Sooo....no talk on Kiev's gradual descent into Mad Max beyond Thunderdome status??
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they're being baited by Russia.What took the Ukrainians so long to start fighting back tho
If Putin taks Kiev, i'll have no choice but to take my hat off to dude.
they're being baited by Russia.
If Putin taks Kiev, i'll have no choice but to take my hat off to dude.
That'd be remarkable if he actually re-installed pro Russian people in the government and presidency.
Defense Ministry confirms pro-Russian separatists have captured six Ukrainian armored vehicles, NATO increases military presence on eastern border amidst confusion in eastern Ukraine (LIVE UPDATES)
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April 16, 2014, 4:35 p.m. | Ukraine — by Kyiv Post
Armed men wearing military fatigues gather around Armoured Personnel Carriers (APC) as they stand guard outside the regional state building seized by pro-Russian separatists in the eastern Ukrainian city of Slavyansk on April 16, 2014.
© Kostyantyn Chernichkin
Editor's Note: On April 15, Ukraine's military began an anti-terrorist operation against Kremlin-backed insurgents who have taken over numerous government buildings and police headquarters in several cities of Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine's most populous region where 10 percent of the nation's 45 million people live. The Kyiv Post has journalists in Donetsk Oblast and will be updating as events happen.
Defense Ministry confirms pro-Russian separatists have captured Ukrainian armored vehicles
4:28 p.m. -- The Ukrainian Defense Ministry has confirmed that "Russian saboteurs" have captured six Ukrainian armed vehicles in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk.
The ministry says that local residents of Kramatorsk blocked the armored vehicles on the morning of April 16. "As a result of the blocking, extremists seized the vehicles and the column [of armored vehicles] headed towards Sloviansk," said the Defense Ministry's statement.
The vehicles are currently in Sloviansk. The ministry says that the men controlling them are "not related to the Armed Forces of Ukraine."
Whether Ukrainian troops initially driving the armored vehicles switched sides and joined the pro-Russian separatists remains unclear. -- Isaac Webb
Rasmussen: NATO will increase its military presence on eastern border
2:52 p.m. -- NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen announced on April 16 that NATO will bolster its military presence along its eastern border in response to the destabilization of Russian-backed separatist movements in eastern Ukraine.
Rasmussen said in a statement that NATO would begin strengthening its eastern border immediately with "more planes in the air, more ships in the water, more readiness on the land."
He said that "air policing aircraft will fly more sorties over the Baltic region. Allied ships will deploy to the Baltic Sea, the Eastern Mediterranean and elsewhere, as required. Military staff from Allied nations will deploy to enhance our preparedness, training and exercises. Our defence plans will be reviewed and reinforced."
Further, Rasmussen said that NATO would enhance air patrols along its eastern border in Poland, Romania, and in the Baltic States.
"We will start to implement these measures straight away. More will follow, if needed, in the weeks and months to come. Our decisions today are about defence, deterrence and de-escalation. They are entirely in line with our international commitments, said Rasmussen."
Thus far, NATO has said that it will not send troops to eastern Ukraine to help the Ukrainian military counter Russian-backed separatist movements. -- Isaac Webb
Razumkov Center: Government not showing proper level of professionalism in dealing with Russian-backed saboteurs
2 p.m. – After Kremlin-backed insurgents ignored an amnesty was to give up their arms in eastern Ukraine, an anti-terrorist operation has started there.
“We’ve more than once heard the names and surnames and the locations of where the (Russian-backed) diversionary radical groups are,” said Mykola Sunhurovsky, director of military programs at the Razumkov Center. “Well, if they are known then take measures. Why are you (government) letting them conduct subversive activity and rile up crowds? The situation is very complicated, it requires a high level of professionalism on the part of government, which we haven’t observed yet.” – Mark Rachkevych
As Ukraine's anti-terrorist operation against pro-Russian insurgents in Donetsk Oblast enters its second day, reports of Ukrainian troops switching sides have emerged from the city of Kramatorsk. (AFP)
Unidentified persons block train route between Kramatorsk and Druzhkivka
Donetsk Railways has announced that unidentified persons have illegally blocked train tracks between Kramatorsk and Druzhivka, forcing passenger and suburban trains to take an alternate route, according to Interfax Ukraine.
Donetsk Railways' press service said that 13 passenger trains and 14 suburban trains travel the route between Kramatorsk and Druzhivka every day.
