Spinoff: What's up with Black Celeb Families wiping out their blackness?

[Shadow King]

I mean there’s a difference between being mixed raised by a black mom in a black neighbourhood and being mixed raised by a white mom in an affluent white neighbourhood.

They still largely end up identifying as black no matter where they're raised, at least in the US.

 

[Cadillac]

Exactly. Their environment changes completely when they reach that tier. From their private schools, to the parties, as well as the restaurants, they don’t see many black ppl and are forced to connect with ppl who “relate” to them from a wealth stand-point.

its as simple as that

most of these nikkas that are celeb live in majority nonblack spaces.

put two and two together you gonna get shyt like Black celeb kids with nonblacks, aint nothing you can do about this.

 

[Cadillac]

That is not how it has ever been in the United States.
A lot of you guys acting as if America is Europe and we are recent African immigrants that are mixing for the first time.

You have alot of nonados nikkas inserting their two cents on convo about us in America. Some not even living in America

as well as tryhard millitants

 

[ultraflexed]

Now you're splitting hairs...

Yes.. Every person walking earth knows, technically, that a mixed/biracial person isn't 100% black.. Nobody is arguing that. How could they? It's the simplest of genetics.

The whole thread though, is based on breeding out a race. And when exactly is that person CONSIDERED no longer the same race.


People are trying to argue that once a 100% black person has a child with a 100% white person, the black community will no longer CONSIDER them Black. There won't be no accepted. Won't be no welcomed. We don't call Mexicans black, even if they cool. We say PR come from us, but we damn sure ain't calling them black people. We don't call white kids with 1 great granddad, black... But we for damn sure, as a whole, consider a person with a direct black parent, as a black person. That's something we've ALWAYS done here. I don't give a flying fukk what type of details and spin gets put on it. If I sat here and starting listing Biracial people, and asked black people if they were black....... The answer would be yes on about 99% and it'd be 100% after you say "You know her mom is black though right?"

I don't know why this is an argument. We all know we do this from celebrities to your homie's son. The thread argument was more interesting

This isnt splitting hair, your arguing something nobody is debating.

As far as #ADOS is concerned were not 100% black, most AA's are 10-30% white, that's what makes us AA, just like most east Eritreans are part middle eastern...that's what makes us who we are.

However most AA do not have recent white relatives. Most AA's admixture comes from slave rape, that's the difference between AA's and biracials...there mixture is by choice, our was by force. They have a white parent and cousins..we dont.

So it has nothing to do with who is 100% NO ONE IS DEBATING THAT, YOUR LOST..

And for your last point, you guys keep referring to the one drop rule..WHICH WAS FORCED ON US, its has been like that but that too was by force and not by choice.

But it's a new day, the one drop rule is dead.
And white people dont get to dictate who is black.

If your black wanted to have black child so bad they should of had a child with another black person..but they didnt, that's not on us.

Nothing wrong with being biracial fyi, part black or part white......but its not the same

And recognizing that difference doesnt make them any less or better then us..

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The same reason why they never got called out is the same reason you have the 2020 Jacksons looking like that. Because brain-washed black people think its okay to procreate with other races to create light skin babies since they know everyone is gonna 'accept' them as black.

You're African, I know this already. Welcome to America...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

And for your last point, you guys keep referring to the one drop rule..WHICH WAS FORCED ON US, its has been like that but that too was by force and not by choice.

But it's a new day, the one drop rule is dead.

who forced people like this to be "black" when there was no one drop rule?

when in the same era, afro-europeans like the below lived as "white"

Eston Hemmings

john wayles jefferson

Eston Hemings Jefferson (May 21, 1808 – January 3, 1856) was born a slave at Monticello, the youngest son of Sally Hemings, a mixed-race slave. Most historians who have considered the question believe that his father was Thomas Jefferson, the United States president.[1] Evidence from a 1998 DNA test showed that a descendant of Eston matched the Jefferson male line, and historical evidence also supports the conclusion that Thomas Jefferson was probably Eston's father.[1][2][3][4] Many historians believe that Jefferson had a relationship with Sally Hemings and fathered her six children, four of whom survived to adulthood.[5]

Jefferson freed Eston and his older brother Madison Hemings in his will, as they had not yet come of age at his death. They each married and lived with their families and mother Sally in Charlottesville, Virginia, until her death in 1835. Both brothers and their young families moved to Chillicothe, Ohio, to live in a free state, where Eston Hemings earned a living as a musician and entertainer.

