LOL Ukraine doesn't stand a chance. They are not part of nato so they have no western allies. Putin is just deciding when to bring the thunder to those Ukrainians. On a brighter note Bree olsen is Ukrainian. Hopefully girls that look like her aren't violently anally raped during the slaughter.
Sooo....no talk on Kiev's gradual descent into Mad Max beyond Thunderdome status??
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U.S. ground troops going to Poland, defense minister says
- BY FRED HIATT
- April 18 at 3:53 pm
Polish Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak, right, at the Pentagon on Thursday. (Photo: EPA/Michael Reynolds)
Poland and the United States will announce next week the deployment of U.S. ground forces to Poland as part of an expansion of NATO presence in Central and Eastern Europe in response to events in Ukraine. That was the word from Poland’s defense minister, Tomasz Siemoniak, who visited The Post Friday after meeting with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel at the Pentagon on Thursday.
Siemoniak said the decision has been made on a political level and that military planners are working out details. There will also be intensified cooperation in air defense, special forces, cyberdefense and other areas. Poland will play a leading regional role, “under U.S. patronage,” he said.
But the defense minister also said that any immediate NATO response to Russian aggression in Ukraine, while important, matter less than a long-term shift in the defense postures of Europe and America. The United States, having announced a “pivot” to Asia, needs to “re-pivot” to Europe, he said, and European countries that have cut back on defense spending need to reverse the trends.
“The idea until recently was that there were no more threats in Europe and no need for a U.S. presence in Europe any more,” Siemoniak said, speaking through an interpreter. “Events show that what is needed is a re-pivot, and that Europe was safe and secure because America was in Europe.”
How likely is such a reversal on defense spending? Siemoniak said there was widespread support at a recent meeting of European defense ministers. “Now they’ll go back to their presidents, prime ministers and ministers of finance, and this will stop being easy,” he admitted. “But the impetus is very strong.”
The strongest impetus, he said, is not even Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea, but President Vladimir Putin’s bald lies about Russian actions there and his exposition of anew doctrine allowing Russia to intervene in any country where Russian-speaking populations are, in Russia’s judgment, under threat. This poses a potential danger to the Baltic nations, which are members of NATO, and even more to Moldova, Belarus and central Asian nations that are not, he said.
Like President Obama, Siemoniak said it’s too soon to judge the agreement reached Thursday in Geneva to defuse tensions. He said he believes that Russia’s “special operation in eastern Ukraine didn’t go as planned” and that Putin may have decided to play a longer game.
“He holds different instruments that he can use to influence events in Ukraine,” Siemoniak said. Putin will keep in reserve the option of an outright military incursion, “but the political, military and financial costs would be gigantic.” The 46-year-old minister mused that until recently NATO was wondering what mission it would have, if any, once its troops came home from Afghanistan.
“Now we have an answer to that question,” he said.
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U.S. ground troops going to Poland, defense minister says
- BY FRED HIATT
- April 18 at 3:53 pm
Polish Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak, right, at the Pentagon on Thursday. (Photo: EPA/Michael Reynolds)
Poland and the United States will announce next week the deployment of U.S. ground forces to Poland as part of an expansion of NATO presence in Central and Eastern Europe in response to events in Ukraine. That was the word from Poland’s defense minister, Tomasz Siemoniak, who visited The Post Friday after meeting with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel at the Pentagon on Thursday.
Siemoniak said the decision has been made on a political level and that military planners are working out details. There will also be intensified cooperation in air defense, special forces, cyberdefense and other areas. Poland will play a leading regional role, “under U.S. patronage,” he said.
But the defense minister also said that any immediate NATO response to Russian aggression in Ukraine, while important, matter less than a long-term shift in the defense postures of Europe and America. The United States, having announced a “pivot” to Asia, needs to “re-pivot” to Europe, he said, and European countries that have cut back on defense spending need to reverse the trends.
“The idea until recently was that there were no more threats in Europe and no need for a U.S. presence in Europe any more,” Siemoniak said, speaking through an interpreter. “Events show that what is needed is a re-pivot, and that Europe was safe and secure because America was in Europe.”
How likely is such a reversal on defense spending? Siemoniak said there was widespread support at a recent meeting of European defense ministers. “Now they’ll go back to their presidents, prime ministers and ministers of finance, and this will stop being easy,” he admitted. “But the impetus is very strong.”
The strongest impetus, he said, is not even Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea, but President Vladimir Putin’s bald lies about Russian actions there and his exposition of anew doctrine allowing Russia to intervene in any country where Russian-speaking populations are, in Russia’s judgment, under threat. This poses a potential danger to the Baltic nations, which are members of NATO, and even more to Moldova, Belarus and central Asian nations that are not, he said.
Like President Obama, Siemoniak said it’s too soon to judge the agreement reached Thursday in Geneva to defuse tensions. He said he believes that Russia’s “special operation in eastern Ukraine didn’t go as planned” and that Putin may have decided to play a longer game.
“He holds different instruments that he can use to influence events in Ukraine,” Siemoniak said. Putin will keep in reserve the option of an outright military incursion, “but the political, military and financial costs would be gigantic.” The 46-year-old minister mused that until recently NATO was wondering what mission it would have, if any, once its troops came home from Afghanistan.
“Now we have an answer to that question,” he said.
everything flows so seemlessly
These are some sorry ass soldiers. They straight gave up 
Trajan
Veteran
Stop fukking around in Russia's backyard.
They're dead serious about their sphere of influence.
They're dead serious about their sphere of influence.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
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Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Photos Link Masked Men in East Ukraine to Russia
By ANDREW HIGGINS, MICHAEL R. GORDON and ANDREW E. KRAMERAPRIL 20, 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/21/w...mst=1388552400000&bicmet=1420088400000&_&_r=0
By ANDREW HIGGINS, MICHAEL R. GORDON and ANDREW E. KRAMERAPRIL 20, 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/21/w...mst=1388552400000&bicmet=1420088400000&_&_r=0
Trajan
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that was then, Obama wanted to play nice guy. Right now the program is being resumed, and Ruskies gonna foam in the mouth about it
but can't do shyt with it. All they got from this hassle is Crimea which was the lowest hanging fruit.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
and? that was a mistake to stop it, russia needs to be contained
Digga38
The seperation between what's fake and what's real
that was then, Obama wanted to play nice guy. Right now the program is being resumed, and Ruskies gonna foam in the mouth about it
but can't do shyt with it. All they got from this hassle is Crimea which was the lowest hanging fruit.[/QUOTE]
russia needs to be contained?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
russia needs to be contained?
yeah, what do you think this whole thing is about?
Trajan
Veteran
You think America aborted that because Obama wanted to be ''nice'' ?
And here's me thinking foreign policy was about national interest
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