Spinoff: What's up with Black Celeb Families wiping out their blackness?

[IllmaticDelta]

It's because there FORCED TOO..BY WHITE PEOPLE.

There is no check box for biracial black/white or mixed.
And white people wont allow biracials to claim white unless there white passing.

Its is complicated issue that needs to be discussed.

But like I said white people dont get to decide who is black

they have two or more races on the census

 

[Master Teacher]

black men refuse to build black communities or to bring order to the neighborhoods blacks reside, so this is nothing knew

entertainers get rich and move away from black people so their kids grow up wanting to be white because they are outcast in their surroundings and the only positive images they see are of whites

 

[IllmaticDelta]

LIKE I SAID ITS NOT UP TO WHITE PEOPLE TO DECIDE WHO IS BLACK.

you're right

12 Beautiful Portraits Of Black Identity Challenging the "One-Drop" Rule

"What are you?" they'd ask, head tilted and eyes squinted.

"Black," I'd reply.





"No ... but like, what else are you? I know it's not all black."

So went a typical interrogation by my peers as a kid. With skin lighter than even some who identify as White and hair that streaks blond in the sun, I've never been offended by the question, although I have since changed my response. To the more politically correct question that I'm asked in adulthood — "Where are you from?" — I would recite my ethnic makeup, followed by a definitive, "But I identify as Black." (If I feel like being a wise ass, I'll simply reply with "New Jersey.")

These are the questions that Dr. Yaba Blay and photographer Noelle Théard encourage us to wrestle with in (1)ne Drop: Shifting the Lens on Race. Featuring the perspectives of 58 people who identify as part of the larger "racial, cultural, and social group generally referred to and known as Black," the book combines candid memoirs and striking portraits to explore the complexities of Black identity and celebrate an individual's right to self-identify.


(1)ne Drop's title derives from the "one-drop rule" — a (successful) attempt to define blackness in America as one drop, or at least 1/32, of Black ancestry for the economic, social and political purposes of distinguishing a Black person from a White person. I say "successful," because the one-drop rule still holds cultural weight today, especially with regard to how we value light and dark skin. For this reason, Dr. Blay aims to "challenge narrow yet popular perceptions of what Blackness is and what Blackness looks like."

"I think the context that we live in shapes the way you identify yourself, and the way others identify you," says Dr. Blay. And therein lies the power of (1)ne Drop. From Zun Lee, a man who has always identified as Black despite being phenotypically Asian, to Sembene McFarland, a woman whose vitiligo bizarrely blurs other people's perception of her race, to James Bartlett, a man who is mistaken for Italian, Arab or Hispanic depending on what U.S. city he's in, (1)ne Drop narrates a story of blackness that is not bound by looks, but that is fluid and empowered by the act of self-identification.

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8. Brandon Stanford – “African American”
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"My consciousness never really allowed me to think of myself as anything else but Black or a person of African descent. Anyone who has had the opportunity to get to know me never questions my race. They never question me being Black. Never. Regardless of my complexion. But for those who don't necessarily know me, based on my phenotype and their perception, I've had some interesting experiences."


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12 Beautiful Portraits Of Black Identity Challenging the "One-Drop" Rule


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what you didn't post is the data on how many of those biracials marry black..

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/time-for-ados-to-kill-the-one-drop-rule.774913/page-9#post-37389499

 

[IllmaticDelta]

hard to study because just identify as "black"

But Ados has centuries in with this. We would look like Brazil already; our history completely prevented that

facts....peep this article from over 130 years; some cac's observation of ADOS not having "true negroes" and going the way of blacks in Latin America. As we can see, SHYT NEVER HAPPENED

ADOS' admx stays contained within the population and they don't mix with non-blacks to large enough degree to get mixed out

 

[ultraflexed]

you're right

12 Beautiful Portraits Of Black Identity Challenging the "One-Drop" Rule



12 Beautiful Portraits Of Black Identity Challenging the "One-Drop" Rule


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https://www.thecoli.com/threads/time-for-ados-to-kill-the-one-drop-rule.774913/page-9#post-37389499

Checkmate homie article I posted has data that states biracials who identify as part white prefer white partners.

Also biracials who identify as part black were 11 times more willing to date those who identify as "other"..
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...e-of-another-race-study-finds/?outputType=amp



Like I said...black mother+black father= black child

 

[Kilgore Trout]

This thread is a spinoff of my Jasmine Jordan thread. to Jasmine for not being a sellout like her brothers. But why do so many Black Celeb Families try their best to wipe out their blackness?

The Jacksons went from this:

To this

Diana Ross' family

We already know what's about to happen to this family

Whites know how to cater to people with wealth

 

[Skooby]

How different would that pic look, If Micheal Jackson himself married Ola ray from thriller
His siblings would have followed suit

She bleached her skin:




"Thriller" Model Looks Great Now, But One Thing About Her Looks Is Alarmingly Different

 

[ultraflexed]

She bleached her skin:




"Thriller" Model Looks Great Now, But One Thing About Her Looks Is Alarmingly Different

Another media influence example, if mike never bleached himself, most likely she would have never did it...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Checkmate homie article I posted has data that states biracials who identify as part white prefer white partners.

