Somebody explain why Karl Malone is not viewed in the same league as T.D.?

[Soylent Greenz]

Prime Karl Malone isn't even as good as prime Barkley...let alone Tim Duncan.
He was a great player tho with stellar longevity, a damn near automatic mid range game and toughness.
But even in his own era..he was never transcendent.
No defense..no ball handling skills..had trouble rebounding amongst the trees at 6'7...no NBA PLAYER OF HIS ERA EVER CALLED HIM THE BEST EVER.
The internet is a nice place tho.

 

[Draje]

Duncan and Odom were both tall ass muthafukkaz. None of them nikkaz was Magic Johnson, Tim was just more consistent which is to be expected when you're not smoking crack. Since they both basketball players they are similar based off that fact.
Now the question is how different where they? Well, none of them really tried to go outside the box, Tim was a fundamentals guy
Odom sort of overachieved because he was, well, smoking crack n shyt. But in his PRIME he was doing work as a big man. Both was not really POWER orientated.

As for Lebron and Karl? I think they are more similar than you think. Swag is totally different, and maybe Karl wasn't that thick coming out of high school. But as NBA Players, Karl in his Prime is very comparable to Lebron. What you gonna say, Lebron passes better? Lebron was the PG of his team usually, but Karl was not known for turning the ball over, he was known for making the right play be it him or dishing off to Horny or B.Russ or whoever. He is a hall of famer, all time great. Malone had a better J, was more clutch. This is where I fail to serperate them because when you look at Lebron's strengths? Its all the things Malone did great. You tell me what makes them DIFFERENT other than how their respective teams are made up (which causes obvious differences in terms of style of play) I feel overall, they bring the same attributes to the table with the mildest of differences here n there

Compare "making the right play" and not turning over the ball with being one of the most talented and creative passers of the modern era.

Lebron is a much better ball-handler, shooter, passer, playmaker, scorer, decision maker, and more versatile defensively.

Malone was more clutch than Lebron? Since when?

 

[Wacky D]

I always thought barkley was nicer than Malone.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Utah never had great teams. They had Malone & Stockton

And San Antonio was winning 60 games with Dennis Rodman, David Robinson, & Sean Elliot. They had ONE terrible season in like the last 25, the year that David Robinson tore his knee up and they ended up getting Tim Duncan because of that.

Dude, they won 56, 55, 47, 49, 55, 62, 59, and 20 games the years before they got Tim Duncan. They were a perennial 50 win team BEFORE Duncan.



Dude, shut the fukk up. Aint nobody a "Duncan hater"

Dude, Pop is a disciple of Larry Brown, who's probably (other than Pop) the best coach of the past 40 years. He was more than equipped to take over the team.
The Spurs organization were a perennial 50 win team BEFORE Duncan and Popovich. They only had that one terrible year because David Robinson got hurt. Look at my post above. They were winning 60 games a few years earlier



Dude, the 99 season was the strike season. The fukking knicks made it to the finals with Allen Houston and Latrell Sprewell & larry Johnson.

That wasn't a normal season

And come on, Jerry Sloan is NOT considered one of the greatest coaches in history the same way that Gregg Popovich, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, and Red Auerbach are. He's lower down that list of "great", but not 'all-time great" coaches.

And Malone & Stockton are ALL Utah ever had because, NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY IN UTAH

And like I said earlier, the San Antonio Spurs are the best run organization in sports. Why do you think they're going on this year without Duncan as if nothing even happened? The dude wasn't a great player for the past decade of his career and they still won.

He didn't average 20pts & 10rebs for almost the last decade of his career.

You just can't argue that Malone having Stockton and having to play in Utah had as many advantages as Duncan did playing for a perennial winning organization that's good with or without him, has arguably the GOAT coach, and other Hall of Famers

And let's not forget the elephant in the room, Tim Duncan never had to play Michael Jordan in his prime.

San Antonio might not have shyt either, if their primes intersected with Jordan's like Malone, Stockton, Barkley, Dominique, Ewing, etc. . .

FOH

Spurs had ZERO Finals appearances much less rings before Tim got there.

