Some of the shyt Roy Jones Jr. did in that ring needs to be acknowledged more.

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towards the end of his career he got the flat top quick,

but in my lifetime (80's baby) RJJ is the best fighter i ever seen in my life, even over floyd

when he was in his prime, he was godly, i never have seen anything liek that again, and likely will not, he was just levels above everyone else athletically it was ridiculous
 

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I saw this blog article before the author seems like a hater trying to downplay Jones like most people do. As for the list yeah I would loved to see him fight some of those guys on the list and I think prime Roy would beat them but wouldn't be an easy task since he fought a few of them on the come up in the amateurs. We have to remember it takes two to tango so for whatever reason some of fights didn't happen because some fighters had certain promoters, some fighters wouldn't leave their country. I am sure if Jones did fight like 5 guys on that list they would still discredit whoever he didn't fight regardless. You see Hopkins was around that time and he didn't fight none of those guys either but he gets higher praised though.
 

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Speaking of Forbes they did a story of my GOAT a few months back.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/winniesun/2015/03/09/royjonesjr/

Roy Jones Jr.: World Title Holder, Mentor And Life Planner

For some people, it takes years to find a true calling. Others never find one at all. But Roy Jones, Jr. discovered his when he was just 5-years old.

During a recent interview in Venice Beach, Calif., to discuss his multifaceted career, Jones, Jr. told me he vividly recalls watching Muhammad Ali fight Joe Frazier in 1974. It was a rematch of “The Fight of the Century,” held three years earlier in which Frazier dealt Ali his first professional loss against the backdrop of a culturally and politically divided nation that was still trying to grapple with the Vietnam War, not to mention Ali’s famous refusal to fight in it.

The stakes for the second fight were not nearly as great. Not only had public opinion about the war started to shift but both fighters were past their prime years. Still, something about Ali’s performance that night appealed to Jones. His flamboyant style and approach made him want to become a boxer.

“I can do that,” Jones, Jr. told me he remembers thinking to himself.

Looking back, what Jones admires most about Ali, aside from the courage it took to relinquish his heavyweight crown in favor of his political and religious beliefs, was his ability to outsmart his opponents. At one time, Ali possessed a devastating combination of quickness and strength. But by 1974 those attributes were gone, and no one knew this better than Ali himself.

So he had to rely more on his mind as he got older. In the weeks leading up to the second fight, Ali continuously goaded Frazier and took several verbal shots at him via the press. While Ali had employed such tactics many times before, Jones said this time around his words had a singular purpose: To unhinge Frazier.

“The more irrational you make your opponent, the more control you have over him in the ring,” said Jones. “He knew what he was doing, and I respected that.”

Ray Robinson and one-time training partner Lennox Lewis. But, ultimately, it was Ali who had the most impact on his professional career. Thus, much like Ali, he had the same objective going into nearly every fight: Make the opponent as angry and frustrated as possible.
Jones Jr.’s career speaks for itself. The boy who at 5-years old knew that he wanted to be a professional boxer turned himself into an Olympic medalist, a belt holder in four different weight classes and at one-time the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, according to nearly everyone who followed the sport closely, including the Boxing Writers Association of America, which named him “Fighter of the Decade” during the 1990s.

But Jones, Jr.’s professional pursuits haven’t been limited to the ring. He’s released two hip hop albums and a featured single, ‘Can’t Be Touched,’ which has received over 63 million views on YouTube; appeared in six movies, including ‘Matrix Reloaded’; provided analysis for ‘HBO Boxing’; and also played semi-pro basketball. More recently, he’s become more serious about training young boxers and his fight promotion business, Roy Jones Jr. Boxing Promotions, a joint venture with Keith Veltre.

And while there’s no question that he’s made enough money over the years to ease comfortably into retirement, Jones, Jr. has no such plans.

“I never stop,” he told me. “I’ll never truly retire, because my mind is always on go.”

After getting the opportunity to speak with Jones, Jr., I couldn’t help but think that his life provides a few helpful lessons for those in our industry. For one, his interests are very well diversified. But so are his various businesses. Whether it’s boxing, fight promotion, music, acting or announcing, he’s developed a wide array of skills.

That serves as a good reminder for advisors and investors who might get tempted to put all their eggs in one proverbial basket. Jones, Jr. was the best boxer in the world at one time, but he managed to stay on balance. Advisors and clients need take the same approach regarding their investment strategy.

promotion, it’s clear that Jones, Jr. has dedicated the next phase of his life to mentoring younger people. This includes his 23-year old twin boys, who are also in the music business. Advisors – but especially parents – should take heed: Educating the next generation about money and improving financial literacy starts at home. It’s never too early to start educating a child about finances. And, finally, since Jones, Jr. has developed a reputation for fairness within boxing circles, up-and-coming fighters want to work with him. When Roy Jones Jr. Boxing teams with young boxers, Jones, Jr. and Veltre make sure contract terms are transparent and equitable. It’s part of what separates them from other promoters. Sound familiar? It should. Advisors should always seek the same type of relationships with their own clients. Be transparent, respectful and fair, and you’ll never have trouble attracting business.
 

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Still wished that he would've went to Europe to face Dariusz Michalczewski.

They can fight now since, Roy is definitely willing travel to Europe his last 3 out of 5 fights recently been over there. But on the real you can't really fault Jones at the time for not going he got robbed of his Gold Medal and felt he wouldn't get a fair shake even as a pro. At the time he was the top man and Dariusz came to the States to see the Virgil Hill fight but never wanted to come back again to set up the fight.
 

