Sopranos was fukkin hilarious man

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they showed Tony jumping back and forth between having guilt over his racism and homophobia not just his world views in his therapy sessions at times or that episode when he met this black man's father he was working with after his panic attack. We learned Tony was born into thinking and being that way because of his upbringing and maybe deep down somewhere he might not be that way. Which made his character complicated even tho he was a monster 90% of the time. Saying the writers were just racist is facetious at best.


Please with this fake deep shiit, they had anti Black shiit in there when it clearly served no purpose at all to anything.

Look at the scene right here, why did she have to use the n word here?

 

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Please with this fake deep shiit, they had anti Black shiit in there when it clearly served no purpose at all to anything.

Look at the scene right here, why did she have to use the n word here?

There's nothing fake deep about it. just because you or i dont like the shyt dont mean the meaning isn't there. its whole videos showing how they treat and view black people on this show from every season..90% is poorly... its a tv show about mobsters and the writers didn't want to over sensationalize them. so they make them monsters and deplorable and tony is our point of contact to show us shyt aint black and white.

And his racism and nature came from his culture of fear and distrust placed on him by his psycho mother and father hence why he is who he is and why he wants the cycle to end with his son and daughter except he failed.. that's the point. showing stand alone scenes with them saying the n word doesn't change the context from the show. its the fukking underworld and mobsters are racist. the show makes no race/sex look good. case in point? Every woman who got killed was crawling away for their lives... is the show sexist now? we start picking apart shyt like that it takes away from what we watching as a whole
 
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There's nothing fake deep about it. just because you or i dont like the shyt dont mean the meaning isn't there. its whole videos showing how they treat and view black people on this show from every season..90% is poorly... its a tv show about mobsters and the writers didn't want to over sensationalize them. so they make them monsters and deplorable and tony is our point of contact to show us shyt aint black and white.

And his racism and nature came from his culture of fear and distrust placed on him by his psycho mother and father hence why he is who he is and why he wants the cycle to end with his son and daughter except he failed.. that's the point. showing stand alone scenes with them saying the n word doesn't change the context from the show. its the fukking underworld and mobsters are racist. the show makes no race/sex look good. case in point? Every woman who got killed was crawling away for their lives... is the show sexist now? we start picking apart shyt like that it takes away from what we watching as a whole
Chase actually goes out of his way in the last season to show that in a way Tony is actually disgusted, embarrassed and ashamed of being Italian. The key scene is the drive home from the casino in S6 after dealing with Red Clay, where Tony calls Silvio a hypocrite because he decided to gamble instead of organizing against the Native American demonstration on Columbus Day. Tony even goes as far as to say that italian pride is based on historical events that happened so long ago that they mind as well be myths.

In the end the show exposed Tony's hatred for his ethnicity, his family and himself. He was a shytty leader that got everyone killed because he couldn't set aside his ego and pride. All of his hard work to raise up his family's status is in vain, as he had a gold digger of a wife who doesnt even respect or understand the nuance to what he does (tries to strike out on her own with business deals and fails, doesnt listen to Tony about gambling the money on the chargers game), a daughter who subconsciously despises him and her upbringing and actually becomes a lawyer to represent the type of people Tony fukked over, and a dipshyt son whose existential crisis leads him to destroying the very vehicle his father bought him in an attempt to separate himself from the materialism and lack of meaning in all that came with his privledged upbringing, only to have his father buy him a beamer as a replacement.

It's sad the way Tony goes out. He brings on his own demise and gets everyone killed, sans his kids and wife, all because he couldn't escape the trauma from his childhood, nor his hatred for everything he claimed he loved.
 

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Chase actually goes out of his way in the last season to show that in a way Tony is actually disgusted, embarrassed and ashamed of being Italian. The key scene is the drive home from the casino in S6 after dealing with Red Clay, where Tony calls Silvio a hypocrite because he decided to gamble instead of organizing against the Native American demonstration on Columbus Day. Tony even goes as far as to say that italian pride is based on historical events that happened so long ago that they mind as well be myths.

In the end the show exposed Tony's hatred for his ethnicity, his family and himself. He was a shytty leader that got everyone killed because he couldn't set aside his ego and pride. All of his hard work to raise up his family's status is in vain, as he had a gold digger of a wife who doesnt even respect or understand the nuance to what he does (tries to strike out on her own with business deals and fails, doesnt listen to Tony about gambling the money on the chargers game), a daughter who subconsciously despises him and her upbringing and actually becomes a lawyer to represent the type of people Tony fukked over, and a dipshyt son whose existential crisis leads him to destroying the very vehicle his father bought him in an attempt to separate himself from the materialism and lack of meaning in all that came with his privledged upbringing, only to have his father buy him a beamer as a replacement.

It's sad the way Tony goes out. He brings on his own demise and gets everyone killed, sans his kids and wife, all because he couldn't escape the trauma from his childhood, nor his hatred for everything he claimed he loved.

I think Chase definetly had some disdain for the romantisation of Italian American familism. Given his childhood its understandable.
 

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I think Chase definetly had some disdain for the romantisation of Italian American familism. Given his childhood its understandable.
All you have to do is look at the episode in the 2nd season of the Sopranos when they go back to Italy, and the native Italians there shyt on them for being Americans. They imagined they were going to meet some God father type mob boss, only to meet some senile, disabled, decrepit old man whose daughter, not son, ran the family. Tony and Paulie were miserable and disillusioned by the end of that trip.
 
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