The regular service between Kramatorsk and Druzhivka has since been restored -- Isaac Webb
Yatseniuk: Russia now exporting terrorism
12:48 p.m. – Prime Minister Arseniy Yatseniuk said at a briefing today that in addition to oil and gas, “Russia has now begun exporting terrorism,” in reference to a separatist movement in eastern Ukraine that is backed by the Kremlin with suspected Russian soldiers on the ground.
Russia has denied any involvement in the unrest and civil strife in Ukraine’s eastern regions.
“Only one country in the world – Russia – doesn't see the Russian diversion groups carrying out terrorist acts in our country,” said Yatseniuk. – Mark Rachkevych
Armed pro-Russian men seize Donetsk City Council building
12:24 p.m. – In addition to the Donetsk Oblast Administration and regional police headquarters, the Donetsk City Council is now under the control of Kremlin-backed insurgents, reports Novosti Donbass, a local media outlet. The building was taken over immediately after observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe finished a meeting with local authorities there. Initially five armed men entered the building, followed by more soon thereafter.
Members of the pro-Russian organization Oplot told local reporters outside the building that they want to hold a referendum to secede from Ukraine.
They are letting people evacuate the building. – Mark Rachkevych
Defense Ministry promises plans to "respond toughly" to abduction of Ukrainian soldiers
The Ukrainian Defense ministry is promising a tough response to separatists who abducted two Ukrainian soldiers in eastern Ukraine, reports Interfax Ukraine.
The soldiers, an officer and a contract solder, were kidnapped while stopping on the side of the road in the city of Krasny Luch in Luhansk Oblast.
The Defense Ministry's press service released a statement saying that the "leadership of the national defense agency is planning to respond toughly to such actions against servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who swore allegiance to the Ukrainian people and are faithfully performing their designated tasks."
"These activities are carried out in close cooperation with the respective structural units of other law enforcement agencies of Ukraine, which are involved in carrying out anti-terrorist operations," said the ministry's statement. -- Isaac Webb
SBU releases more Russian military chatter in Slovyansk (video with English translation)
11:44 a.m. – Ukraine’s Security Service released another video showing high-level chatter between Russian military intelligence subversion members in Slovyansk (Donetsk Oblast) that took place on April 14.
Lasting more than a minute, it is split into two parts.
The first part is between the Russian commander in Slovyansk, code-named, “Strelok” (shooter) and another diversion group member code-named “Prapor” (flag). They discuss blocking Ukrainian military and police units in the area.
The other part is a discussion between a Russian military intelligence subversion group member and the wife of the self-proclaimed governor of Donetsk Oblast. She asks Strelok to send over a group to take over the Donetsk regional police headquarters.
“Strelok,” commander of Russian military intelligence diversion group in Slovyansk:
“Yes, I’m listening.”
“Prapor,” member of Russian military intelligence diversion group:
“I report as follows: This is a part of those who came from Crimea. They don’t want to surrender. Right now they are trying to persuade them, a man came from Volodarsk (town in Luhansk Oblast) who is former military. But they will not surrender, they don’t want to. I don’t know how he’ll convince them (to surrender).”
Strelok: “Do they have many weapons?
Prapor: Only what they have – 25.
Strelok: Well then make them get on the ground under the threat of…Has Romashka arrived? No?
Prapor: No, when will he arrive?
Strelok: Wait for Romashka. After that block them and under lethal fire, (cursing), there’s no sense to ceremoniously (waste time with them).
Prapor: I blocked the road. Here I have one, two, three…I have five shooters with automatic weapons, but I don’t know these people. They are with Slavik.
Strelok: Right now Romashka will drive over to you. Surround the whole place and block it. And don’t beat around the bush – destroy everything! We are not in Crimea, damn it. Explain to them that we are not in Crimea.
Prapor: Understood.
Strelok: Now call you know
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April 16, 2014, 4:35 p.m. | Ukraine — by Kyiv Post
Armed men wearing military fatigues gather around Armoured Personnel Carriers (APC) as they stand guard outside the regional state building seized by pro-Russian separatists in the eastern Ukrainian city of Slavyansk on April 16, 2014.
© Kostyantyn Chernichkin
Editor's Note: On April 15, Ukraine's military began an anti-terrorist operation against Kremlin-backed insurgents who have taken over numerous government buildings and police headquarters in several cities of Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine's most populous region where 10 percent of the nation's 45 million people live. The Kyiv Post has journalists in Donetsk Oblast and will be updating as events happen.
