Some of these old blues songs were straight up demonic

[IllmaticDelta]

There's different types of blues styles though

The Ray Charles song kanye sampled on Gold Digger is a blues song

Hip Hop is built of the Blues' Format, which all music copied and that is Call and Response

yup....these are all both based on 12 Bar blues

 

[IllmaticDelta]

No it don’t breh, not compared to soul. Y’all not about to sit here and try and twist like I said it never gets sampled and didn’t make the point that it’s not a popular genre to look to first when digging. That’s a fact. I don’t care how many examples of Blues flips y’all post. I know what I’m talking about

dude, you realize there is an electric blues style called "Soul Blues"?

soul blues is a style of blues music developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s that combines elements of soul music and urban contemporary music.[1]

Origin[edit]
African American singers and musicians who grew up listening to the electric blues by artists such as Muddy Waters,[2] Jimmy Reed, and Elmore James, and soul singers such as Sam Cooke, Ray Charles[3] and Otis Redding[4] fused blues and soul music.[1] Bobby Bland was one of the pioneers of this style.[1]

know genres before you speak on sh1t you don't know....even early funk was straight up 12 bar blues

description[edit]
"I Got You (I Feel Good)" is a twelve-bar blues with a brass-heavy instrumental arrangement similar to Brown's previous hit, "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag". It also features the same emphasis "on the one" (i.e. the first beat of the measure) that characterizes Brown's developing funk style. The lyrics have Brown exulting in how good he feels ("nice, like sugar and spice") now that he has the one he loves, his vocals punctuated by screams and shouts. The song includes an alto sax solo by Maceo Parker.

again, the style of blues you're talking about is pre-war acoustic

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

dude, you realize their is an electric blues style called "Soul Blues"?






know genres before you speak on sh1t you don't know....even early funk was straight up 12 bar blues






again, the style of blues you're talking about is pre-war acoustic

Breh I’m not arguing semantics with you. I’m not about to do this shyt. As a matter of fact, I’m about to go get on these beats...not no blues shyt. Y’all can stay here and convince y’all self that nikkas sit down, rub they hands like bird man, and go dig for blues samples. You adding sub genres and all that shyt in and it’s irrelevant. Cause my original point still remains and it’s a fact

 

[EndDomination]

Yeah it’s something demonic about the Blues cause I was just watching a YouTube video the other week and learned that it was a thing for Blues artist back in the day to claim they sold their souls to the devil

Only a couple, the vast majority of the claims came from Black preachers and non-musicians.

Remember when the same thing happened with metal in the 80s, and rap in the 2000s?

nikkas love speculating.

 

[EndDomination]

Did she cut his throat?!





Whats crazy is that if you sped it up, removed the repetition and expanded the vocabulary a bit, a lot of them would be horrorcore. Some of them was straight up rapping

I’ve posted this numerous times, but Black musicians have been rapping since the 1920s, off and on - hence why the idea that rap music itself started at a random house party in the Bronx is pretty short sighted and ahistorical.

Robert Johnson entire career revolved around the devil showing how to play the guitar, and he's the pioneer of Delta blues.

I think that legend blew up after he died, he was just a short lived by influential Delta blues musician during his life time.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Breh I’m not arguing semantics with you. I’m not about to do this shyt. As a matter of fact, I’m about to go get on these beats...not no blues shyt. Y’all can stay here and convince y’all self that nikkas sit down, rub they hands like bird man, and go dig for blues samples. You adding sub genres and all that shyt in and it’s irrelevant. Cause my original point still remains and it’s a fact

Blues genres

A

• African blues
• Anatolian blues

B

• Blues ballad
• Boogie
• Boogie-woogie
• British blues

C

• Chicago blues
• Chicago Blues Festival
• Classic female blues
• Country blues

D

• Delta blues
• Desert blues
• Detroit blues
• Dirty blues

E

• Electric blues

F

• Fife and drum blues

G

• Gospel blues

H

• Harmonica blues
• Hill country blues
• Hokum

I

• Indian blues

J

• Jump blues

K

• Kansas City blues

L

• Louisiana blues

M

• Maxwell Street
• Memphis blues
• Music of Chicago

N

• New blues
• New Orleans blues
• New Orleans rhythm and blues

P

• Piedmont blues
• Punk blues

R

• Blues rock

S

• Skiffle
• Slide guitar
• Soul blues
• St. Louis blues (music)
• Swamp blues

T

• Texas blues
• Twelve-bar blues

W

• West Coast blues

......anyone with ears will tell you these don't all sound the same or even have the same instrumentation; now take your L and bounce