Timmy managed to get 5 rings playing in one of the league's most talented eras. He won titles playing against multiple future and current HOF players

He won rings AND MVP's playing in the same conference that had Shaq, KG, CWebb, Dirk, Sheed all in their primes

Made 6 Finals when the Western Conference was at it's toughest

Malone got no rings and barely made 2 Finals playing in a weak West during the 90s

Had a HOF top 10 all time PG in Stockton his entire career. Jerry Sloan is a top 5 coach over a 1,000 wins

Tim played in a small market just like Karl did.

You say nobody wanted to play in Utah, tell me what free agents were running to play in San Antonio in the 90's and 2000's

Tim didn't average 20/10 cause he didn't get the minutes or touches. Per 36 minutes he was still an elite player. Was still one of if not the best interior defender in the league after he got old and his knees left

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Those western conference playoffs series in the 90s though

 

[FTBS]

FOH

Spurs had ZERO Finals appearances much less rings before Tim got there.

Timmy managed to get 5 rings playing in one of the league's most talented eras. He won titles playing against multiple future and current HOF players

He won rings AND MVP's playing in the same conference that had Shaq, KG, CWebb, Dirk, Sheed all in their primes

Made 6 Finals when the Western Conference was at it's toughest

Malone got no rings and barely made 2 Finals playing in a weak West during the 90s

Had a HOF top 10 all time PG in Stockton his entire career. Jerry Sloan is a top 5 coach over a 1,000 wins

Tim played in a small market just like Karl did.

You say nobody wanted to play in Utah, tell me what free agents were running to play in San Antonio in the 90's and 2000's

Tim didn't average 20/10 cause he didn't get the minutes or touches. Per 36 minutes he was still an elite player. Was still one of if not the best interior defender in the league after he got old and his knees left

nikkas would appreciate Tim more if he was half he player but had twice the personality or played for the Lakers or played 25 years ago.

 

[PS5 Pro]

Compare "making the right play" and not turning over the ball with being one of the most talented and creative passers of the modern era.

Lebron is a much better ball-handler, shooter, passer, playmaker, scorer, decision maker, and more versatile defensively.

Malone was more clutch than Lebron? Since when?

When was LeBron clutch, ever

I guess you didn't see them statistics? LeBron is the least clutch player of all time. I didn't realize he was that low but it is what it is

 

[trayhezy]

I don't understand this board. In one breath, you have people talking about the regular season doesn't matter, then you have people citing Karl Malone's regular season accomplishments.

Duncan was All-NBA and All-Defense for like 15 straight years and won FIVE NBA titles (in 6 tries). The only argument for Malone would be you like his regular season numbers. He played with a HOF point guard his entire career with a HOF coach as well and couldn't lead his team to the title. I'd say that is pretty damning for The Mailman. He had a contender for years and still couldn't deliver.

It seems simple....but most people act as if they don't understand that there are TWO ends of the court.

Tim was dominant at BOTH ends....that is why he has the hardware to show for it.

 

[desjardins]

crazy i was thinking about this today
when i was growing up karl malone was basically the "GOAT PF"
so he leapfrogged barkley, mchale and who ever else in the eyes of most people back then
then with the quickness Duncan took that title
aight cool, he's probably better when you include defense and passing
but now nikkas BARELY mention Karl Malone at all
it's so many dudes from the 90s that barely get mentioned now days it seems
it's like if 15 yrs from now people ONLY talk about Lebron, KD, and Steph Curry but never mention Harden, Westbrook, CP3 etc

 

[Draje]

When was LeBron clutch, ever

I guess you didn't see them statistics? LeBron is the least clutch player of all time. I didn't realize he was that low but it is what it is

Things like having multiple playoff game winners, being a GOAT elimination playoff game performer, a GOAT game 7 performer, and leading his team to multiple championships even with injuries and tribulations

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Prime Karl Malone isn't even as good as prime Barkley...let alone Tim Duncan.
He was a great player tho with stellar longevity, a damn near automatic mid range game and toughness.
But even in his own era..he was never transcendent.
No defense..no ball handling skills..had trouble rebounding amongst the trees at 6'7...no NBA PLAYER OF HIS ERA EVER CALLED HIM THE BEST EVER.
The internet is a nice place tho.

Yet, Malone has twice as many MVPs, made the all-NBA team more times, made more all-star teams, and finished 2nd to MJ 5 times in scoring

FOH

Spurs had ZERO Finals appearances much less rings before Tim got there.