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It wouldn't matter if JT didn't have to cut so much weight or ballooning up between fights. RJ would handle him just about every time because stylistically he's a nightmare for JT.
the way that toney fights, the way a lot of guys like toney fight, guys like archie moore and guys like max schmeling, the upper body movement that is used makes a fighter have to over extend punches and when they get that upper body moving what they are doing is they are pulling in punches to counter. very pretty style.

when you can make a fighter have to over extend punches to hit you that makes it easy to counter because the punches are right there to for you to counter and he is falling right onto every counter you are throwing. thats why toney could never beat jones. he couldnt beat jones in 94 and he couldnt beat jones ever. jones wasn't over extending and every punch was very quick and very short. there was nothing for toney to counter. toney got hung out on the end of those short and quick punches trying to work that upper body movement to sucker jones in and jones never got suckered in.

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people like to say that roy jones was all athletic ability and the things roy was doing was because of that athletic ability and not from smarts. but toney could never beat jones. toney was real smart but jones was the smarter fighter. i don't know why that is that guys like ali and jones are never given credit for their smarts.
 

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They can fight now since, Roy is definitely willing travel to Europe his last 3 out of 5 fights recently been over there. But on the real you can't really fault Jones at the time for not going he got robbed of his Gold Medal and felt he wouldn't get a fair shake even as a pro. At the time he was the top man and Dariusz came to the States to see the Virgil Hill fight but never wanted to come back again to set up the fight.
Naw the Hill fight was in Germany. The IBF and WBA titles were stripped because of boxing politics which is how Roy picked them up. Technically Dariusz was the Light Heavyweight champion when he beat Hill.

Boxers get robbed all over no matter where they are from so that isnt a good excuse, imo. I hate how American fighters hate to travel when they get a title.
 

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the way that toney fights, the way a lot of guys like toney fight, guys like archie moore and guys like max schmeling, the upper body movement that is used makes a fighter have to over extend punches and when they get that upper body moving what they are doing is they are pulling in punches to counter. very pretty style.

when you can make a fighter have to over extend punches to hit you that makes it easy to counter because the punches are right there to for you to counter and he is falling right onto every counter you are throwing. thats why toney could never beat jones. he couldnt beat jones in 94 and he couldnt beat jones ever. jones wasn't over extending and every punch was very quick and very short. there was nothing for toney to counter. toney got hung out on the end of those short and quick punches trying to work that upper body movement to sucker jones in and jones never got suckered in.

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people like to say that roy jones was all athletic ability and the things roy was doing was because of that athletic ability and not from smarts. but toney could never beat jones. toney was real smart but jones was the smarter fighter. i don't know why that is that guys like ali and jones are never given credit for their smarts.

Yuzo with you being one of the most respected with your boxing IQ Knowledge how to do you feel about this video I posted with Jones Southpaw tactics?

 

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Naw the Hill fight was in Germany. The IBF and WBA titles were stripped because of boxing politics which is how Roy picked them up. Technically Dariusz was the Light Heavyweight champion when he beat Hill.

Boxers get robbed all over no matter where they are from so that isnt a good excuse, imo. I hate how American fighters hate to travel when they get a title.

That's true but Roy was considered the top LHW at the time had the backing of a major network that was trying to make the fight happen at one point. They couldn't get the fight done so Roy went on to pretty much clean out the division except fighting DM. Some of the guys that Roy beat easily, DM went life and death with like Julio Gonzalez and Richard Hall. So at the end of the day they both were at fault for the fight not happening at the time it meant something.
 

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That's true but Roy was considered the top LHW at the time had the backing of a major network that was trying to make the fight happen at one point. They couldn't get the fight done so Roy went on to pretty much clean out the division except fighting DM. Some of the guys that Roy beat easily, DM went life and death with like Julio Gonzalez and Richard Hall. So at the end of the day they both were at fault for the fight not happening at the time it meant something.
DM fought Richard Hall after Jones and stopped him twice in fights he was winning.

Dariusz was already passing his prime with Julio and ironically was robbed in Germany.
Styles makes fights I can see Dariusz being a tough fight for Roy if DM can cope with the speed.
If titles weren't getting stripped left and right in that division Dariusz would've been WBC WBA IBF WBO champion

I don't remember Roy or HBO even mentioning Dariusz back then.
I wouldn't be surprised if more money could've been made in Germany since he was blazing hot there and they knew Jones was the blazing hot American superstar here. Compared to Americans never seeing Dariusz fight and never hearing about him since HBO acted like he didnt existed.

I think Jones wouldve won but I do feel he was more about the belts than the opponent
 
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i think this guy and the leewylie guy really overthink and i dont know if they really know what theyre talking about. i know the way they analyze the fights its in a way that sounds like they do. he says jones is throwing a counter overhand left hook. thats a check hook over a right jab. thats a punch you see a lot in boxing.
 

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Naw the Hill fight was in Germany. The IBF and WBA titles were stripped because of boxing politics which is how Roy picked them up. Technically Dariusz was the Light Heavyweight champion when he beat Hill.

Boxers get robbed all over no matter where they are from so that isnt a good excuse, imo. I hate how American fighters hate to travel when they get a title.

this..ive said it before roy had all those belts but he wasnt the man in that division.Dariusz was with that WBO title
 

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Naw the Hill fight was in Germany. The IBF and WBA titles were stripped because of boxing politics which is how Roy picked them up. Technically Dariusz was the Light Heavyweight champion when he beat Hill.

Boxers get robbed all over no matter where they are from so that isnt a good excuse, imo. I hate how American fighters hate to travel when they get a title.

this..ive said it before roy had all those belts but he wasnt the man in that division.Dariusz was with that WBO title

What I am saying is DM came to the USA to see Jones vs Hill fight, the fight where he stopped him with the body shot. Jones argument is he came to the states to see that fight but he didn't wanna come back for the actual fight.
 
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