Defense Ministry confirms pro-Russian separatists have captured Ukrainian armored vehicles
4:28 p.m. -- The Ukrainian Defense Ministry has confirmed that "Russian saboteurs" have captured six Ukrainian armed vehicles in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk.
The ministry says that local residents of Kramatorsk blocked the armored vehicles on the morning of April 16. "As a result of the blocking, extremists seized the vehicles and the column [of armored vehicles] headed towards Sloviansk," said the Defense Ministry's statement.
The vehicles are currently in Sloviansk. The ministry says that the men controlling them are "not related to the Armed Forces of Ukraine."
Whether Ukrainian troops initially driving the armored vehicles switched sides and joined the pro-Russian separatists remains unclear. -- Isaac Webb
Rasmussen: NATO will increase its military presence on eastern border
2:52 p.m. -- NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen announced on April 16 that NATO will bolster its military presence along its eastern border in response to the destabilization of Russian-backed separatist movements in eastern Ukraine.
Rasmussen said in a statement that NATO would begin strengthening its eastern border immediately with "more planes in the air, more ships in the water, more readiness on the land."
He said that "air policing aircraft will fly more sorties over the Baltic region. Allied ships will deploy to the Baltic Sea, the Eastern Mediterranean and elsewhere, as required. Military staff from Allied nations will deploy to enhance our preparedness, training and exercises. Our defence plans will be reviewed and reinforced."
Further, Rasmussen said that NATO would enhance air patrols along its eastern border in Poland, Romania, and in the Baltic States.
"We will start to implement these measures straight away. More will follow, if needed, in the weeks and months to come. Our decisions today are about defence, deterrence and de-escalation. They are entirely in line with our international commitments, said Rasmussen."
Thus far, NATO has said that it will not send troops to eastern Ukraine to help the Ukrainian military counter Russian-backed separatist movements. -- Isaac Webb
Razumkov Center: Government not showing proper level of professionalism in dealing with Russian-backed saboteurs
2 p.m. – After Kremlin-backed insurgents ignored an amnesty was to give up their arms in eastern Ukraine, an anti-terrorist operation has started there.
“We’ve more than once heard the names and surnames and the locations of where the (Russian-backed) diversionary radical groups are,” said Mykola Sunhurovsky, director of military programs at the Razumkov Center. “Well, if they are known then take measures. Why are you (government) letting them conduct subversive activity and rile up crowds? The situation is very complicated, it requires a high level of professionalism on the part of government, which we haven’t observed yet.” – Mark Rachkevych
As Ukraine's anti-terrorist operation against pro-Russian insurgents in Donetsk Oblast enters its second day, reports of Ukrainian troops switching sides have emerged from the city of Kramatorsk. (AFP)
Unidentified persons block train route between Kramatorsk and Druzhkivka
Donetsk Railways has announced that unidentified persons have illegally blocked train tracks between Kramatorsk and Druzhivka, forcing passenger and suburban trains to take an alternate route, according to Interfax Ukraine.
Donetsk Railways' press service said that 13 passenger trains and 14 suburban trains travel the route between Kramatorsk and Druzhivka every day.
The regular service between Kramatorsk and Druzhivka has since been restored -- Isaac Webb
Yatseniuk: Russia now exporting terrorism
12:48 p.m. – Prime Minister Arseniy Yatseniuk said at a briefing today that in addition to oil and gas, “Russia has now begun exporting terrorism,” in reference to a separatist movement in eastern Ukraine that is backed by the Kremlin with suspected Russian soldiers on the ground.
Russia has denied any involvement in the unrest and civil strife in Ukraine’s eastern regions.
“Only one country in the world – Russia – doesn't see the Russian diversion groups carrying out terrorist acts in our country,” said Yatseniuk. – Mark Rachkevych
Armed pro-Russian men seize Donetsk City Council building
12:24 p.m. – In addition to the Donetsk Oblast Administration and regional police headquarters, the Donetsk City Council is now under the control of Kremlin-backed insurgents, reports Novosti Donbass, a local media outlet. The building was taken over immediately after observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe finished a meeting with local authorities there. Initially five armed men entered the building, followed by more soon thereafter.
Members of the pro-Russian organization Oplot told local reporters outside the building that they want to hold a referendum to secede from Ukraine.
