So what is this debate between @GoldenGlove and insentive about?
I'm not in the mood to go back
and read this
I'm not in the mood to go back
and read this
Spike Lee calls Chance the Rapper a "fraud, a straight up fraud"
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The Obama comparison is about one man cannot stop a structural problem that has been going on for decades just like that. If we just look at the murder count in 2014, it was the lowest in 50 years or whatever, should he go out and diss them for that?
Why would he go at Obama when my post is primarily concerned with LOCAL government ?
And WHY shouldn't he be critical of LOCAL government ? That's one of the primary reasons
Chicago is in the predicament that's it's currently in. I mean if memory serves me correctly
even the way the city is/was designed was around avoiding minorities and keeping them
as the de facto second class citizens.
For all intents and purposes we know that Chicago has been and currently still is facing
massive issues involving education, true gun control, funding, jobs etc.
These are issues that I personally feel eclipse a movie and then some.
I'll readily admit that I don't know much about his father or what he's achieved but I will say that
it doesn't appear to be the torch that Chance the rapper is carrying and it's primarily what this
thread seems to be about. Which is why I think if he has any criticism to throw about, it certainly shouldn't stop at Spike lee.
And frankly, I don't think Spike Lee's movie is about exploitation. I haven't seen it yet but
judging by the post @SunZoo made, I get the feeling it isn't nearly as bad as other brehs
are saying it is.
Furthermore I need to specificy that I'm not agreeing with Chance, when I say exploitation, I'm talking from his view. His point is that Spike Lee hasn't said shyt or cared about their problems. But since there's money to make he is all of sudden the go to person. I think the title of the movie is another problem, Chiraq is an ignorant title. It's a real problem, that entertainment Dj Akademiks styles title is beneath a dude like Spike Lee.
The way I see it is that Chance has lived in the areas and comes from a family where this is real life. He sees an outsider who doesn't give a fukk about it, sells it to Hollywood with a marketing scheme piggybacking of a stupid ass title as Chiraq.
I can't blame him for feeling some type of way, if someone did it to my area I would feel some type as well. It's not surprising, what surprises me is that Spike Lee is dissing people for reviewing his movie.
It's dumb because you're ignorant to Chance and what he's been doing for Chicago.
It's dumb because you're implying that his father has anything to do with the corruption that the Mayor has going on.
It's dumb mainly because, it still didn't answer the question... which is how he's a fraud because of what his pops job title is. If you've done your research you would know that both Chance and his pops have done a lot for Chicago. Spike is REACHING to the 10th degree, and smart dumb nikkas eating up that trash response as it's nothing more than a deflection for the garbage film that he released.
This is shyt he's done for the city over the last few years, nothing is "playing up on being awoke or conscious" like the bullshyt you're spewing in your post. And it's not stuff from lyrics in his songs.
Chicago’s Chance The Rapper Helps Stop Gun Violence In City For 42 Hours
Chance The Rapper Launches Second Annual Anti-Violence Initiative In Chicago
Chance The Rapper partners with non-profit to provide 1,000 winter coats for Chicago’s homeless
Chance the Rapper Is a Chicagoan of the Year
Those things include committing himself to the youth of this city. That means doing his part to curb violence (for the past two years, he has run, with his father and younger brother, a social media campaign, #SaveChicago, to encourage the city to go shooting-free over the typically murderous Memorial Day weekend), inspire up-and-coming talent (he founded and hosts an open-mike show in collaboration with the Harold Washington Library Center), provide some diversions (he helped mount a free teens-oriented music festival in June on Northerly Island that drew 3,300), and expose kids to the city’s cultural offerings (in July, he surprised Chicago Park District day campers by serving as their tour guide on field trips to the Adler Planetarium, Field Museum, and Shedd Aquarium).
In fact, after this interview, he’s headed to the Field to continue a conversation with the staff about making the museum’s Africa exhibit more relevant to black kids in Chicago. “It’s a little too all-encompassing for a whole continent,” he explains. Call him Chance the Curator.
