some facts about Guns and ideas about guns in america

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Everything in bold is explained in good detail in this article 5 Mind-Blowing Facts Nobody Told You About Guns | Cracked.com

Gun Owners Are Mostly Responsible, But Gun Companies' Ad Campaigns Are fukking Insane

The world is no doubt full of level-headed gun owners who are all about safety and responsible ownership (Note: one of the authors of this article owns four guns, one of which he keeps up his sleeve in a spring-loaded apparatus). They scoff at ridiculous macho action movie fantasies, and they have never stuck a gun through the open fly of their pants and said, "Hey look, it's my gun dikk." But gun manufacturers do not themselves appear to share their view.

The Standard Explanations for Mass Shootings Are All Wrong

Two-Thirds of Gun Victims Live in the Same Body as the Murderer

America Is Obsessed With the Idea of Guns, But Not the Reality

Add All of This Up, and Gun Crime Is ... Down
So the culmination of the rash of mass shootings, the relentless promotion of guns, the spike in gun sales, the proliferation of violent video games, and the creepy worship and fetishizing of firearms is ... fewer gun murders.

What about the people who actually buy guns? Statistics tell us that fewer people are buying guns, but those people are buying more of them. To the grad students on the anti-gun side of the debate, this looks like a bunch of crazy rednecks, stocking their militia for the coming war on Obamacare. Why else would the NRA be fighting to get states to legalize silencers if they don't want to shoot people and keep it a secret?

So the rural gun owner in Wyoming buys the biggest, sexiest assault rifle he can find and tricks it out with all the accessories from the catalog, but he never actually uses it because nobody is going to break into his house because he lives in fukking Wyoming. If he wants to murder his wife, he'll get the revolver from the nightstand -- he's not going to go dig out and assemble his huge assault rifle. So why did he buy it? For the same reason his daughter will buy a dinette set for her Barbie Dream House even though she will never get to eat actual food at that table: for the fantasy.

Maybe this explains how hospitalization for gun injuries can be up even though the three types of gun-related crimes that cause such injuries (murder, robbery, assault) are all way down. Those ads that treat guns like toys for grown-ups worked, and people are treating guns like toys, instead of deadly weapons.

And maybe this new breed of mass shooters are just those rare people -- 1 in a million, or 1 in 10 million -- who don't realize it's all just porn and toys, that it's not supposed to be anything but a shared fantasy. Is it possible that all of the power fantasies and tough talk and murder simulators that pacify the rest of us have a different effect on these guys? And that the occasional horrific mass shooting is just the price we have to pay for a system that does a damn good job of keeping the rest of us on the sofa?

We'll probably be able to have a really good discussion about it as soon as everyone stops seeing it as a political issue, or accusing everyone who brings it up of having an agenda. So, by the year 3113 or so.

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A Guide to Mass Shootings in America
A Guide to Mass Shootings in America | Mother Jones

 

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The U.S. has had one mass shooting per month since 2009
Study: The U.S. has had one mass shooting per month since 2009
Yet mass shootings are still a tiny portion of overall gun deaths.
Assault weapons are used in a minority of mass shootings. Few mental-health red flags came up before most of the shootings. Domestic violence played a role in 40 percent of mass shootings. At least 11 of the shooters were prohibited from owning guns.

— This week, the Department of Homeland Security released its own study looking at the profile of mass shooters since 1999. One key takeaway? They tended to be young males acting alone using handguns. And very few were ex-military.

 

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Doesn't matter really. All of the idiots here are too brainwashed by CNN and mainstream media. Their standard, preprogrammed response to anything gun related: "Ban da gunz! Ban dem all! Dey evil Obama sed so!!"

 

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Assault Weapons - United States Senator Dianne Feinstein

 

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What’s in Obama’s Gun Control Proposal

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/16/us/obama-gun-control-proposal.html

 

[USSInsiders]

Doesn't matter really. All of the idiots here are too brainwashed by CNN and mainstream media. Their standard, preprogrammed response to anything gun related: "Ban da gunz! Ban dem all! Dey evil Obama sed so!!"

:stylesp: If it isn't on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, CBS or ABC, then it can't be factual information. It's against the law to put false information in the press. The press CANNOT legally publish something that isn't true.

The people telling them this information have no reason to lie anyway.

