Somebody explain why Karl Malone is not viewed in the same league as T.D.?

[nieman]

He is to me. Duncan coasted for more than half of his career, so he takes a step back.

 

[FTBS]

He is to me. Duncan coasted for more than half of his career, so he takes a step back.

Malone failed to get out of the first round half of his career with a HOF PG and coach. How many steps is that? Neither of them ever got hurt btw. And this ain't "Bu...bu...but the West" either, many of those came when the West was actually the weaker conference. Before Duncan started "coasting" his team won 4 chips in 10 years with all kinds of different casts and no PRIME HOFers (I guess you could say Manu). Maybe if Duncan's season ended in April every other year he wouldn't have had to start "coasting" in order to extend his career .

 

[#1 pick]

I totally get the rings argument but outside of that why is Karl Malone viewed as that much lesser then T.D. yes, give Timmy D the edge with rings but outside of that he's in the same league as a power forward.

Tim Duncan vs. Karl Malone Comparison

Tim was better than Karl at everything but the PnR and scoring. Same reason why everyone thinks LeBron is better than Melo

 

[#1 pick]

Yeah the fukk he was. Malone was similar to LeBron. Like a tougher version of a LeBron. Duncan was a tougher version of Eldon Campbell.Duncan and Stockton would have never beaten the bulls and I doubt would have ever made it to the finals.

Hall of Shame nominee

 

[PS5 Pro]

Hall of Shame nominee

Shouldn't you be fishing right now

 

[AlainLocke]

Tophy, is that your name? Probably a typo, Toby, sit yo ass down

2things

1.) Idk what I'm talking about? But you are claiming the wizards fate on a basketball court is directly linked to a message board post

2.) LeBron and Malone are incredibly similar. They went to the rack with the same intensity. Karl had a much more reliable mid range jumper that was automatic. LeBron has developed into a decent shooter himself but relies on taking it in on smaller defenders. Malone did this as well but the difference is the league had actual big men in those days.

Going down memory lane, I'm not even sure if LeBron would have been tough enough to be a star back then. I say that because he is from this era and this era is the crybaby era. Fist fights would happen back then and the worst a player would get is a technical
Duncan, same fate. Benefited from the league changing and the system. Shaq doesn't even recognize him as a center because he wasn't in the old era. He is good, durable and rare to find at his size. But ultimately Duncan is a crack free Lamar Odom

This is like the worst analysis ever...

Tim Duncan and Lamar Odom are nothing alike. Karl Malone and Lebron are nothing alike.

 

[PS5 Pro]

This is like the worst analysis ever...

Tim Duncan and Lamar Odom are nothing alike. Karl Malone and Lebron are nothing alike.

Duncan and Odom were both tall ass muthafukkaz. None of them nikkaz was Magic Johnson, Tim was just more consistent which is to be expected when you're not smoking crack. Since they both basketball players they are similar based off that fact.
Now the question is how different where they? Well, none of them really tried to go outside the box, Tim was a fundamentals guy
Odom sort of overachieved because he was, well, smoking crack n shyt. But in his PRIME he was doing work as a big man. Both was not really POWER orientated.

As for Lebron and Karl? I think they are more similar than you think. Swag is totally different, and maybe Karl wasn't that thick coming out of high school. But as NBA Players, Karl in his Prime is very comparable to Lebron. What you gonna say, Lebron passes better? Lebron was the PG of his team usually, but Karl was not known for turning the ball over, he was known for making the right play be it him or dishing off to Horny or B.Russ or whoever. He is a hall of famer, all time great. Malone had a better J, was more clutch. This is where I fail to serperate them because when you look at Lebron's strengths? Its all the things Malone did great. You tell me what makes them DIFFERENT other than how their respective teams are made up (which causes obvious differences in terms of style of play) I feel overall, they bring the same attributes to the table with the mildest of differences here n there

 

[AlainLocke]

Duncan and Odom were both tall ass muthafukkaz. None of them nikkaz was Magic Johnson, Tim was just more consistent which is to be expected when you're not smoking crack. Since they both basketball players they are similar based off that fact.
Now the question is how different where they? Well, none of them really tried to go outside the box, Tim was a fundamentals guy
Odom sort of overachieved because he was, well, smoking crack n shyt. But in his PRIME he was doing work as a big man. Both was not really POWER orientated.

As for Lebron and Karl? I think they are more similar than you think. Swag is totally different, and maybe Karl wasn't that thick coming out of high school. But as NBA Players, Karl in his Prime is very comparable to Lebron. What you gonna say, Lebron passes better? Lebron was the PG of his team usually, but Karl was not known for turning the ball over, he was known for making the right play be it him or dishing off to Horny or B.Russ or whoever. He is a hall of famer, all time great. Malone had a better J, was more clutch. This is where I fail to serperate them because when you look at Lebron's strengths? Its all the things Malone did great. You tell me what makes them DIFFERENT other than how their respective teams are made up (which causes obvious differences in terms of style of play) I feel overall, they bring the same attributes to the table with the mildest of differences here n there

Karl Malone is the definition of anti-clutch. He had no post moves, he had a J and a he was a masterful pick and roller and transition player. He always played worse in the playoffs because he couldn't create his own shot. Karl Malone is a big man.

Lebron on the other hand is an elite playmaker and shot creator and is an all time great playoff performer.

