Sonny Cheeba (Camp Lo) Exposes Jay Z And Says Jay Z Used To Mimic And Imitate His Style

[spliz]

It was just a general statement. That wasn't directed at you, my guy.

Cool. I feel like I got attacked in this thread just for giving info. I didn’t care either way but u telling me Sonny been lying def puts a different spin on things for me.

 

[spliz]

I have a black friend ass nikka

We knooooow u like Jay z

Whatever u say fam. Da ya thing. Lol

 

[spliz]

@Awesome Wells respect fam. I always was appreciate when a poster knows his shyt especially when it seems like first hand experience.

Ur a dope poster.

 

[H. Selassie]

Nothing new. For years, anytime I’ve heard Politics as Usual I’ve thought about this. Keen observation by Doggie Diamonds though. Had no idea it extended beyond the RD/Vol 1 years.

if he say a sonny cheaba verse he only biggin up his brother...

 

[SnowflakesByTheOZ]

Respect fam @Awesome Wells you always drop gems

 

[Awesome Wells]

@Awesome Wells respect fam. I always was appreciate when a poster knows his shyt especially when it seems like first hand experience.

Ur a dope poster.

I appreciate it, man. Much respect.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Respect fam @Awesome Wells you always drop gems

Respect, my guy. I appreciate that!

 

[nieman]

Nas never sounded like G Rap to me. Trag was his Juice Crew influencer, and he never sounded like Rakim either AZ is far more G Rap than Nas. Pun, Black Thought,

Jay is a well documented style stealer. Always has been, always will be.

The one bul really said that every rapper wanted to be a hustler after Reasonable Doubt, like that's what started it. You had Cuban Linx, Doe or Die, Jealous One's Envy, all albums with the hustlers mentality BEFORE Reasonable Doubt.

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

Jay-z is a weirdo. Just like Game.

 

[Miggs]

This interviewer is a dumbfukk who doesnt know Camp Lo had the first version of Feelin it

 

[Yehuda]

The problem with this, is dudes have a lot of revisionist history going on with these stories.

Hov was on WNYU freestyling and flowing the way he did on "Feelin' It" and on "Best of Me", way before Camp Lo even dropped their "Coolie High" single on wax. Two years before. Ski spoke on this mad times. He gave the "Feeling' It" beat to both of them, and other artists and would coach them on how to flow on the beat. But Jay had the record deal and was ready to drop sooner, so he got the beat. When Camp Lo dropped Uptown Saturday Night, they spoke on it and said that Jay's track was better, so they thought he was the one that should have the beat. Ski has always said the same. Jay was rolling with Ski as early as '92 before he even oversaw Camp Lo's music, when Clark and Dame were helping to shop them as rappers. So he always had first pick of Ski's beats, something else Ski has said many times.

Uptown Saturday Night was dope, probably a classic too. Super underrated. I always fukked with their music, I'm a fan of their shyt, but they gotta stop lying, lol. Both dudes in the Lo used to shower Jay with mad praise early on in their careers, and then after he took off, and their careers stalled, that's when they started doing the interviews saying he was biting them and all that. When "Luchini" was popping and they looked like they would sell and Jay was still working his way up, every time they spoke on him, they loved the guy. Then after they fell off, all of a sudden, they started up with throwing little shots. You see that way too much in Hip Hop.

True, they've been speaking on it ever since Roc declined on signing them in 2001. They lost their deal with Arista, and ended up going with an indie label called 81 Records instead. Right after that, they started going to the magazines and talking about Jay stealing flows and songs from them.

No coincidence there.

Oh, I don't know what's been said on here. I just know the actual history. If anyone would know, it's Ski. And he's always said mad times that he started working on those songs with Jay for RD way before Camp Lo was even a group, back when he was living Uptown and hanging with Dame all the time. Jay already had those beats, along with other joints that Ski did for RD. When Jay decided to keep it and use it for the album, they all decided it was the best move. This was before Camp Lo was even a thing. He was demoing the song for himself and let one of the dudes from Camp Lo jump on it too. This is back when Ski was still rapping. He just wanted vocals on it and he played it for Jay. Jay asked for it, and he told Jay how to flow on it and gave him the hook. Ski literally said he asked for the beat and he gave it to him, "it's not like he jacked it". This pre-dates Camp Lo as a group. It was Ski's song for his album, not Camp Lo's demo, lol.

I just go straight to the source. That track wasn't even a Camp Lo joint. The other dude wasn't even around for the group yet. LOL!! The two people rhyming on the song are Ski and only one of the dudes from the group. It was a track that Ski was demoing for himself, for his own album when he was rapping. He would always play these for Jay. So if Jay heard something he liked, he would give it to Jay because they were working on RD. He's a producer, he literally said he gave him the beat, the hook and the flow too.

So I don't know how that turned into Jay jacking beats from Camp Lo. These aren't even their beats. Camp Lo didn't even exist yet, lol.

Ski recorded the OG song with just him and Geechi Suede, for his own album. THAT is the version that he played for Jay. Not anything that had Sonny Cheeba on it. Because there was no Camp Lo yet. Ski says verbatim, that he gave Jay the flows for the songs they did on RD. That's what a producer does, it's his job. Same way, you see Rick Rubin telling Jay how to flow on the "99 Problems" beat. Or how The Bomb Squad coached Cube for AMW. That's what production is, it's not just giving someone a beat.