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That's not bad for a young kid who's not even 25 yet. He's done more for his city than a lot of these guys who've made way more money and who have been around a lot longer. And that's why I don't get how the fukk anybody could say he's a fraud, let alone cosign Spike Lee who's clearly speaking out of spite. In fact, after this interview, he’s headed to the Field to continue a conversation with the staff about making the museum’s Africa exhibit more relevant to black kids in Chicago. “It’s a little too all-encompassing for a whole continent,” he explains. Call him Chance the Curator.
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Chance was asked to be in the the movie and he said no. Plenty of local artists/figures turned down Spike's offer to be in this film. He's mad that it's not getting as much love from here that he wanted. And honestly, after watching it and being from around here, the movie was a joke. I've yet to see anybody from here say that the movie was good. It's only people who not from the area, talking about how it's a good movie.
A trash movie is a trash movie
Insensitive
Superstar
Then it's a terrible comparison which doesn't even apply to this conversation.
I never once insinuated that "one man" could stop a cultural or institutional problem.
I did however suggest GOVERNMENT could, which is not run by any ONE individual
but a GROUP of them.
Now we get to the crux of your argument, that's fine if you don't like the title.
I think it's a little cheesy as well, however I haven't seen the film and judging by Spike lee's
track record. He doesn't come off as a exploitative and after money grabs, if anything
he's been critical of people who feels make low brow films.
http://www.npr.org/sections/tellmem...-vs-spike-lee-a-debate-over-class-and-c00nery
The thing is Chiraq from what I've heard (again, I've yet to see it...) doesn't appear to be in the vein of
films like "Meet the blacks" or "50 shades of black" or any number of Black comedies which focus
on and exploit certain ideas of "blackness" to gain a dollar.
And if that was his goal to exploit "blackness" to make a dollar, he's did a terrible job.
**I'm not saying you agree with Chance here, I'm just saying that the arguments are relatively close
so I'm killing two birds with one stone.
Insensitive
Superstar
I have no problem admitting that I'm ignorant to "Chance the rapper" and the extent to which his activism goes.
YOU asked why posters were calling him a fraud and I posited why they might be doing so.
However this go around, you're actually contributing instead of throwing an insult.
I never once implied his father was engaging in corruption of any sort.
I do however remember saying this :
I did answer it, it just wasn't satisfactory TO YOU.
From what I gather it's a comedy based around a greek tragedy, I don't think it was intended to be
a genuine depiction of Chicago. So these complaints about it "not being like chicago" just don't seem to work.
If he made a movie called "Bompton" or "9th ward" or "Queens" or "The Bay" or any other number of
cities/towns but kept the general premise of "Greek tragedy in a contemporary setting with Black actors", I'd
keep the same opinion.
I also still stand behind this :
Which seems to be the crux of peoples complaints which is totally fine, I just don't buy this
idea that Spike lee is doing harm or has ill intentions because of his chosen title.
**I still haven't seen the film yet so I could be wrong and it could've been done in really poor taste.
Are you saying that a few people in the governments office could dead the problems that have been around for 70 years that people including great men like Obama have been trying to stop? Really? At the end of the day the local government that you are talking about is 1 person plus his staff and the Chicago area is the same size as a medium European nation.
Insensitive
Superstar
I'm pretty sure local government institution's employee wise total more than one person and a
handful of staff. Especially in a sizable city like Chicago.
And yes, I personally believe that government when combined with community outreach can make a lasting and strong effect.
They'd have several issues to fix but I think it's possible.
Indiglow Meta (R$G)
Ultra.
@Insensitive Chicago had a handgun ban for years just like DC...IT DOES NOT WORK.
Local gov't won't make a difference in a city that has been the way it is for damn near 100 years.
Local gov't won't make a difference in a city that has been the way it is for damn near 100 years.
Insensitive
Superstar
oh I was thinking of a considerably more involved and complex than plan
than simply "Gun ban".
Because you ban a gun in one city and you've got a dozen other cities someone can go get
a gun. It's like "banning drugs" o "banning prostitution", a simple and ineffective plan that can be
pretty easily skirted especially with the internet.
B!tchuoffendingme
Superstar
Spike is old and grumpy but if he says Chance is a fraud, Ima hear him out, just off the strength of the work Spike's put it.
