SPIN: WOULD "SUPERSTAR Steve Austin" made ECW a legit competitor to WWF and WCW

[Wacky D]

Not revising anything, I've been consistent. I just don't feel like typing novels here. I'm hoping you can connect, but I gotta take the word of others about your wacky claims and move on. If you think TNA can be built with WCW still active, and can't see the influence Stone Cold had on the WWF, that's on you

now youre being an a$$hole.

that was never my argument and you know it.

 

[Wacky D]

this is why im not nice to many people on here.

heres the initial argument below before you created a diversion, so that you can save face i guess.

thats the last time i post on here half sleep.

and btw, the x-division built TNA. not wwf/wcw cast-offs.

HERE:

No. ECW could never have the money and talent to compete with the other two. They had a lot of fringe talent, and enough to stay viabke, like a better version of TNA, but they would have eventually went OOB when the wrestling boom period fell off in 2000's. WWE owned all the territories and WCW would've had the South.

TNA >>> ECW

There likely would've been no TNA if ECW didn't fold when it did, along with WCW. Where would the talent have come from, and how much was anyone going to pay them? You are right though, but it is WWE and WCW castoffs that built it.

TNA & ECW arent in the same realm.

TNA is one of the promotions that came out aiming to fill the void that WCW left.

TNA wouldve existed regardless of what ecw was doing. and they'd be a bigger promotion as well. TNA was bringing in stars from day one that wouldnt have dealt with ecw.

 

[MrSinnister]

now youre being an a$$hole.

that was never my argument and you know it.

Yes it was. No matter how far we go in the weeds with Rock vs Austin (I wasn't saying either was the better performer, just the environment in which they were created and allowed to grow), without Austin, there is no Rock as we know it. Without Austin, a lot of things stay in early 90's or HBK vs Bret mode (if ever happens without Austin there as the big bad amongst the 2). It doesn't work and Rock broke out after the Screwjob.

Take out Austin and things fall apart quickly. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Wacky D]

Yes it was. No matter how far we go in the weeds with Rock vs Austin (I wasn't saying either was the better performer, just the environment in which they were created and allowed to grow), without Austin, there is no Rock as we know it. Without Austin, a lot of things stay in early 90's or HBK vs Bret mode (if ever happens without Austin there as the big bad amongst the 2). It doesn't work and Rock broke out after the Screwjob.

Take out Austin and things fall apart quickly. That's all I'm saying.

the wwf wouldve changed the direction of their product regardless. it wasnt just austin.

the attitude era was based off of the times in wrestling & pop culture.

they stayed sharking stuff from the NWO(austin vs vince included) and steady bit the hell out of ecw. the rest of their stuff was influence by the shock tv era of television.

 

[MrSinnister]

look up

I didn't see anything important. You keep talking diversions. Nothing's a diversion from the original thread. You're the one caping for TNA. I'm saying it wouldn't be in existence as WCW would've beat out WWF without Austin. So we go wayyyyy in the weeds because you still think TNA would exist and saying I'm changing shyt from other's comments.

 

[Wacky D]

I didn't see anything important. You keep talking diversions. Nothing's a diversion from the original thread. You're the one caping for TNA. I'm saying it wouldn't be in existence as WCW would've beat out WWF without Austin. So we go wayyyyy in the weeds because you still think TNA would exist and saying I'm changing shyt from other's comments.

and again, none of this was ever my argument jackass.

the point was that TNA WOULD EXIST IF ECW NEVER FOLDED.

pick ya face up.

 

[MrSinnister]

and again, none of this was ever my argument jackass.

Then what is your argument? Up until you claimed I was taking from other posters ( I already knew Austin took bits he learned from ECW and brought it and fearlessness to WWF, just not specifics) I was taking your arguments at face value. Then you started trying to discredit me on some diversion bullshyt yourself.

Who's really the jackass Mr. Nothing Changes?

 

[MrSinnister]

Yes, TNA, at its peak, is better than ECW would've been at its peak. Still, TNA only has to compete with 1 organization, who routinely misuses and casts off potential stars on mostly and relationship bullshyt. Don't see how those are factors if WCW is still in business with guaranteed contracts.

Edit: 2 semi major ones to compete with (WWE- the huge one that has all the money and resources and ROH), and a lot of fringe and international ones with no US airtime really.

 

[MrSinnister]

and again, none of this was ever my argument jackass.

the point was that TNA WOULD EXIST IF ECW NEVER FOLDED.

pick ya face up.

You do realize my debate is that it wouldn't right??

Don't answer. Again, you weren't ready for this debate. So, before it gets more personal, I'll let you pick your face up with me bowing out. We're done here.

 

[Wacky D]

You do realize my debate is that it wouldn't right??

Don't answer. Again, you weren't ready for this debate. So, before it gets more personal, I'll let you pick your face up with me bowing out. We're done here.

and now youre using my lines too.

coli, where'd yall find his clown?

so youre saying that TNA couldnt co-exist with ecw? i asked you to confirm this yesterday and you went off course.

 

[OGBobbyJohnson]

 

[Reality Check]

ECW wasn't going to be a legit contender unless at some point Paul Heyman turned over the financials to a legitimate finance person that could straighten things out. With that out of the way, even if that was the case, Austin arriving in 1995 would not have made ECW a legit competitor, even if he stayed a full year.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

No all it would of done is made Steve Austin's even more in demand.

But then we don't get Austin 3:16 and most likely don't get the Bret/Austin feud.

 

[dh86]

ECW would have made it to the modern days if it made it to 2002 with high speed internet and DVDs

 

[dh86]

No all it would of done is made Steve Austin's even more in demand.

But then we don't get Austin 3:16 and most likely don't get the Bret/Austin feud.

True, it would have been another Cactus Jack where Vince brought him in to face Taker and Shawn immediately instead of starting from the bottom