedom means absolutely nothing here. Everybody has intellectual freedom to express themselves how they feel. She doesn't have to explain herself, and people don't have to refrain from insulting her. Get it? I doubt it, you're Slingblade slow.

i think you are conflating freedom of speech and intellectual freedom, the reason i brought up the definition of intellectual freedom is that you had said this

and this statement is incorrect, to have intellectual freedom you do have to respect stacey dash's opinion, thats what i am trying to tell you, and it is proper for me to invoke intellectual freedom even if i take a supposedly anti intellectual and close minded position

the right to insult and verbally disrespect stacey dash is freedom of speech BUT IT IS NOT intellectual freedom, intellectual freedom requires you to respect all opinions regardless of whether you find them acceptable or intellectual or not, you cannot insult stacey dash AND be for intellectual freedom

Intellectual freedom is the right to freedom of thought and of expression of thought. As defined by Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, it is a human right. Article 19 states
Intellectual freedom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My statement was not incorrect. Intellectual freedom doesn't mean that your opinions are owed respect, it means that your right to express your opinions is owed respect. I don't have to respect your dumb idiotic opinions and thoughts, but I do have to respect your right to express them. That's intellectual freedom. The notion that one must respect all opinions in order to have a free and open society is beyond silly. Had Stacy Dash said "I think that black men are inferior to white men", should we all have to respect that opinion? You should actually pay me for these lessons. I suspect my kids have a higher IQ than you do.

actually it doesnt go without saying, if insults are flying around when somebody expresses an opinion then its not intellectual freedom, maybe its freedom of speech, but that is not intellectual freedom

Again, you don't know what "intellectual freedom" is. Ive tried to explain what the concept means over and over. Maybe the official definition that I posted will finally allow you to get a clue. All intellectual freedom is, is the right to freedom of expression. Criticism whether rational or irrational does not threaten one's intellectual freedom.

an objection also includes disagreement

Objection | Define Objection at Dictionary.com


so i stated very clearly that i disagreed with her, so that would classify my post as an objection under the the definition of dictionary.com, and dictionary.com is used by 50 million people every month and is the "world’s largest and most authoritative free online dictionary and mobile reference resource." Dictionary.com - About Us

Nope. While you have stated that you don't share her choice for President, you've made it clear that you don't object to her endorsing Romney. All you've done in this thread is bend over backwards to defend Stacy Dash. Here's your own words

i have no beef with stacey, she has done nothing wrong

While the word "disagreement" is mentioned in 1 of the definitions of "objection", theres obviously more to the definition of the word. That means that you can disagree with something without objecting to it, and that's exactly what you've done in this thread. Again, your agenda in this thread has been to defend Stacy Dash and her endorsement of Romney, not object to it. You make that agenda clear here:

what i object to is the insults and the over the top statements, that is why i focused on it,

^^^That is what you object to, not Dash's Romney endorsement.

well like i stated before you are conflating intellectual freedom with freedom of speech, if a person is verbally assaulted by expressing a minority view that is not intellectual freedom

You're simply wrong and ignorant to what intellectual freedom means. I've provided a link to the actual definition above so by the time you get to this part of the post you should finally realize how wrong you are by now. I doubt that, I suspect that you will ignore the actual definition of intellectual freedom to hang on to your own made up definition.

yeah that is true, i have a problem with the over the top insults, that is what i stated from the beginning, and i stated my objection to the insults and i kept it moving

but you accused me of contradictions and engaged in other vile insults against the God Emperor so i had to respond

Yes, you "had" to respond like the people on twitter "had" to insult Stacy Dash over her tweet. You're responding instead of keeping it moving because you want to. You don't have to come up with excuses and lies about being forced to respond. Silly shyt, that's what you're on. I didn't just accuse you of contradicitng yourself either, I clearly illustrated you doing so.