And Lamar Odom was a point forward, Tim Duncan played in the post and was a defensive anchor.

 

[MikelArteta]

Same as in every sport rings

In hockey cacs like Toews and Kane are considered better than Jarome Iginla

 

[PS5 Pro]

Karl Malone is the definition of anti-clutch. He had no post moves, he had a J and a he was a masterful pick and roller and transition player. He always played worse in the playoffs because he couldn't create his own shot. Karl Malone is a big man.

Lebron on the other hand is an elite playmaker and shot creator and is an all time great playoff performer.

And Lamar Odom was a point forward, Tim Duncan played in the post and was a defensive anchor.

You not talking about prime odom, he was not a point forward with the lakers

As for Karl

 

[AlainLocke]

You not talking about prime odom, he was not a point forward with the lakers

As for Karl

LOL Lamar Odom was a point forward in the triangle. WTF...he was a secondary ball handler next to Kobe.

And Karl Malone was a shytty post season player...

That's why he never won a damn ring.

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

I totally get the rings argument but outside of that why is Karl Malone viewed as that much lesser then T.D. yes, give Timmy D the edge with rings but outside of that he's in the same league as a power forward.

Tim Duncan vs. Karl Malone Comparison

you mean on the internet? or real life?

dont take these internet nikkas serious breh.....

 

[UpAndComing]

Duncan is a Center masquerading as a Power Forward

So Karl Malone is a better PF

 

[valet]

you mean on the internet? or real life?

dont take these internet nikkas serious breh.....

Both

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Magic stopped playing for the Lakers in 91 (they didn't make the Finals again until 2000). Malone made the Finals in 1997-98. What happened to him all those other years in between? Let me guess, Rockets were better (94-95), Sonics (96) were better, Blazers were better (92), Suns were better (93)?

Utah still had great teams and their star came up short. There is nothing wrong with accepting that. San Antonio wasn't looked at as a winning organization until Duncan made them one. All you have to do is listen to the people in that organization talk about Tim.

Utah never had great teams. They had Malone & Stockton

And San Antonio was winning 60 games with Dennis Rodman, David Robinson, & Sean Elliot. They had ONE terrible season in like the last 25, the year that David Robinson tore his knee up and they ended up getting Tim Duncan because of that.

Dude, they won 56, 55, 47, 49, 55, 62, 59, and 20 games the years before they got Tim Duncan. They were a perennial 50 win team BEFORE Duncan.

So pop was hall of fame status when Duncan arrived? Let's not forget he was 1 game from being fired. Dumbass. Past prime d Rob woth back problems and Parker and ginobili, who weren't even established players till Duncan made them. That's your argument? Duncan made the Spurs who they are today. He's the foundation. He made pop, ginobili and Parker. Just another typical Duncan hater.

Dude, shut the fukk up. Aint nobody a "Duncan hater"

Dude, Pop is a disciple of Larry Brown, who's probably (other than Pop) the best coach of the past 40 years. He was more than equipped to take over the team.
The Spurs organization were a perennial 50 win team BEFORE Duncan and Popovich. They only had that one terrible year because David Robinson got hurt. Look at my post above. They were winning 60 games a few years earlier

you are saying as if karl malone played on the worst squad ever and as if tim duncan played in the best squad ever

the 99 championship david robinson was way past his prime, the rest of the squad was meh....tim was easily the leader of that team and they handled the west very easy

the 2003 tim duncan carried his team on some historical level where tony parker was still wayy too inconsistent, had speedy claxton taking his minutes

so if we take away those stacked championships tim still has two titles where he was easily the very much leader of the team

karl malone played with hall of famer john stockton his whole career and sloan is considered one of the best coaches in nba history too. They were losing to the teams worse than chicago bulls. They lost to supersonics multiple times, houston rockets, phoenix suns, portland trailblazers. You name it

Tim in his prime would only lose to prime lakers and he also lost to 06 mavs that went to the finals, before him going past his prime. Think about it. Karl could not take over the games the way Tim Duncan did. Him and Stockton were one of the best duos ever in regular season, but in playoffs they often would come up short because they didnt have go-to moves where a player could single-handedly take over the games. Tim was THAT nikka, watch his 03 run.

Dude, the 99 season was the strike season. The fukking knicks made it to the finals with Allen Houston and Latrell Sprewell & larry Johnson.

That wasn't a normal season

And come on, Jerry Sloan is NOT considered one of the greatest coaches in history the same way that Gregg Popovich, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, and Red Auerbach are. He's lower down that list of "great", but not 'all-time great" coaches.

And Malone & Stockton are ALL Utah ever had because, NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY IN UTAH

And like I said earlier, the San Antonio Spurs are the best run organization in sports. Why do you think they're going on this year without Duncan as if nothing even happened? The dude wasn't a great player for the past decade of his career and they still won.

He didn't average 20pts & 10rebs for almost the last decade of his career.

You just can't argue that Malone having Stockton and having to play in Utah had as many advantages as Duncan did playing for a perennial winning organization that's good with or without him, has arguably the GOAT coach, and other Hall of Famers

And let's not forget the elephant in the room, Tim Duncan never had to play Michael Jordan in his prime.

San Antonio might not have shyt either, if their primes intersected with Jordan's like Malone, Stockton, Barkley, Dominique, Ewing, etc. . .