Biggie asked for Luchini too, according to Ski. Ski played that beat for mad people, from '95 on, he said. He had that shyt way back when he was still in Original Flavor. He said Camp Lo wanted the beat for "Who You Wit", that Jay used. Does that mean they were trying to jack the beat from Jay? Nah, it's Hip Hop. If a producer plays a beat for mad different people, and it's dope, people are going to ask for it. That's not some violation. So this thing where dude is acting like he's some victim because Jay asked for a beat, it's ridiculous. Everyone asks producers for beats. And if someone else has it, you move on.

Facts are facts.

Cheeba wasn't even on the OG "I'm Feelin' It'. LOL!! If you listen, that's Geechi and Ski.

Ski wrote all of their hooks, including "Luchini". He also said mad times that he gave hooks and flows to Jay. He used to rap, so it's not like he can't do it. He's producing these artists. Giving them hooks and flows to his beats. That's how it's supposed to be. He was already making records with Geechie before he even knew Sonny Cheeba. Years later, Geechi brought Sonny Cheeba to Ski and that's when he started working with the group. But he was working with Jay way before Sonny Cheeba was even around. That's why I'm telling you, dudes are trying to rewrite history.

Dude's been lying for years.

Ski didn't even start doing tracks for Camp Lo until late '95. Dude was making music with Geechi Suede back in like '93, when they were neighbors years before he even met Sonny Cheeba. He was making records with Jay as far back as '92. So dude saying that Jay wanted "Luchini" is corny. Ski said everybody wanted that beat when they heard it! Same way, he said Camp Lo wanted beats that he gave Jay.

But the point is "Feelin' It" wasn't even a damn Camp Lo song. Haha!! It was for Ski's album and he decided to give it to Jay. Coached him on the recording, gave him the hook and everything. WTF does that have to do with Camp Lo? LOL!! Sonny Cheeba wasn't even on it! Dude is weird.

Ski knew. Read below:

"That was my song! It was a song I was working on for my album at the time. It was me and Suede from Camp Lo rapping on it. I was happy about the song so I ran up in Dame’s house and Jay was there. I played it for them and they got the mad frown face, bopping they head, like, 'This is dope!'

Then Jay was like, 'You know you gotta give me that song right?' I was like, 'What do you mean? I just did this song!' He was like, 'Come on B, I need that for my album. You know we’re working on this album. Give me that beat, I want that hook too.' He took the beat, the hook, and the flow too! Which was cool, it wasn’t like he didn't ask me for it. He didn’t jack it. He told me he was going to do it."

Literally nothing to do with Sonny Cheeba or Camp Lo. It was Ski's record. He just had Geechi on it with him. Not Sonny Cheeba. That's why I'm telling you, dude is weird. He just makes shyt up, lol.

Sounds like two things.

One, Sonny Cheeba is lying again. And two, Ski was in charge of production on RD. He always talks about how he coached Jay on his beats and how he wrote hooks and made changes that he thought would fit the album better. Ski doesn't just give people beats. He's a producer's producer. He's told the same stories about working with Spitta, Mos Def, Camp Lo, whoever. He always speaks about how he coaches dudes and produces records from start to finish. Most of the dudes from that generation did that.

I know a lot of dudes think it's cool to discredit Jay, but if you speak to or listen to the people who actually worked with him, you get the real story. Jay recorded the majority of the references from RD at Ski's crib. They lived around the corner from each other, so they were together working on these tracks. Jay wasn't running off on his own and doing them, lol. Ski was right there with him. He said they would do the references at his crib, and also the pre-production and when Jay got the lyrics memorized, they would go to the studio and lay them again. He actually produced Jay from start to finish. It's not like now where you just send people shyt. Back then, you actually sat with the MC and worked. He said Camp Lo wanted the beat to "Politics as Usual" too. LOL!! Because of the horns.

'Yo how you gonna give that beat to Jay-Z? What about us? You always giving Jay the dope beats!'"

Nas was mimicking G Rap early on.

Marley Marl speaks about that a lot. G Rap, Biz and Russell Simmons have said the same, and Large Pro. Nas has even mentioned it, lol. Def Jam passed on signing him because they felt like he sounded too much like G Rap. People used to always hear that story back then.

But why are people still comparing Nas and Jay? LOL!!

Nah, on the demo that he made with help from Marley and Paul. People thought he was G Rap on there. That's how much he sounded like him, lol. Everyone knows these stories. This is when he was working on the first version of his album. Same way Jay was working on the first version of his with "Feelin' It".

Jay and Nas comparisons are weird. This thing where you can't be fans of both is corny. They literally don't have anything to do with each other, other than the fact that they had beef for a little while. But there's nothing that Jay has done, that Nas hasn't done too and vice versa. People who've been around long enough, know that, lol. None of these dudes are immune to making the same moves to get on and succeed. They all did the same shyt back then.

 

[Animal House]

if he say a sonny cheaba verse he only biggin up his brother...

Yeah that’s because he’s big enough to do it

 

[mobbinfms]

"Carolina blue kicks, Hottest nikka on the block, used to wheelie bicycles since I was 6.." didn't even realize how much of Sonny Cheeba's flow was there.
Never realized it extended beyond Reasonable Doubt. Which I BEEN knew about for years. lol.

The part at the end where he’s like “you hate me yet?” Jay 1000% bit that flow from them. My jaw was on the floor first time I saw it posted on here. shyt. You were the one who probably posted it.

 

[mobbinfms]

Really? I been posting this shyt for years on here. Lol

I’ve posted it a few times as well. It’s crazy how it’s always been ignored.

 

[Preach Jackson]

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