 

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Political hack | Define Political hack at Dictionary.com

As ive said, you use terms that you think sound good even though you have no clue what they actually mean. You're also a liar. I havent pushed anything on anybody nor have I said that Stacy Dash is out of line. Ive simply expressed my opinions on the issue. It's my opinion that democrats are a lesser evil than republicans and that it doesnt make sense for Stacy Dash or any other black person to support Romney and the administration that he wants to bring to the white house. That doesnt make me a political hack nor does it make me someone who is trying to push anything on anybody. Everyone has the right to disagree, those are simply my opinions. You're the one who came in here "mad" whining about black people supposedly embarrassing ourselves, telling people what they should or shouldn't do. I havent told anyone what they should or shouldn't do.

wait what? you never said stacey dash was out of line?? LOL, ok, if she wasnt out of line what are you going on about?

ok thanks you for sharing your opinion with everybody

we have established that you have difference of opinion with stacey dash, so again what exactly is the problem?

if you are simply expressing your opinion thats cool, you have expressed your views so now we can all move with our lives, but from what i saw before you where 1) endorsing the verbal assault on another person for expressing their opinion 2) suggesting that the only proper way for a black person to analyze the presidential race is in terms of lesser evil and 3) you in your great wisdom have concluded for every single black person who the lesser evil is and 4) whoever disagrees with #2 and #3 is a sellout, which made me say we have a political hack here

but if you are simply expressing your opinion than i take back calling you a political hack and would like to thank you for sharing your inconsequential and irrelevant opinion with me

You don't consider voting for a candidate solely based on his/her race to be anti-intellectual or close minded because you lack intelligence to begin with. Of course that position is anti-intellectual and close minded. You're the same as whites who vote against Obama solely based on his race, you're just on the other end of the spectrum.

again for the fifth time, even if it was anti intellectual and close minded it wouldnt preclude me invoking intellectual freedom for myself, stacey dash or other white people, nowhere in the definition of intellectual freedom does it say that an opinion has to be sufficiently intellectual

Having a free and open environment means that all forms of freedom of expression must be tolerated. That means that Stacy Dash's freedom to post her endorsement must be tolerated as well as the freedom of her attackers to post their insults. Nobody's freedom has been threatened so there's no need for anybody to "invoke" their right to freedom of expression.

im just curious, do you consider a death threat to be a threat, in other words, if somebody voices their view and they receive a death threat, do you consider that situation to be a form of intellectual freedom?

I'm reminding you that her challengers are also perfectly within their rights when they tell her that it doesn't make sense for a black woman to vote for Romney. What part of that don't you get? Anybody that chooses to insult her is perfectly within their rights, so invoking intellectual freedom means absolutely nothing here. Everybody has intellectual freedom to express themselves how they feel. She doesn't have to explain herself, and people don't have to refrain from insulting her. Get it? I doubt it, you're Slingblade slow.

again that is not correct, intellectual freedom requires a respect and tolerance of different views, if somebody is verbally assaulted that obviously is not showing respect or tolerance for different views

Again, you tried to act like some moral authority by default(you dont have to come out and say that youre of a higher moral authority, to act like your're of a higher moral authority) when you came in here telling people what they should or should not do. You telling people what they should or should not do as far as how they react to Dash's Romney endorsement is the reason that I'm calling you out for being a hypocrite who needs to get down off of his high horse. State your opinion all you want, but you look like a clown trying to chastise others for supposedly exhibiting behavior that you display as well.

like i said, thats just your imagination, i never claimed any moral authority, i simply was advocating for intellectual freedom

I'm reminding you that her challengers are also perfectly within their rights when they tell her that it doesn't make sense for a black woman to vote for Romney. What part of that don't you get? Anybody that chooses to insult her is perfectly within their rights, so invoking intellectual freedom means absolutely nothing here. Everybody has intellectual freedom to express themselves how they feel. She doesn't have to explain herself, and people don't have to refrain from insulting her. Get it? I doubt it, you're Slingblade slow.