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Doom could.

scarface too

they were living that life too

skip james was a bootlegger and pimp during the depression. he just moonlighted one of the eeriest blues singers ever on the side

geeshie wiley killed her husband and went on the run

Son House

Eddie “Son” House, Jr., was born in Lyon, Mississippi, near Clarksdale, on March 21, 1902. Both father and son were musicians, and each was torn by the conflict between observing conventional religion and playing “the Devil’s music” that scarred the lives of so many Blues performers. But, their reactions to this conflict were very different: House, Sr., stopped playing the Blues, quit his drinking, and became a deacon in the church; “Son,” on the other hand, while raised in the church, taught to detest Blues men, and “called” to preach at the age of fifteen, found the temptations of secular music, alcohol, and women impossible to resist. Son House’s decision to abandon the pulpit (more or less) for the Blues made him unique among Blues men, most of whom went in the other direction. (82)

At about the age of twenty-five, Son House had a “conversion experience” in reverse: blown away by the slide guitar work of Blues man Willie Wilson, House shortly found himself performing “the Devil’s music” regularly, while still continuing to preach. Then, in 1928, he shot and killed a man named Leroy Lee at a wild house party, was convicted of murder, and sentenced to a five-year term at the notorious Parchman Prison Farm. Fortunately for House–and for the Blues–his relatives (doubtless aided by an influential local white or two) secured his release from Parchman after a year, but a local judge warned him to leave town and never return. House moved to Lula, sixteen miles north of Clarksdale, where he was befriended by Charley Patton. And the rest, as they say, is (Blues) history.

In 1930, House accompanied Patton to a recording session in Grafton, Wisconsin, where he met–and performed with–Willie Brown, who would become his best friend. House also had the opportunity to record a number of tunes, including two of his most famous sides. In “My Black Mama,” the preacher turned Blues man proclaimed that “ain’t no heaven, say, there, ain’t no burnin’ hell,” and “where I’m going when I die, can’t nobody tell.” (66) Perhaps his most famous song, “Preachin’ the Blues,” revealed, according to his biographer, that House’s “ambivalent attitude about religion would become for him a full blown conflict whose tension and violence would fuel his drinking–but also raise his musical performances to the level of powerful art.” (69)

Son House–Preacher, Killer, “Father of the Delta Blues” (Blues Stories, 10)


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RL Burnside:

He was born into a family of Mississippi sharecroppers, received little education and joined his parents picking cotton on plantations at a young age. Moving to Chicago in the late 1940s, where he saw his fellow Mississippi bluesman Muddy Waters play, he was part of the great migration of black Americans from the delta region to northern industrial cities. Two years later, he returned to Mississippi after his father, two brothers and an uncle had been murdered in separate incidents in Chicago. Back in the south, Burnside shot a man who had wanted to run him off his land. The judge asked Burnside if he intended to kill the man, and he replied: "It was between him and the Lord, him dyin'. I just shot him in the head." He was convicted of murder and sent to Parchman, the notorious Mississippi prison. After serving six months, Burnside was released through the influence of a white plantation foreman.

Obituary: RL Burnside

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Leadbelly"

He had his first serious dustup with the law in 1910, says a lengthy article in the April 1962 edition of Black World. He was sentenced to a year on a chain gang, but managed to escape. He stayed out of prison and trouble for a time, until 1918, when he was sentenced to 30 years for murder and assault with intent to murder. He broke out twice, but was hauled back, once half-drowned. At that point, it seems, he decided to survive by hard work on the prison farm, and through music in the evenings. He played a memorable set for the Governor of Texas, Pat Neff, who visited the prison and in a remarkable mix of charity and cruelty, promised he wasn't going to pardon Ledbetter, at least not right away — Neff wanted Ledbetter to play for him every time he came to visit the prison, "But when I get outa office I'm gonna turn you loose if it's the last thing in the world I ever do."

He was as good as his word. Ledbetter was out in 1925, and continued to pursue music — collecting songs, writing songs, adding to his repertoire. He also nearly died at least three times over the next five years — a bottle fracturing his skull, a knife trying to slit his throat. The third time he fought back and ended up in Angola Prison in 1930, convicted of another assault with intent to murder, sentenced to 10 years.

