Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse [June 2nd 2023]

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O.Red said:
Earlier in this thread when the movie came out I asked if Miles was on some Finn shyt in this, because I wasn't about to watch 2 hours of Miles running behind a white bytch and being a lackey in his own movie

I wasn't disappointed:wow:

Miles is clearly in love with Gwen, but not at the cost of everything he needs to accomplish. His mama even told him not to lose himself for no white bytch:wow:

And how does he display this? When he finds out the truth of his situation and how Gwen left him in the dark he said ":hhh:fukk you bytch" my nikka Miles:wow:

Miles was a direct counter to the weak, passive, indecisive, agency lacking black men that are a regular in movies and tv. He has doubts and insecurities because he's human, but he also has confidence that comes with being good at what you do. He has enough agency to reject being pulled in multiple directions against what he felt was the right thing to do. This is what heroes and hero tales are made of:wow:

Now there is a dichotomy, and Miles' decision could be interpreted as selfish and adjacent to villainy, because villians are typically selfish, but Miles himself doesn't see it that way because he believes a life is worth saving. That's some good ass writing right there:wow:
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He believes he can do both, break the algorithm and save his father, like the Indian Spider-Man but save his world too. Hobie also believes the algorithm is bs hence why he helped Miles as well.



And yess I was blown away from his character, he’s the hero and black male representation that’s needed. If Disney did Miles, he would’ve definitely be on some Finn shyt and Gwen paying him dust.
 
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Benjamin Sisko said:
He believes he can do both, break the algorithm and save his father, like the Indian Spider-Man but save his world too. Hobie also believes the algorithm is bs hence why he helped Miles as well.



And yess I was blown away from his character, he’s the hero and black male representation that’s needed. If Disney did Miles, he would’ve definitely be on some Finn shyt and Gwen paying him dust.
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I interpreted Hobie and the other black spider girl helping him as a nod to black solidarity too. Hobie was cosigning everything Miles did and said because fukk y'all that's why:pachaha:
 
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O.Red said:
Earlier in this thread when the movie came out I asked if Miles was on some Finn shyt in this, because I wasn't about to watch 2 hours of Miles running behind a white bytch and being a lackey in his own movie

I wasn't disappointed:wow:

Miles is clearly in love with Gwen, but not at the cost of everything he needs to accomplish. His mama even told him not to lose himself for no white bytch:wow:

And how does he display this? When he finds out the truth of his situation and how Gwen left him in the dark he said ":hhh:fukk you bytch" my nikka Miles:wow:

Miles was a direct counter to the weak, passive, indecisive, agency lacking black men that are a regular in movies and tv. He has doubts and insecurities because he's human, but he also has confidence that comes with being good at what you do. He has enough agency to reject being pulled in multiple directions against what he felt was the right thing to do. This is what heroes and hero tales are made of:wow:

Now there is a dichotomy, and Miles' decision could be interpreted as selfish and adjacent to villainy, because villians are typically selfish, but Miles himself doesn't see it that way because he believes a life is worth saving. That's some good ass writing right there:wow:
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Another interesting element of this movie is not only Miles' relationship with his parents, but him having parents in the first place:mjlol:

It's a common trope for young heroes or protagonists to have dead parents, or typical YA I hate my dad bullshyt. Miles has a relationship with his parents that shapes the story. They have issues with each other, but it's from a realistic place. I understand why dead parents are a common trope in storytelling because it provides a lot of narrative routes to push a story, but seeing the way these writers give Miles real motivation without needing to kill off his parents is :wow:

Another common trope is these obnoxiously written petulant teenage characters. This could've easily been Miles but the writers went the extra mile in making his issues understandable. Miles is annoyed and has his disagreements with his parents, but he's not this insufferable a$$hole that you want to strangle like most teenage characters are (lazily) written. I could say the same for Gwen in this regard too
 
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O.Red said:
I interpreted Hobie and the other black spider girl helping him as a nod to black solidarity too. Hobie was cosigning everything Miles did and said because fukk y'all that's why:pachaha:
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I also think they thought Miguel was on some bs. They think there has to be another way and Miles was the only one who confronted Miguel about it
 
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O.Red said:
Another interesting element of this movie is not only Miles' relationship with his parents, but him having parents in the first place:mjlol:

It's a common trope for young heroes or protagonists to have dead parents, or typical YA I hate my dad bullshyt. Miles has a relationship with his parents that shapes the story. They have issues with each other, but it's from a realistic place. I understand why dead parents are a common trope in storytelling because it provides a lot of narrative routes to push a story, but seeing the way these writers give Miles real motivation without needing to kill off his parents is :wow:

Another common trope is these obnoxiously written petulant teenage characters. This could've easily been Miles but the writers went the extra mile in making his issues understandable. Miles is annoyed and has his disagreements with his parents, but he's not this insufferable a$$hole that you want to strangle like most teenage characters are (lazily) written. I could say the same for Gwen in this regard too
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That’s an interesting angle regarding the parents but I think nowadays the industry is moving away from the dead-parents trope unless it defines the character, a classic character like Batman or Spider-Man (Peter).

Miles is portrayed as very relatable, still a kid but not insufferable like that skateboard kid from Black Adam. He doesn’t know everything and he’s not a Mary Sue (or the male equivalent). He’s very 2020, a cool kid, introvert with fears but not completely insufferable who you want to punch in the face or root for the villain.
 
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Benjamin Sisko said:
I also think they thought Miguel was on some bs. They think there has to be another way and Miles was the only one who confronted Miguel about it
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Pretty much, and that's very typical of black males on the job to be the one to say :dahell: nah breh wtf is this?" while everyone else is quiet or going along to get along

Which is why black men tend to rock the boat and get fired:russ:
 
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