people that insult her are within their freedom of speech to insult her, but they are violating intellectual freedom when they start to verbally assault her

there is a difference

Intellectual freedom is the right to freedom of thought and of expression of thought. As defined by Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, it is a human right. Article 19 states
Intellectual freedom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My statement was not incorrect. Intellectual freedom doesn't mean that your opinions are owed respect, it means that your right to express your opinions is owed respect. I don't have to respect your dumb idiotic opinions and thoughts, but I do have to respect your right to express them. That's intellectual freedom. The notion that one must respect all opinions in order to have a free and open society is beyond silly. Had Stacy Dash said "I think that black men are inferior to white men", should we all have to respect that opinion? You should actually pay me for these lessons. I suspect my kids have a higher IQ than you do.

you need to read your own link, your own link elaborates and it clearly says

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

so stacey dash's intellectual freedom was violated or attempted to be violated in 2 ways, 1) by verbally assaulting her it interfered with her ability to express her opinion and 2) the suggestion that a black woman has limited choice i the presidential race

and while we are at it, lets make another distinction

verbal insults that are non threatening is covered under freedom of speech, but it does not fall under intellectual freedom because verbal assaults like physical assaults create an environment where people are discouraged (interfere) from expressing their views

verbal insults that are threatening are not covered under either freedom of speech or intellectual freedom

and both types of insults (threatening and no threatening) occurred to stacey dash in an attempt to violate her intellectual freedom

Again, you don't know what "intellectual freedom" is. Ive tried to explain what the concept means over and over. Maybe the official definition that I posted will finally allow you to get a clue. All intellectual freedom is, is the right to freedom of expression. Criticism whether rational or irrational does not threaten one's intellectual freedom.

intellectual freedom is the right to freedom of expression without interference and verbal assaults that discourage expression are interference

While the word "disagreement" is mentioned in 1 of the definitions of "objection", theres obviously more to the definition of the word. That means that you can disagree with something without objecting to it, and that's exactly what you've done in this thread. Again, your agenda in this thread has been to defend Stacy Dash and her endorsement of Romney, not object to it. You make that agenda clear here:

there isnt "more" to the definition, objection has separate meanings and one of those is disagreement

there isnt "more", its separate or related definitions and according to dictionary.com one of thos definitions is disagreement = objection

and even without dictionary.com, disagreement is synonymous with objection, that is very obvious to anybody with a basic grasp of english so this is a ridiculous argument anyways

^^^That is what you object to, not Dash's Romney endorsement.

i dont object to stacey dash expressing her views, even though i disagree (object) with it, i disagree (object) with people insulting her

me objecting to her opinion is different than me objecting to her ability to express it, i always objected to her opinion, i was simply invoking intellectual freedom by objecting to the verbal assaults on her, kapish?

You're simply wrong and ignorant to what intellectual freedom means. I've provided a link to the actual definition above so by the time you get to this part of the post you should finally realize how wrong you are by now. I doubt that, I suspect that you will ignore the actual definition of intellectual freedom to hang on to your own made up definition.

i wont ignore the actual definition, i actually went further than you and quoted the whole entire definition of intellectual freedom to show that interfering with an expression of an opinion is a violation of intellectual freedom

Yes, you "had" to respond like the people on twitter "had" to insult Stacy Dash over her tweet. You're responding instead of keeping it moving because you want to. You don't have to come up with excuses and lies about being forced to respond. Silly shyt, that's what you're on. I didn't just accuse you of contradicting yourself either, I clearly illustrated you doing so.

im responding simply because i will not tolerate disparaging the character of the God Emperor

 

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and i forgot to respond to this

The notion that one must respect all opinions in order to have a free and open society is beyond silly. Had Stacy Dash said "I think that black men are inferior to white men", should we all have to respect that opinion? You should actually pay me for these lessons. I suspect my kids have a higher IQ than you do.

the answer is yes, if stacey dash had said that black men are inferior, under intellectual freedom you would still have to respect or tolerate her views and you should refrain from assaulting her verbally or physically, under intellectual freedom people have the right to be racist and/or express racist views

and yes i can object to that view while not objecting to the expressing of those views

this is why ive made it clear that im not claiming a moral high round, im simply advocating for intellectual freedom