 

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What’s in Obama’s Gun Control Proposal

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/16/us/obama-gun-control-proposal.html

Serious question for anyone against this proposal what is wrong with it cause I don't see anything that bad?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Doesn't matter really. All of the idiots here are too brainwashed by CNN and mainstream media. Their standard, preprogrammed response to anything gun related: "Ban da gunz! Ban dem all! Dey evil Obama sed so!!"

it's funny you gun nuts always say stuff like this, but I've NEVER heard this argument made.

 

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Serious question for anyone against this proposal what is wrong with it cause I don't see anything that bad?

Reinstating and strengthening the ban on assault weapons that was in place from 1994 to 2004.
Limiting ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.


Those aren't horrible things, but legislation is usually a slippery slope.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Reinstating and strengthening the ban on assault weapons that was in place from 1994 to 2004.
Limiting ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.


Those aren't horrible things, but legislation is usually a slippery slope.

No it's not. Especially when it come to this issue, seeing how the ban was in place before yet there was no "slippery slope" whatsoever.

 

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No it's not. Especially when it come to this issue, seeing how the ban was in place before yet there was no "slippery slope" whatsoever.

Senators have had to 'dial back' there stance and comprise to even get to that those proposals I posted. There are extremist on both sides, and the fear is that with the current climates and misconceptions and people not actually looking at real stats - the political landscape will lean more towards the Ban side. I actually was shocked that the one bill failed last week.

NTM, an assault weapon ban is very intrusive and wrong. So are clip limitations. Besides clip limitations don't even make sense because people can reload over and over in under 2 seconds - especially when no one else in the building has a weapon. Also, it's dumb because we live in America-- full clips are already Everywhere... you can't get rid of them - so only people who follow the rules will have limited clips.

 

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Senators have had to 'dial back' there stance and comprise to even get to that those proposals I posted. There are extremist on both sides, and the fear is that with the current climates and misconceptions and people not actually looking at real stats - the political landscape will lean more towards the Ban side. I actually was shocked that the one bill failed last week.

NTM, an assault weapon ban is very intrusive and wrong. So are clip limitations. Besides clip limitations don't even make since because people can reload over and over in under 2 seconds - especially when no one else in the building has a weapon. Also, is dumb because we live in America-- full clip are already Everywhere... you can't get rid of them - so only people who follow the rules will have limited clips.

First off those were seperate parts of the bill. The assult weapon/clip size ban could have been denied, while the rest was passed.

Second the "assult weapons" ban is not intrusive in my opinion. You say clip limitations don't make sense. Well I say huge clip sizes don't makes sense, unless you plan on killing a bunch of people. Same with ASSULT weapons. They were created for military use, it doesn't make sense that citizens have them.

And to your "criminals don't follow rules" argument. Why do we have any laws? Criminals don't follow them anyway. We should just throw out all the laws and the good people will be good

 

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Same with ASSULT weapons.

The term "assault weapon" needs to be examined. You can take a perfectly basic shotgun, add a handle to it or add a folding stock onto a rifle and according to some people, you suddenly have "an evil assault weapon." While the large capacity magazine or other feature such as muzzle breaks or flash suppressor are the big traits, some other features on assault weapons such as having a fixed clip that holds more than 10 rounds is ridiculous. Forget the huge drums that hold dozens of rounds, we are talking just 10 rounds being the max in the proposed 2013 Assault Weapon ban. 10 rounds is not a particularly huge clip. This concept has become political over time (even if the intentions were originally good).

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The term "assault weapon" needs to be examined. You can take a perfectly basic shotgun, add a handle to it or add a folding stock onto a rifle and according to some people, you suddenly have "an evil assault weapon." While the large capacity magazine or other feature such as muzzle breaks or flash suppressor are the big traits, some other features on assault weapons such as having a fixed clip that holds more than 10 rounds is ridiculous. Forget the huge drums that hold dozens of rounds, we are talking just 10 rounds being the max in the proposed 2013 Assault Weapon ban. 10 rounds is not a particularly huge clip. This concept has become political over time (even if the intentions were originally good).

Those modifications were made with the sole purpose of aiding the users in an "assult" situation.

Do they automaticaly make the gun more deadly? No. but they do make the gun user more efficient and dangerous.

Why would a law abiding citizen need a clip with more that 10 bullets?