Also biracials who identify as part black were 11 times more willing to date those who identify as "other"..
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2016/05/16/biracial-singles-are-more-willing-to-date-someone-of-another-race-study-finds/?outputType=amp



Like I said...black mother+black father= black child

I've already shown that biracial have black experiences and they're closer to their black family. Now, you said it's up to black people themselves to define who's is black, not white people. Here is more evidence on how black people feel about biracials:


Previous research in America has focused almost exclusively on how white people regard biracial people and has shown that they tend to categorize those of mixed race as belonging to the racial category of their minority parent. In new research with two colleagues, Kteily wanted to know whether black people tended to do the same thing.

The research finds that overall, both races view black-white biracial people as slightly “more black than white,” says Kteily.

But white and black people appear to differ in why they might classify biracial people this way. Namely, white people who classify biracial people as more black tend to hold more anti-egalitarian views, while black people who classify biracial people as more black show the opposite pattern, tending to be more in favor of equality between groups.

White participants who classified the child as more black had slightly higher levels of anti-egalitarianism, just as previous work had found. But, in a new finding, black participants showed the opposite trend: those who classified the child as more black were more likely to endorse the principle of equality between social groups.

In order to assess egalitarian tendencies, the researchers asked 200 US-born white participants and 200 US-born black participants to rate online how strongly they felt about statements such as “We should do what we can to equalize conditions for different groups.” The participants were a nationally representative sample, making this the first such study to look at hypodescent.

The researchers also asked the participants five questions about a child with one black parent and one white parent, including “Do you think the kid should be thought of as relatively black or relatively white?” and “Do you think the kid will look more black or white?”

Overall, both black and white participants rated the biracial child as slightly more black than white. On a scale from 1 (“relatively white”) to 7 (“relatively black”), white participants provided an average rating of 4.25, while black participants provided an average rating of 4.42. In both cases, these ratings were (statistically) significantly different from the neutral midpoint of the scale.

How Are Black–White Biracial People Perceived in Terms of Race?

Next, the team looked at how feelings of discrimination influenced black participants’ answers about the biracial child.

Based on prior work suggesting that egalitarianism is associated with sensitivity to inequality and power differences, the researchers reasoned that more egalitarian blacks would be more likely to perceive discrimination against both black people and against black–white biracials. This sense of shared discrimination, the researchers proposed, could serve as one basis on which blacks would come to include black–white biracials as members of their own group.

In one correlational study, the researchers measured the extent to which black participants’ agreed with statements like “Black–white biracials are frequently the victims of racial discrimination.”

The team found that the more a participant agreed with such statements, the likelier they were to perceive biracial individuals as more black than white.

In a final study, the researchers experimentally manipulated black people’s perception of the degree of discrimination faced by black–white biracials by having them read one of two articles before categorizing biracial people.

One group of participants read that biracial people do not experience discrimination, while another read passages indicating the opposite. A final group of participants, in a control condition, were not given any information to read about discrimination faced by black–white biracials.

In all three groups, black participants were also given a questionnaire that gauged their level of agreement with statements such as “Blacks and black–white biracials share a common destiny” and “Issues that affect the black community also affect black–white biracials.”

Relative to participants in the control condition, those who read that biracials are in fact subject to high levels of societal discrimination tended to feel a greater sense of shared fate with biracial individuals. This in turn predicted a higher likelihood of classifying the child as more black than white. In contrast, blacks who read that biracials did not experience discrimination felt less common fate with biracials than those in the control condition, and were less likely to classify the biracial child as black.

“Reducing the extent to which black people think that biracials are discriminated against also reduces their tendency to think of them as black, because it reduces their feeling of a shared fate between blacks and black–white biracials. On the other hand, increasing perceptions of discrimination against biracials also seems to increase blacks’ tendency to include them within their group,” Kteily says.

That is surprising, according to Kteily, because people are often restrictive about whom they allow to be considered part of their community.

“From many existing perspectives, if someone is half white and half black, you might expect black people to be very hesitant to say they’re black,” he says. “Yet here, the overall tendency is to see them as part of the group rather than outsiders. What we’re finding is consistent with solidarity and inclusiveness rooted in perceptions of a common negative experience.”

Beyond the role of perceiving shared discrimination that the researchers identified, black people’s choice to include biracials within their group could, in theory, also stem from a need for collective action: having more people who think of themselves as black means there are more people to fight discrimination together, Kteily says.

How Are Black–White Biracial People Perceived in Terms of Race?


so, pretty much what we already knew

white people = see biracials as black; even more if they they don't see the races as equal

black people = see biracials as black. Most of all, their bond is tighter with biracials who lived the black experience

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

See I am a frugal mothafukka so I look at this shyt as transfer of wealth. If these folks were the wealthy ones and I had less money and fame would they marry me or have kids with me? Nope they would not have.