In 1852 Eston moved with his wife and three children to Madison, Wisconsin, where they changed their surname to Jefferson and entered the white community. Their sons both served in the Union Army, and the older one, John Wayles Jefferson, achieved the rank of colonel. He moved to Memphis, Tennessee, becoming a wealthy cotton broker and never married.

Eston's other children, Beverly and Anna Jefferson, married into the white community, and their descendants have identified as white. Beverly Jefferson's five sons were educated and three entered the professional class as a physician, attorney, and manager at the railroad.[6] One of their male-line descendants was tested in the 1998 DNA study.[2]

 

[Will Ross]

Of course they got called in school by black people. Why do you think biracials always complain about there childhood experience

"In school, I wasnt black enough for the black kids"....,THEY ALWAYS SAY THAT.

So yes, they were getting called out,
NOT SAYING IT WAS RIGHT FOR THE WAY THEY WERE GETTING CALLED OUT.


I think your confusing black people accepting and welcoming people into the family, which were notoriously known for, with recognized or understanding that while welcoming them, we know there not black.....2 different things

I can’t remember a time a mixed kids blackness was ever questioned like that.
In fact a lot of mixed kids was just seen as light skin until a white parent showed up at school.

 

[ultraflexed]

who forced people like this to be "black" when there was no one drop rule?

when in the same era, afro-europeans like the below lived as "white"

Eston Hemmings

john wayles jefferson

This has already been explain and the one drop rule was around during slavery so I don't know what your trying to say.

Regardless like I mentioned with frederick Douglass who was biracial, he considered black. Back then it was understandable due to what they were fighting and up against.


This has already been addressed, the one drop rule is over, it's a new day. We off that

 

[Wildin]

I read the title wrong.

I thought it said "What's up with Black Families wiping out their asses"

I was like

 

[IllmaticDelta]

This has already been explain and the one drop rule was around during slavery so I don't know what your trying to say.

it wasn't, I already proved that to be false

that's not the same thing as One Drop Rule; that was based on the status of your mother

Partus sequitur ventrem (Latin for '"that which is brought forth follows the belly (womb)"'),[1] often abbreviated to partus, was a legal doctrine concerning the slave or free status of children born in the English royal colonies. Incorporated into legislation in the British American colonies and later in the United States, partus held that the legal status of a child followed that of his or her mother. Thus, any child born to an enslaved woman was born into slavery, regardless of the ancestry or citizenship of the father. This principle was widely adopted into the laws regarding slavery in the colonies and the following United States, eliminating financial responsibility of fathers for children born into slavery.

more...

Spoiler

the one drop rule is over, it's a new day. We off that

correct, the one drop rule is over; otherwise, these white americans would be black

• Approximately 3.5 percent of European Americans have one percent or more African ancestry. Many of these European Americans who describe themselves as "white" may be unaware of their African ancestry since the African ancestor may be five to 10 generations in the past.
• European Americans with African ancestry are found at much higher frequencies in southern states than in other parts of the United States. The ancestry proportions point to the different regional impacts of slavery, immigration, migration and colonization within the United States:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-12-23andme-genetic-portrait.html

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

This isnt splitting hair, your arguing something nobody is debating.

As far as #ADOS is concerned were not 100% black, most AA's are 10-30% white, that's what makes us AA, just like most east Eritreans are part middle eastern...that's what makes us who we are.

However most AA do not have recent white relatives. Most AA's admixture comes from slave rape, that's the difference between AA's and biracials...there mixture is by choice, our was by force. They have a white parent and cousins..we dont.

So it has nothing to do with who is 100% NO ONE IS DEBATING THAT, YOUR LOST..

And for your last point, you guys keep referring to the one drop rule..WHICH WAS FORCED ON US, its has been like that but that too was by force and not by choice.

But it's a new day, the one drop rule is dead.
And white people dont get to dictate who is black.

If your black wanted to have black child so bad they should of had a child with another black person..but they didnt, that's not on us.

Nothing wrong with being biracial fyi, part black or part white......but its not the same

And recognizing that difference doesnt make them any less or better then us..

You seem to be telling it like you’d like it to be

you’re saying the one drop IS dead. No. It’s not. You’d like it to be. But in our community, it simply is not.

