Spike Lee Goes in: "Django is disrespectful to my ancestors".....

[Marvel]

shyt, you talking about critics and shyt... I mean the movie wouldnt be MADE if Spike Lee was director. Like:

Spike: "I have this screenplay, its awesome."
Producer and studio execs: "Oh? Whats it about?"
Spike: "Its a love story."
P&SE: "Oh? tell me more"
Spike: "Well its about violently freed slave who kills scores of slavemasters and racists to... (*click*) hello? Guys you still there?"


If Spike's name was there instead of QT, it doesnt get to the developmental stage"

No doubt, it doesn't even get approved by the studio. They would just give him the

And again, that is part of the bullshyt with Hollywood that I am talking about. Its the same reason Danny Glover could not get a studio that was willing to work on an amazing story about the Haitian Revolution which is part of American history. With Haiti gaining independence. France does not sell Louisiana and we don;t expand westward towards California.

 

[mastermind]

No doubt, it doesn't even get approved by the studio. They would just give him the

And again, that is part of the bullshyt with Hollywood that I am talking about. Its the same reason Danny Glover could not get a studio that was willing to work on an amazing story about the Haitian Revolution which is part of American history. With Haiti gaining independence. France does not sell Louisiana and we don;t expand westward towards California.

white people dont like non-white heroes that make white people look bad.

 

[Northern Son]

It's not about bias or racism. it's about demographics and money.

think about it this way

Movie A: Costs 40 million, but caters to whites so it will make 60 million.
Movie B: Costs 40 million, but caters to blacks, so it will make only 20 million.

What sane business man would make a movie that caters to blacks? When there is pay off is so small? Blacks don't make up more than 12% of the population. A black film would need to have a small budget in order to be profitable.

That's a piss weak excuse. Jews comprise what percent of America again? And they get their story told how many millions of times?

Hollywood is racist. Hollywood has no problem financing films like Monster's Ball and Precious. How come "demographics" haven't stopped those films from getting the green light?

 

[Marvel]

white people dont like non-white heroes that make white people look bad.

Yep, and I stated that earlier in this thread. Its the reason, QT has to add the white, German bounty hunter. Its the character, that white people will identify with to make themselves feel good. QT really knew what he was doing.

 

[El Bombi]

I'm surprise a movie like Collateral got the green light.

Where a white man is trying to kill an innocent black man & woman. The black man is the hero by saving the black woman from the evil white man.

 

[MouseTeeth]

white people dont like non-white heroes that make white people look bad.

Totally right. But I think this movie might open doors for more movies tilted in that direction. As a pasty white cracker myself I thoroughly enjoyed the revenge aspect of this movie. Was rooting for Jamie the whole way

 

[OsO]

The movie was great from an entertainment standpoint.

The bolded part, just like Inglorious b*stards is purely a fantasy. This small amount of entertainment is not going to change or give retribution for the reality of the harsh past. We should not lose sight of this. Its the reason why white people can clap at the end of the movie like , instead of being like

Now, about Spike Lee...I agree, he should have watched the movie first. QT did a good job mixing genres (blaxploitation and spaghetti western). I give him major props for that. He could have been more raw, like

Spoiler

a rape or sex scene with slaves

That would have had some people really upset, things were implied instead.

Had Spike Lee watched the movie, then he could attack things on the level of what Tariq said which I consider to spot on. There were subliminal messages that QT was sending to black people, white people, and others that hate us. What Tariq said are the kinds of things I notice in Hollywood, because we all know that Hollywood be on that bullshyt when it comes to black people.

i never said django makes up for the entire experience of slavery. i said the ancestors enjoyed seeing a black slave dismantle his oppressor (for once).

and who is tariq, and what were his critiques of the movie?

 

[Real]

So wait....people have a problem with the word 'nikka' being used in a slave movie?

 

[Marvel]

i never said django makes up for the entire experience of slavery. i said the ancestors enjoyed seeing a black slave dismantle his oppressor (for once).

and who is tariq, and what were his critiques of the movie?

(Mack Lesson’s Radio) Episode #386-”Tariq Nasheed’s Review Of Django Unchained” « A1HipHop 4 Years And Running

 

[Spin]

No doubt, it doesn't even get approved by the studio. They would just give him the

And again, that is part of the bullshyt with Hollywood that I am talking about. Its the same reason Danny Glover could not get a studio that was willing to work on an amazing story about the Haitian Revolution which is part of American history. With Haiti gaining independence. France does not sell Louisiana and we don;t expand westward towards California.

