South Korea declares Nation-wide Martial Law

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Eh.


It pays to have more than half of your male populace to have mandatory military service.
If the people fight back enough and the military starts to splitter by supporting the people instead of the president, then that would change the situation. But just saying that because lawmakers passed something means nothing unless other institutions respect their power in the whole process. So far that is not happening. Laws are just paper without an enforcement mechanism.
 

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Culture is a veneer. Humans below that are essentially the same and therefore, their systems and governmentzand the weakness of them are pretty much equal across the board.
I disagree.​
So, again how is America any different in vulnerabilities than South Korea?
American culture is distinctly different in that it has viewed the government with suspicion since it's inception in the 17th Century. South Korea's government is 70 years old and, culturally, relies on mixing 'tradition' with Democracy in a way that their Government isn't viewed in the same manner.​
 

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Um, all this means is lawmakers passed something to overturn it. But the military is currently backing the president. They have guns while lawmakers have paper. This is not an end until the president or military agree to follow the "checks and balances" of parliament.
They are ONLY guarding the immediate vicinity of the Assembly and Martial Law isn't being enforced throughout the entire country.​
 

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See Jan 6, 2021.​
When certain Congressmen and Executive officials facilitated an invasion of our Capital, to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. How did the system check itself, outside of this being a half-assed attempt to overthrow our government.


And the Patriot ACT & post 9/11 government surveillance? The Patriot Act expanded government surveillance powers, often bypassing judicial oversight and infringing on privacy rights. Critics argue that Congress and the judiciary allowed executive overreach in the name of national security.


Or the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Congress authorized military action based on flawed or manipulated intelligence presented by the executive branch. And when it didn't authorize military action, the Executive moved anyway and called an executive order or a defensive response.

The executive pulled the sams shyt in the lead up to the Vietnam.

The system even failed when Jackson publicly ignored the SCOTUS ruling that would have prevent the Trail of Tears.

The Checks and Balances of this country is a joke meant to keep the status quo, quoing...not keep our noses clean. And this maga SCOTUS has made it clear how it feels about the power of the Executive Office. There's nothing legally stopping Trump from acting a fool, especially when he owns the fukkers make and decide the laws.
 

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I disagree.

American culture is distinctly different in that it has viewed the government with suspicion since it's inception in the 17th Century. South Korea's government is 70 years old and, culturally, relies on mixing 'tradition' with Democracy in a way that their Government isn't viewed in the same manner.​
I mean, this ignores that you now have a sizeable population who believe that as long as the government is far right, democracy isn't all that important anymore. They will be OK with a monarch, as long as it's their monarch.

This is a recent development in the past 10 years. All led by a man who vows to disarm or destroy institutions that allow our system to function such as a free press (they have talked about locking up and prosecuting "enemy of the people" media) and free speech without fear of reprisal by the government (i.e. Threatening to remove government workers who fail a "loyalty test"). This is all being cheered on and encouraged by a huge part of the population.

Coincidently, these same people have a ton of guns while the possible opponents of this treat guns as dirty at worst.
 

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They are ONLY guarding the immediate vicinity of the Assembly and Martial Law isn't being enforced throughout the entire country.​
Eh everything I'm seeing right now is that the military are all in with the president.

In his speech announcing martial law he said he plans to eradicate the "communist enemies" which he describes the opposition party as, who have hijacked parliament according to him. He seems to think the opposition are some North Korean sympathizing fifth columnists or something. There is a translation of the speech reddit I saw I have to find. So the plan seems to be that the first order of business is to arrest his opposition in parliament. Once the opposition is gone, if he is successful, then the coup is complete. You don't need the whole country on lock down for that yet. Just the building where the lawmakers reside until you complete that task.

Still ongoing so who knows what will happen. But the military instead of arresting or defying the president seem to be going along from what I've seen. They have explicitly said they back the president and given the conservative nature of the military, globally, especially when they think they are fighting communist subversives, I wouldn't be surprised if they were somewhat encouraging the president in this matter to begin with.

Also folks keep talking about parliament passing something. Doesn't mean anything yet unless the military and police agree to respect the power of parliament. Military still seems to be pro the president at this point.
 

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Transcript of the president speech declaring martial law.


Interesting excerpt that he is playing to the "enemy within" rhetoric to justify this. Sound familiar.

Our National Assembly has now become a den of criminals, paralyzed the country’s judicial and administrative systems through legislative dictatorship and attempted to overthrow the liberal democratic system.

The National Assembly, which should serve as the foundation of liberal democracy, has become a monster that destroys the liberal democratic system. The Republic of Korea is now in a precarious state, to the extent that it would not be surprising if it were to collapse at any moment.

Through this state of emergency martial law, I will rebuild and protect the free Republic of Korea, which is falling into the abyss of national ruin.

To this end, I will definitely eradicate the root causes of national ruin and the anti-state forces that have persistently engaged in malicious conduct.

This is an unavoidable measure to guarantee the freedom and safety of the people, as well as the sustainability of the nation against the agitation of anti-state forces seeking to overthrow the system, and to pass down a proper country to future generations.

I will eradicate the anti-state forces and normalize the nation in the shortest possible time.
 
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