The majority of black people consider, welcome, call, accept, whatever word you wanna put there.... they consider mixed people black.

to the black community, pat maholmes is black, Obama is black, kaep is black, the Hughes brothers are black, Lenny kravitz is black, bob marley is black, Sade is black, etc etc

no not back in slavery. No not 5 years ago. RIGHT NOW. Ain’t a white person alive told me any of these people were black... BLACK PEOPLE told me they were black, every step of my life, and would say it if I asked 100000000 of them right now

you doubt that? What you speak of is some future wishful thinking and you know it




Edit: also notice the anger when someone even says mixed. Look at how angry we were at Tiger for admitting he was mixed. Oh hell nah you black. Look at how we praised that young tennis player for not letting anyone call her Asian. “Well I’m also Haitian” almost inducted her in the hall of fame. Look at swelling number of black people who said The Rock was black. Then later turned on him for never representing being black

white people didn’t tell us to do that. WE did that and still do. That day ain’t here yet breh

 

[KodeBlue]

I understand that when u get more money your environment might change but I mean damn u really wanna be a future Caucasian that bad

Is there an example of the reverse?

The Kardashians.

Ironically, the Kardashians dated the Jacksons

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

False, there is more then enough financial well off blacks to marry eachother, they just dont want too

I didn't say that there weren't enough rich blacks.....I'm saying you have more white options....purely a numbers game.

It takes a concerted effort to date black only at that level. Some people would rather just date whoever falls in their path while others have a specific plan. It is what it is.

 

[ultraflexed]

You seem to be telling it like you’d like it to be

you’re saying the one drop IS dead. No. It’s not. You’d like it to be. But in our community, it simply is not.

The majority of black people consider, welcome, call, accept, whatever word you wanna put there.... they consider mixed people black.

to the black community, pat maholmes is black, Obama is black, kaep is black, the Hughes brothers are black, Lenny kravitz is black, bob marley is black, Sade is black, etc etc

no not back in slavery. No not 5 years ago. RIGHT NOW. Ain’t a white person alive told me any of these people were black... BLACK PEOPLE told me they were black, every step of my life, and would say it if I asked 100000000 of them right now

you doubt that? What you speak of is some future wishful thinking and you know it




Edit: also notice the anger when someone even says mixed. Look at how angry we were at Tiger for admitting he was mixed. Oh hell nah you black. Look at how we praised that young tennis player for not letting anyone call her Asian. “Well I’m also Haitian” almost inducted her in the hall of fame. Look at swelling number of black people who said The Rock was black. Then later turned on him for never representing being black

white people didn’t tell us to do that. WE did that and still do. That day ain’t here yet breh

You proved my point, more an more biracials are starting to identify as such, which is why you have tiger woods, also megan markel, also with Obama his white mother referenced heavily.

No one is debating weather biracial people are accepted into black family's or welcomed or if biracial have historically been identified as black.

But today more and more are claiming their full heritage, and biracial who have kids are raising their kids as multi-race but not exclusively black

In an increasingly mixed-race America, who decides what we call ourselves?


That's the difference between being black/full asos by blood then by look.
Ados, we dont get to double Dutch in and out of blackness, it's what we are, were 10-30% white but we dont raise our to be multi-raced or mixed, because were not, we have admixture but were not mixed...that's the difference.


Go on YouTube this debate is going on especially with black women, shyt has already started changing

 

[Ya?]

You proved my point, more an more biracials are starting to identify as such, which is why you have tiger woods, also megan markel, also with Obama his white mother referenced heavily.

No one is debating weather biracial people are accepted into black family's or welcomed or if biracial have historically been identified as black.

But today more and more are claiming their full heritage, and biracial who have kids are raising their kids as multi-race but not exclusively black

In an increasingly mixed-race America, who decides what we call ourselves?


That's the difference between being black/full asos by blood then by look.
Ados, we dont get to double Dutch in and out of blackness, it's what we are, were 10-30% white but we dont raise our to be multi-raced or mixed, because were not, we have admixture but were not mixed...that's the difference.


Go on YouTube this debate is going on especially with black women, shyt has already started changing

Black women will be the ones changing this narrative because they are the ones who are being erased in favour of mixed women and shamed/guilted otherwise. Until mixed men are seen like as black men in the same way that mixed raced women are. This convo will never be honest when dominated by BM.

Its funny actually as black Americans moved on over the centuries light skinned/mixed men were standard of upward mobility and learned men. They were the face of Black men but that has since changed from the 90s onwards and any conversation of light skinned bm being "in" always brings about a degree of resentment.

Yet it be the same guys shaming non mixed BW for posing back on the one drop rule narrative that erases them and place mixed women as the standard while pushing back on any perceived attempt of the same being done to them. Thats how disingenuous a lot of coli posters are on this site.