So if thats the case why would I produce offspring with or marry them?

Second me as a person I am proud of who I am and who raised me. So I couldn't see myself not with a black women. How can I talk all that black this and black that and the woman on my arm isn't black.

Finally I am wired different. As a man I can see brothas smashing non black women. But I just don't understand coming home everyday to a woman you with longterm who can't really relate to you when it comes to racial issues in america and the world. Plus I like me some kinky hair, full lips, wide hips, big butts and different skin colors (brown, light brown, tan, lightskin, dark skin and etc) on my women and don't no one got all that but black women. So I knew even at a young age that if I got married she was gonna be black (no matter where she was from in the states or outside the states).

This is all weird to me cause they are too many THEYS

You are one person... You are going to get married to ONE PERSON... Who gives a flying fukk what any of the other 7 billion people on Earth WOULD DO??

Would YOUR WIFE marry you if you had less money than her? That's the only question to concern yourself with... not what would all white people do as a majority.

When I find that one person, I'm gonna be worried about US... Not what her momma, daddy, sister, doing.. Especially not what imaginary other people of her race are doing....



I mean think logically... Would a rich black family really welcome your broke dusty ass to marry their daughter? Nobody rich wants their kids marrying some broke bum. Why would that even be a factor if SHE wants your ass?

 

[EBK String]

Fax, but it goes a little further imo.

Even if they are raised right next to their own, it doesn't matter if the parents don't instill pride and expectations.


Plenty of parents say dumb shyt like "I'm okay with whoever you marry "

fukk all that. My parents let me know from the jump they would not attend any wedding to a oyinbo (cac).

I'm doing the same for my own. I do not want to be related to cacs, period

what they day about akata?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Wait a generation

Unless u think they've turned black already lol

Actually its not.
The Kardashians biracial kids are not helped raised by kanye's said the of the family.

Now if kanye's mom was alive an involved you might have a argument. But kanye is the only black influence there...so no, goal post not moved

Definitely moved.... These Jackson kids are raised by MJ's MOM... They are around fully black people day in, day out... And yet, they are considered as "wiping out their blackness" just cause one parent is white.. If they get with a white person, then that kid is gonna be 75% white and therefore blackness is gone...................


But the Kardashians have the exact same thing... Bunch of white women, having kids with black men... Those kids have a baby with one black person, and those grandkids are 75% black and "wiped out their whiteness"...............................



Somehow though... It's suddenly a new factor where you have to also live with black people and be influenced by them?? But isn't Will and Jada black? Aren't they gonna be in the grandkids life? So which is it?

 

[Kumi]

Truth.com

Take people as they come to you but have a pride of self that carries through in actions.

I legit be befuddled by people who beat the black power drum but bed down with klansman colors.

Proud of your blackness but not to the point of continuing it?

This goes for the civil rights leaders of back in the day n the social media activist of today.

Shyts not bearing out.

 

[ultraflexed]

I've already shown that biracial have black experiences and they're closer to their black family. Now, you said it's up to black people themselves to define who's is black, not white people. Here is more evidence on how black people feel about biracials:


Previous research in America has focused almost exclusively on how white people regard biracial people and has shown that they tend to categorize those of mixed race as belonging to the racial category of their minority parent. In new research with two colleagues, Kteily wanted to know whether black people tended to do the same thing.

The research finds that overall, both races view black-white biracial people as slightly “more black than white,” says Kteily.

But white and black people appear to differ in why they might classify biracial people this way. Namely, white people who classify biracial people as more black tend to hold more anti-egalitarian views, while black people who classify biracial people as more black show the opposite pattern, tending to be more in favor of equality between groups.









How Are Black–White Biracial People Perceived in Terms of Race?






How Are Black–White Biracial People Perceived in Terms of Race?


so, pretty much what we already knew

white people = see biracials as black; even more if they they don't see the races as equal

black people = see biracials as black. Most of all, their bond is tighter with biracials who lived the black experience

Doesnt matter how white people see them..
You dont get it yet..



Black people dont see them as black sites examples I've already mentioned

And history complicates it.
Out respect for civil right leader and the one drop rule in the past, legacy wise, those biracials are considered black like fredrick Douglas.

But present day blacks no.
Black men play along due to how beautiful biracials can be, theyll claim them for sexual and relationship aspirations to play along.

If you ask black men of they consider Blake griffen black. They say no.
But if you ask them if lolo woods is who looks white passing..they say yes...wonder why

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Doesnt matter how white people see them..
You dont get it yet..



Black people dont see them as black sites examples I've already mentioned

did you miss this?

white participants provided an average rating of 4.25, while black participants provided an average rating of 4.42


black people saw biracials as black at a slightly higher rate than white people