Read More: Why Lead Belly Might Have Been The Most Violent Musician Of The 20th Century

 

[Brer Dog]

"Look-a here mama.
Can't get along
Honey I really tried to treat you right.
Now when I come in from work
Give ya my check
You wants to raise sand, fuss an fight
Get a chance to stay out all night
You left last night at eight
Going to a show
An' come smoothing in this morning at four.
You even had the nerve honey
Bring another man
Let him drive you up to my front door
Say you're through
Ya got all my money too
Come here woman let me tell ya what I'm gonna do to you
I'm gonna cut your head four different ways
That's Long, short, deep and wide
When I get the spring rhythm of this rusty black handle razor
you're gonna be booked out for an ambulance ride
cause I'm gonna cut A, B, C, D on top of your head
That's gonna be treating you nice like mama you ain't gonna be dead
Cut E, F, G right across your face
H, I, J, K that's where runnin' bound to take place
Cut L, M, N cross both your arms
You'll Sell ? an' pedalpeddle gal your whole life long
Cut N, O, P, Q that's gonna be trouble too.
cause I'm gonna grab you mama and turn you every way but loose
Cut R, S, T to hear you cry
That'll be the last time tears a run from over your eyes
Cut U, V, W on the bottom of your feet
That'll be the last time you walk up an' down 25th street
Gone marking cross your bosom with X, Y, Z
When I get through with this alphabet
you'll quit your messing with me."

Spoiler

 

[Goat poster]

Bu bu bu hip-hop made people violent

 

[IllmaticDelta]

"Look-a here mama.
Can't get along
Honey I really tried to treat you right.
Now when I come in from work
Give ya my check
You wants to raise sand, fuss an fight
Get a chance to stay out all night
You left last night at eight
Going to a show
An' come smoothing in this morning at four.
You even had the nerve honey
Bring another man
Let him drive you up to my front door
Say you're through
Ya got all my money too
Come here woman let me tell ya what I'm gonna do to you
I'm gonna cut your head four different ways
That's Long, short, deep and wide
When I get the spring rhythm of this rusty black handle razor
you're gonna be booked out for an ambulance ride
cause I'm gonna cut A, B, C, D on top of your head
That's gonna be treating you nice like mama you ain't gonna be dead
Cut E, F, G right across your face
H, I, J, K that's where runnin' bound to take place
Cut L, M, N cross both your arms
You'll Sell ? an' pedalpeddle gal your whole life long
Cut N, O, P, Q that's gonna be trouble too.
cause I'm gonna grab you mama and turn you every way but loose
Cut R, S, T to hear you cry
That'll be the last time tears a run from over your eyes
Cut U, V, W on the bottom of your feet
That'll be the last time you walk up an' down 25th street
Gone marking cross your bosom with X, Y, Z
When I get through with this alphabet
you'll quit your messing with me."

Spoiler

Bluesmen invented shock/horrorcore music

 

[humminbird]

Bluesmen invented shock/horrorcore music

add it to the list of black inventions

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Wanna set the world on fire
That is my one mad desire
I'm a devil in disguise
Got murder in my eyes

Now I could see blood runnin'
Through the streets
Now I could see blood runnin'
Through the streets
Could be everybody
Layin' dead right at my feet

Now man who invented war
Sure is my friend
The man invented war
Sure is my friend
Don't believe that I'm sinkin'
Just look what a hole I am in

Give me gunpowder
Give me dynamite
Give me gunpowder
Give me dynamite
Yes I'd wreck the city
Wanna blow it up tonight

I took my big Winchester
Down off the shelf
I took my big Winchester
Down off the shelf
When I get through shootin'
There won't be nobody left


...basically the father/mother of something like

 

[1LurkerChick9]

If you read Zora Neale Hurstons autobiography,she talks about studying blackrailroad workers. shyt was anything goes and men AND women were slicing each other up because the cops didn’t care about dead black folks. It made you “cool” and gave you a rep:status

She got cool with one of the HBIC at one of these places who later saved her life after Zora got a little too close to somebody’s man and was about to get sliced up



There’s a darker side to black history that doesn’t get talked about

 

[Brer Dog]

There’s a darker side to black history that doesn’t get talked about

@IllmaticDelta had a great thread about the music side of this. If you haven't seen it already:

The violent and seedy world of early Jazz and Blues, along with some of the characters of the period

 

[1LurkerChick9]

@IllmaticDelta had a great thread about the music side of this. If you haven't seen it already:

The violent and seedy world of early Jazz and Blues, along with some of the characters of the period

Love reading stuff like this, thanks breh