Timmy managed to get 5 rings playing in one of the league's most talented eras. He won titles playing against multiple future and current HOF players

He won rings AND MVP's playing in the same conference that had Shaq, KG, CWebb, Dirk, Sheed all in their primes

Made 6 Finals when the Western Conference was at it's toughest

Malone got no rings and barely made 2 Finals playing in a weak West during the 90s

Had a HOF top 10 all time PG in Stockton his entire career. Jerry Sloan is a top 5 coach over a 1,000 wins

Tim played in a small market just like Karl did.

You say nobody wanted to play in Utah, tell me what free agents were running to play in San Antonio in the 90's and 2000's

Tim didn't average 20/10 cause he didn't get the minutes or touches. Per 36 minutes he was still an elite player. Was still one of if not the best interior defender in the league after he got old and his knees left

@ the 2000s being the "best era of the Western Conference"

Dude, the 2000s was the worst era in NBA history, other than the '50s.

This dude wasn't playing Magic's Lakers, the Twin Towers in Houston, the Dallas team that had Mark Aguirre, Derek Harper, Roy Tarpley, and Rolando Blackman, Barkley's Suns, Olajuwon's later Houston teams, or Kemp & Payton's Supersonics.

The ONLY great team of the 2000s were the Shaq & Kobe Lakers. That's it. Every other team would've gotten sparked by any of those teams I mentioned.

Duncan might not have most of finals appearances if he has to play in Malone's era and run into Magic's Lakers & the Twin Towers in the '80s & Olajuwon's Houston teams & Kemp & Payton's teams in the '90s

And he definitely wouldn't have chips if he has to play Bird's Celtics, Isiahs's Pistons, or Jordan's Bulls in the Finals.

Y'all really keep showing y'all age.

And if you look at the great players San Antonio's had over the years, from Rodman, Robinson, George Gervin, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, Kawaii Leonard, LaMarcus Aldridge, they've always attracted talent in multiple eras.

Utah had Stockton and Malone for 18 years and for a while people thought Deron Williams might be something. THAT'S IT. That's Utah's whole history of great players.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Yet, Malone has twice as many MVPs, made the all-NBA team more times, made more all-star teams, and finished 2nd to MJ 5 times in scoring



@ the 2000s being the "best era of the Western Conference"

Dude, the 2000s was the worst era in NBA history, other than the '50s.

This dude wasn't playing Magic's Lakers, the Twin Towers in Houston, the Dallas team that had Mark Aguirre, Derek Harper, Roy Tarpley, and Rolando Blackman, Barkley's Suns, Olajuwon's later Houston teams, or Kemp & Payton's Supersonics.

The ONLY great team of the 2000s were the Shaq & Kobe Lakers. That's it. Every other team would've gotten sparked by any of those teams I mentioned.

Duncan might not have most of finals appearances if he has to play in Malone's era and run into Magic's Lakers & the Twin Towers in the '80s & Olajuwon's Houston teams & Kemp & Payton's teams in the '90s

And he definitely wouldn't have chips if he has to play Bird's Celtics, Isiahs's Pistons, or Jordan's Bulls in the Finals.

Y'all really keep showing y'all age.

And if you look at the great players San Antonio's had over the years, from Rodman, Robinson, George Gervin, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, Kawaii Leonard, LaMarcus Aldridge, they've always attracted talent in multiple eras.

Utah had Stockton and Malone for 18 years and for a while people thought Deron Williams might be something. THAT'S IT. That's Utah's whole history of great players.

Sounds like a shytload if excuses

All them players you listed for the Spurs were all drafted

Like Utah ain't have Adrian Dantley, Pete Maravich, Thurl Bailey, Mark Eaton, Jeff Malone, etc come through there

Duncan won chips playing with second and late first round picks. You still ain't name one big name free agent who went to SA before 2016

Malone had more free agents sign in Utah than Duncan did in SA

The West in the 90's and late 80's was not that great. Houston won a fukking title with only 47 wins

Stop gassing up that era to cape and pretend like Malone ain't a career loser


nikka said Derek Harper and Roy Tarpley

Get constantly ethered by George Karl coached teams

Win MVP and lose in the first round

 

[Soylent Greenz]

Yet, Malone has twice as many MVPs, made the all-NBA team more times, made more all-star teams, and finished 2nd to MJ 5 times in scoring



@ the 2000s being the "best era of the Western Conference"

Dude, the 2000s was the worst era in NBA history, other than the '50s.

