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If it wasn't for Qui Gon insisting on recruiting Anakin the dark side gets him way faster. A PRIME Sith Anakin?!
SPIN: Obi-Wan dies instead of Qui-Gon. What changes?
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Anakin falling had nothing to do with balance, and everything with his own selfishness and weakness. Balance isn't Jedi = Sith. The Sith corrupt the balance, while the Jedi live in harmony. Killing Sith = bringing balance to the force.
Anakin brings balance by destroying Palpatine, and leaving Luke to establish the new Jedi Order.
That is how the saga ends
Even if you include the Disney shyt, Anakin and the Jedi bring balance again by helping Rey destroy Palpatine's clone.
Leaving Rey....eugh....Skywalker to build a new Jedi Order.
"Rey, bring balance to the force like I did"
damn near vomited typing that shyt
I will give Disney credit for including Mace in there, putting the final nail in the coffin of the fanbase who claim he, and the prequel Jedi, were somehow not proper Jedi.
Leaving Rey....eugh....Skywalker to build a new Jedi Order.
"Rey, bring balance to the force like I did"
damn near vomited typing that shyt
I will give Disney credit for including Mace in there, putting the final nail in the coffin of the fanbase who claim he, and the prequel Jedi, were somehow not proper Jedi.
The Jedi Order needed to change, to grow, wiping them out did nothing good and made things much much worse for the force. Anakin should've killed Palpatine together with Mace, but he didn't and he corrects that with Luke.
Add Qui-Gon and I still maintain that Anakin does not fall:
- Shmi would not be killed the way she was.
- Anakin is not so isolated that he becomes obsessed with Padme.
- Palpatine will not be in his ear as much.
There is no reason for him to turn, unless Qui-Gon would've done a 180 and become the teacher that Obi-Wan tried to be.
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If it wasn't for Qui Gon insisting on recruiting Anakin the dark side gets him way faster. A PRIME Sith Anakin?!
Yeah but it would be a lot harder for Order 66 to be successful without the Jedi being betrayed from the inside.
There's no reason to think Shmi wouldn't still be killed the same way, Qui-Gon was the one that made the deal to only save Anakin to start with.
No reason to think Anakin wouldn't still be obsessed with Padme. And ABSOLUTELY no reason to think Palpatine is going to stay away just because of Qui-Gon.
Yall out here acting like Qui-Gon is Jesus or something.
Yeah but it would be a lot harder for Order 66 to be successful without the Jedi being betrayed from the inside.
There's no reason to think Shmi wouldn't still be killed the same way, Qui-Gon was the one that made the deal to only save Anakin to start with.
No reason to think Anakin wouldn't still be obsessed with Padme. And ABSOLUTELY no reason to think Palpatine is going to stay away just because of Qui-Gon.
Yall out here acting like Qui-Gon is Jesus or something.
Exactly
Only Jedi who'd have a fighting chance would be Yoda when it comes to developing Anakin the right way where he'd never turn to the darkside
Yeah but it would be a lot harder for Order 66 to be successful without the Jedi being betrayed from the inside.
There's no reason to think Shmi wouldn't still be killed the same way, Qui-Gon was the one that made the deal to only save Anakin to start with.
No reason to think Anakin wouldn't still be obsessed with Padme. And ABSOLUTELY no reason to think Palpatine is going to stay away just because of Qui-Gon.
Yall out here acting like Qui-Gon is Jesus or something.
Qui-Gon wasn't as rigid as the Jedi, the fact that he manipulated Watto (via the cube) to free Anakin shows this. It's about character, what do YOU think Qui-Gon would do about Shmi?
I'm not saying he'd have her live in the Temple, but seeing his behaviour and Anakin's mentality I highly doubt he would leave her there.
Padme - part of Anakin's obsession with her is his insecurity and isolation, which comes back to Shmi. So my belief that QGJ wouldn't let Shmi live on as a slave directly impacts Anakins need for a mommy figure in his life.
Palpatine - I'm definitely not saying that Palpatine has anything to fear from QGJ as a person. What I mean is that with QGJ there, Anakin doesn't need Palpatine's pimp talk. Palpatine got into his ear because Anakin knew that at the end of TPM Obi-Wan disliked him and thought he was dangerous.
These things don't happen in a vacuum, the absence of Shmi and Qui-Gon directly bred Anakins need for Padme and Palpatine.
QGJ doing sth for Shmi is the only assumption that I would be willing to budge on, but he'd definitely act as soon as Anakin sensed she was in danger - rather than Obi-Wans "dreams pass in time".
Further proof that Padme is Anakins replacement for Shmi comes EXACTLY after Obi-Wan says this, "I'd much rather dream about Padme". Anakins fear and insecurity about his mom is replaced by his obsession with Padme in that very scene.
Qui-Gon isn't on the council and can't do anything about Shmi, he said so himself. He might be more sympathetic but Shmi would still most likely get killed, it's not like he's going to stay on Tattoine and be her bodyguard.
Anakin already had a thing for Padme even in Episode 1 so that probably happens regardless. And Palpatine was definitely going to be after Anakin no matter what else happened. He'd literally have Padme or Shmi killed himself if need be.
Truth is, Anakin just isn't and never was the type of person suited to be Jedi. He's too emotionally unstable.
I don't think a 9 year old is doomed already
Being born into slavery definitely fukked him up, but I think the death (and manner of death) of Shmi is the catalyst that drove him insane. And I think Qui-Gon, even if we say he wouldn't risk freeing her, would've handled Anakins visions differently.
Jmare007
pico pal q lee
I don't know. Qui Gon was pretty into the "prophecy" and he was going to butt heads with the Jedi Council constantly regarding Anakin. I could see Palpatine sneaking around and playing with Anakin's emotional ass over how the JC is useless and probably staying Qui Gon's murder so Anakin loses that father figure AND blames the Council about it so he turns on them.
MasterOfAllHeSurveyz
All Star
Anakin, turning, was always contingent on his mother and the aftermath of her death. That was the first salvo in his turning. He had attachments no other Jedi had to go through. It wouldn't have matter if Qui-Gon lived or died. As Mace Windu said in TPM, "He's too old." It's clear that Yoda was outvoted by the council, and I wouldn't be surprised if Lucas ever confirms Windu voting against him being trained as well. They knew the danger.
From AOTC commentary:
Heck, in Obi-Wan Kenobi, OWK tells Leia only has glimpses of people he thinks were his parents and brother. Anakin never stood a chance.
From AOTC commentary:
Tryna Makit
High plains drifter
Speaking of...where the fukk is the Obi-wan thread and why is it not stickied?
I think QGJ trains Anakin better since he's more suited for it. He empathizes more with the humanitarian side of the Jedi, rather than the detached monk aspect of it. He'll be handling Anakin's emotions and personal issues better.
I also think he prevents palpatine from grooming him. I think he dies later in order 66 with the rest of the Jedi
I also think he prevents palpatine from grooming him. I think he dies later in order 66 with the rest of the Jedi