They are letting people evacuate the building. – Mark Rachkevych
Defense Ministry promises plans to "respond toughly" to abduction of Ukrainian soldiers
The Ukrainian Defense ministry is promising a tough response to separatists who abducted two Ukrainian soldiers in eastern Ukraine, reports Interfax Ukraine.
The soldiers, an officer and a contract solder, were kidnapped while stopping on the side of the road in the city of Krasny Luch in Luhansk Oblast.
The Defense Ministry's press service released a statement saying that the "leadership of the national defense agency is planning to respond toughly to such actions against servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who swore allegiance to the Ukrainian people and are faithfully performing their designated tasks."
"These activities are carried out in close cooperation with the respective structural units of other law enforcement agencies of Ukraine, which are involved in carrying out anti-terrorist operations," said the ministry's statement. -- Isaac Webb
SBU releases more Russian military chatter in Slovyansk (video with English translation)
11:44 a.m. – Ukraine’s Security Service released another video showing high-level chatter between Russian military intelligence subversion members in Slovyansk (Donetsk Oblast) that took place on April 14.
Lasting more than a minute, it is split into two parts.
The first part is between the Russian commander in Slovyansk, code-named, “Strelok” (shooter) and another diversion group member code-named “Prapor” (flag). They discuss blocking Ukrainian military and police units in the area.
The other part is a discussion between a Russian military intelligence subversion group member and the wife of the self-proclaimed governor of Donetsk Oblast. She asks Strelok to send over a group to take over the Donetsk regional police headquarters.
“Strelok,” commander of Russian military intelligence diversion group in Slovyansk:
“Yes, I’m listening.”
“Prapor,” member of Russian military intelligence diversion group:
“I report as follows: This is a part of those who came from Crimea. They don’t want to surrender. Right now they are trying to persuade them, a man came from Volodarsk (town in Luhansk Oblast) who is former military. But they will not surrender, they don’t want to. I don’t know how he’ll convince them (to surrender).”
Strelok: “Do they have many weapons?
Prapor: Only what they have – 25.
Strelok: Well then make them get on the ground under the threat of…Has Romashka arrived? No?
Prapor: No, when will he arrive?
Strelok: Wait for Romashka. After that block them and under lethal fire, (cursing), there’s no sense to ceremoniously (waste time with them).
Prapor: I blocked the road. Here I have one, two, three…I have five shooters with automatic weapons, but I don’t know these people. They are with Slavik.
Strelok: Right now Romashka will drive over to you. Surround the whole place and block it. And don’t beat around the bush – destroy everything! We are not in Crimea, damn it. Explain to them that we are not in Crimea.
Prapor: Understood.
Strelok: Now call you know
Second part – conversation between Russian military intelligence diversion group member in Slovyansk and Ekaterina Gubareva (the wife of the self-proclaimed governor of Donetsk Oblast Pavel Gubarev):
Ekaterina Gubareva: Pash (Pavel), tell Igor (“Strelok”) that while there’s no fighting happening there or if he’s not busy, give orders to take over the Donetsk Oblast Interior Ministry (Donetsk regional police headquarters) and transfer control over it to us.
Pavel (Agat): You mean to take it over?
Ekaterina Gubareva: Yes.
Pavel: Katiusha (Ekaterina), the guys who take over police stations have for the past 15 years only been fighting in wars. That’s a reality. – Mark Rachkevych
Defense Ministry denies that Ukrainian troops switch sides in Kramatorsk, travel
11:36 a.m. -- The Kyiv Post's journalists on the ground are reporting that Ukrainian troops, surrounded by civilians and pro-Russian insurgents in Kramatorsk, began flying a Russian flag after speaking with the self-proclaimed mayor of Sloviansk.
After defecting, the troops traveled in armored personnel carriers together with Kremlin-backed soldiers with no military insignia to Sloviansk, which is 15 kilometers north of Kramatorsk. A video shows a tank also in the city of Kramatorsk together with the APCs.
The Defense Ministry has denied that its armored personnel carriers were taken over by pro-Russians.
The Ukrainian soldiers, flying the Russian flag, arrived in Sloviansk and immediately entered the city's police station. What they are doing in the station remains unclear. -- Isaac Webb & Daryna Shevchenko
Insurgents in Kramatorsk drive armored personnel carriers, fly Russian flag
Journalists on the ground in the city of Kramatorsk in northern Donetsk Oblast are reporting that armored personnel carriers are driving around flying the Russian flag.