This dude wasn't playing Magic's Lakers, the Twin Towers in Houston, the Dallas team that had Mark Aguirre, Derek Harper, Roy Tarpley, and Rolando Blackman, Barkley's Suns, Olajuwon's later Houston teams, or Kemp & Payton's Supersonics.

The ONLY great team of the 2000s were the Shaq & Kobe Lakers. That's it. Every other team would've gotten sparked by any of those teams I mentioned.

Duncan might not have most of finals appearances if he has to play in Malone's era and run into Magic's Lakers & the Twin Towers in the '80s & Olajuwon's Houston teams & Kemp & Payton's teams in the '90s

And he definitely wouldn't have chips if he has to play Bird's Celtics, Isiahs's Pistons, or Jordan's Bulls in the Finals.

Y'all really keep showing y'all age.

And if you look at the great players San Antonio's had over the years, from Rodman, Robinson, George Gervin, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, Kawaii Leonard, LaMarcus Aldridge, they've always attracted talent in multiple eras.

Utah had Stockton and Malone for 18 years and for a while people thought Deron Williams might be something. THAT'S IT. That's Utah's whole history of great players.

Steve Nash has 2 mvps.
I already said that Karl Malone had stellar longevity...so of course he has more all star appearances and more all nba selections.
In his prime he wasn't as good as Barkley in his prime,period.
Chuck Daly coached the Dream Team and said point blank that Barkley was the second best player in the world.
The mid to late 90s are universally known as a time where the league was weaker than just about any other time...explaining why a past his prime Malone and past his prime Stockton got to 2 nba finals.
These are things that NBA players have said on record.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Steve Nash has 2 mvps.
I already said that Karl Malone had stellar longevity...so of course he has more all star appearances and more all nba selections.
In his prime he wasn't as good as Barkley in his prime,period.
Chuck Daly coached the Dream Team and said point blank that Barkley was the second best player in the world.
The mid to late 90s are universally known as a time where the league was weaker than just about any other time...explaining why a past his prime Malone and past his prime Stockton got to 2 nba finals.
These are things that NBA players have said on record.

Weaker than the era in which Allen Iverson's Sixers & Jason Kidd's Nets went to the finals? Really?

And dude, it aint just "longevity" it's being GREAT for a long time.

Dude would've won 5 scoring titles if it wasn't for Jordan

Dude made ELEVEN All-NBA teams to Barkley's five.

They played at the same EXACT time, yet Malone's wayyyyy more accomplished.

And

Sounds like a shytload if excuses

All them players you listed for the Spurs were all drafted

Like Utah ain't have Adrian Dantley, Pete Maravich, Thurl Bailey, Mark Eaton, Jeff Malone, etc come through there

Duncan won chips playing with second and late first round picks. You still ain't name one big name free agent who went to SA before 2016

Malone had more free agents sign in Utah than Duncan did in SA

The West in the 90's and late 80's was not that great. Houston won a fukking title with only 47 wins

Stop gassing up that era to cape and pretend like Malone ain't a career loser


nikka said Derek Harper and Roy Tarpley

Get constantly ethered by George Karl coached teams

Win MVP and lose in the first round

nikka, you mentioning Thurl Bailey Mark Eaton?

At least Roy Tarpley was actually good, he just had a drug problem and kept getting suspended. And those Dallas teams gave Magic's Lakers all they could handle.

Derek Harper & Rolando Blackman were considered one of the best back courts in basketball. That's how I know you aint old enough to have been back then. Dallas was considered a team that could have won a title if not for magic's Lakers.

Has Duncan played anybody as good as Magic's lakers? TWin Towers in Houston? Jordan's Bulls?

NO.

And yes, I know San Antonio drafted those players, which is why I said they're the BEST ORGANIZATION IN SPORTS. That's my point. They got Hall of Famers in every generation.

Pistol Pete played for the New Orleans Jazz. By the time they went to Utah, he was injured and could not play.

So, I repeat, basically, Utah's basketball history is John Stockton & Karl Malone, whereas San Antoniio has been one of the best teams in basketball for 25 years

Before Duncan & now AFTER Duncan