That's a piss weak excuse. Jews comprise what percent of America again? And they get their story told how many millions of times?

Hollywood is racist. Hollywood has no problem financing films like Monster's Ball and Precious. How come "demographics" haven't stopped those films from getting the green light?

Danny Glover might not of received money from Hollywood, but he got about $20 mill from Hugo Chavez back in 07/08 for the movie. I don't know how much he is looking to get, but he's not going to get $100 budget for that film. I'm sure he can get great actors for less than their normal salary and just shoot the damn thing. The Kings Speech was made for $15 million and made over $400 million and Oscar awards. RZA's budget for Man With The Iron Fist was $20 million as well.

 

[Fillerguy]

So wait....people have a problem with the word 'nikka' being used in a slave movie?

:rational: yea. This the first movie to ever use "******"

 

[Real]

:rational: yea. This the first movie to ever use "******"

They didnt even say "er" that much.

But i feel wat u sayin

 

[VerbalIntercourse]

That's a piss weak excuse. Jews comprise what percent of America again? And they get their story told how many millions of times?

Hollywood is racist. Hollywood has no problem financing films like Monster's Ball and Precious. How come "demographics" haven't stopped those films from getting the green light?

Those films were cheap to make.

precious was a 10 million dollar film. Monsters ball was only 4 million.

Amistad was a 36 million dollar film and it only took in 44 million.

By the same coin Schindler's list was 21 million film and it made 321 million.

The numbers speak for themselves.

Movie Rev - cost= $ %

Precious 63m - 10M = 53m GM = 84%
Monsters ball 44m- 4m= 40m GM= 90%
Amistad 44M-36m= 8M GM=18%
Schindler's List 321m -21M= 300M GM=93%

Black movies simply have a limited audience, domestic and world-wide, and they need to be cheap to have a good gross margin. In order for a cheap film to make a smash, it has to be some controversial drama that gets hype by word of mouth. Usually, I feel they are exploitation films.

Amistad was a big epic movie with a considerable budget, but look at the return on investment. It wasn't worth the time or money to make that movie.


Lucas put 58 million into Red Tails (much of it was his own money) and it only made 49 million. I watched it and it wasn't a that bad of a movie. Was it as bad as Transformers? no way. People in the south aren't going to watch that shyt.

 

[VerbalIntercourse]

Of course, but it's not simply a neutral matter of relatability that white audiences would not support a film with Black protagonists in many circumstances.

Of course many whites won't support a black protagonist.

I knew a few blacks who wouldn't see Lord of the Rings because it's "too white" for them.

even though nobody want's to talk about it. Race matters a whole lot when it comes to selling media in a capitalist system. not only is a black film protaganist a hard sell, so are black featured TV shows, Black featured pornography, Black Youtube channels, and even Black Musicians have a hard time.

It's easy to understand all this when one accepts that race is real and that nepotism is a real and quantifiable (sales data) phenomenon. People, on average, can best relate to their OWN kind. Moreover, Any race with a majority in numbers and buying power in an economy, will control, by simply means overwhelming demand, the market for media in that economy. Companies want to appeal to that key demographic. Nepotism will force companies to appeal by casting people who are of that majority race.

 

[The Real]

Of course many whites won't support a black protagonist.

I knew a few blacks who wouldn't see Lord of the Rings because it's "too white" for them.

even though nobody want's to talk about it. Race matters a whole lot when it comes to selling media in a capitalist system. not only is a black film protaganist a hard sell, so are black featured TV shows, Black featured pornography, Black Youtube channels, and even Black Musicians have a hard time.

It's easy to understand all this when one accepts that race is real and that nepotism is a real and quantifiable (sales data) phenomenon. People, on average, can best relate to their OWN kind. Moreover, Any race with a majority in numbers and buying power in an economy, will control, by simply means overwhelming demand, the market for media in that economy. Companies want to appeal to that key demographic. Nepotism will force companies to appeal by casting people who are of that majority race.

What you call nepotism is a historical, not natural phenomenon with respect to present-day racial categories. Before Irish and Italians and Jews were white, white "nepotism" was not extended to them. Similarly, white people being unable to relate to Black protagonists is also a historically-contingent phenomenon. It can and should change.

Just saying race is real as if that contradicts or dismisses its social and cultural valences (in this context, what you call race is indeed a construct) won't get you anywhere. Of course it's real- it's not biological, though, which is what you're trying to imply.