Espresso TV video journalists have filmed pro-Russian troops driving in armored vehicles through the streets of Kramatorsk flying the Russian flag.
Alec Luhn of The Guardian tweeted that "pro-Russian unmarked militia now has armored troop carriers & are driving from Kramatorsk to Slaviansk. A definite escalation of tensions."
Raniah Salloum, the foreign affairs editor of Spiegel Online, reports that he "just saw tanks that switched side in #kramatorsk. Now anti Kiev."
Earlier, Interfax Ukraine reported that armored vehicles flying Ukrainian flags had entered the city of Kramatorsk early on the morning of April 16.
However, the Kyiv Post's journalists on the scene reported that residents of Kramatorsk surrounded Ukrainian troops in armored personnel vehicles and prevented them from entering the city. -- Isaac Webb
Ekaterina Gubareva: Pash (Pavel), tell Igor (“Strelok”) that while there’s no fighting happening there or if he’s not busy, give orders to take over the Donetsk Oblast Interior Ministry (Donetsk regional police headquarters) and transfer control over it to us.
Pavel (Agat): You mean to take it over?
Ekaterina Gubareva: Yes.
Pavel: Katiusha (Ekaterina), the guys who take over police stations have for the past 15 years only been fighting in wars. That’s a reality. – Mark Rachkevych
Defense Ministry denies that Ukrainian troops switch sides in Kramatorsk, travel
11:36 a.m. -- The Kyiv Post's journalists on the ground are reporting that Ukrainian troops, surrounded by civilians and pro-Russian insurgents in Kramatorsk, began flying a Russian flag after speaking with the self-proclaimed mayor of Sloviansk.
After defecting, the troops traveled in armored personnel carriers together with Kremlin-backed soldiers with no military insignia to Sloviansk, which is 15 kilometers north of Kramatorsk. A video shows a tank also in the city of Kramatorsk together with the APCs.
The Defense Ministry has denied that its armored personnel carriers were taken over by pro-Russians.
The Ukrainian soldiers, flying the Russian flag, arrived in Sloviansk and immediately entered the city's police station. What they are doing in the station remains unclear. -- Isaac Webb & Daryna Shevchenko
Insurgents in Kramatorsk drive armored personnel carriers, fly Russian flag
Journalists on the ground in the city of Kramatorsk in northern Donetsk Oblast are reporting that armored personnel carriers are driving around flying the Russian flag.
Espresso TV video journalists have filmed pro-Russian troops driving in armored vehicles through the streets of Kramatorsk flying the Russian flag.
Alec Luhn of The Guardian tweeted that "pro-Russian unmarked militia now has armored troop carriers & are driving from Kramatorsk to Slaviansk. A definite escalation of tensions."
Raniah Salloum, the foreign affairs editor of Spiegel Online, reports that he "just saw tanks that switched side
Earlier, Interfax Ukraine reported that armored vehicles flying Ukrainian flags had entered the city of Kramatorsk early on the morning of April 16.
However, the Kyiv Post's journalists on the scene reported that residents of Kramatorsk surrounded Ukrainian troops in armored personnel vehicles and prevented them from entering the city. -- Isaac Webb
its in the thread bro...I think I even posted it.
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That's why I offered rep I'm not looking thru damn near 200 pages
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watch one of them tracks come flying off
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watch one of them tracks come flying off
the evolution of this thread
watch one of them tracks come flying off
lol, I was thinkin about that earlier while watching a report on the escalation. This has been real interesting to watch. What I find more interesting is when I started this thread Kiev had become a movie set and all types of billy bad asses were goin toe to toe with Ukrainian police. Now you don't see those militants going to the East to flex, maybe they don't necessarily give a fukk about those Russian speakers. If this shyt gets hot for real then this thread will know unbelievable levels of fukkery.
The fact that Russia is about to "liberate" eastern Ukraine is ITSELF about to cause epic levels of fukkery.
Its about to be A LOT of ukranian immigrants in your kids classes
Its finna be a hot summer brehs
The fact that Russia is about to "liberate" eastern Ukraine is ITSELF about to cause epic levels of fukkery.
Its about to be A LOT of ukranian immigrants in your kids classes
Its finna be a hot summer brehs
This upcoming meeting is gonna say a lot about which direction we go. Honestly, I think this may get pushed into civil war at this point cuz both sides seem dead set on holding their ground.