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What are the benefits you think you’ll get from not voting? And I ask that as harmlessly as possible.Well, what are Dems doing about the GOP right now?
Also, if Dems hold power but don't do much of anything with it. Why should I continue to vote?
That ain't my fault. I'm only 22. Older Democratic leadership and voters caused this to happen with their complacency and lack of urgency - until it's too late.
I wasn't alive when the 1994 Republican revolution happened. I was too young to vote in the 2010 & 2014 midterms. I was a year too young to vote in the 2016 presidential election.
Is their job to combat the GOP or push forward their legislation? I think they are doing the latter pretty well thus far. They are on offense.
If you don't want to vote, that's fine. Many people made the same flawed calculation in 2016. Don't know about you, but I didn't particularly like Trump. Regardless, if you don't vote, you've forfeited your ability to have any voice or opinion on the national political discourse IMO. You don't have the right to complain about anything after that.
What benefits does voting do for me? Especially on a federal level.
I might just vote on a local/statewide level and leave federal elections blank. But even then, what's the point?
I guess so. But what difference does it make? I voted in 2018 & 2020 and I'm feeling voiceless right nowIs their job to combat the GOP or push forward their legislation? I think they are doing the latter pretty well thus far. They are on offense.
If you don't want to vote, that's fine. Many people made the same flawed calculation in 2016. Don't know about you, but I didn't particularly like Trump. Regardless, if you don't vote, you've forfeited your ability to have any voice or opinion on the national political discourse IMO. You don't have the right to complain about anything after that.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
repped you not related to this convo per se, but you as a poster in general. you come across as more mature than 22, even when i've seen posters come at you crazy in other forums...most the 22 years olds on here are TLR malcontentsWell, what are Dems doing about the GOP right now?
Also, if Dems hold power but don't do much of anything with it. Why should I continue to vote?
That ain't my fault. I'm only 22. Older Democratic leadership and voters caused this to happen with their complacency and lack of urgency - until it's too late.
I wasn't alive when the 1994 Republican revolution happened. I was too young to vote in the 2010 & 2014 midterms. I was a year too young to vote in the 2016 presidential election.
AquaCityBoy
Veteran
.What benefits does voting do for me? Especially on a federal level.
I might just vote on a local/statewide level and leave federal elections blank. But even then, what's the point?
I guess so. But what difference does it make? I voted in 2018 & 2020 and I'm feeling voiceless right now
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THREAD: it’s time for the media to admit Bernie cost Hillary the election.
“Medicare-for-all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us,” shouted Dr. Paul Song, speaking at a rally for 2016 Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders.
As a member of the Hillary For America digital team, this vitriol coming from a male Sanders supporter was unsurprising. In fact, Sanders had so demonized Clinton and “establishment” Democrats that by the 2016 general election, an estimated 12% of his supporters voted for Trump.
5 years later, it’s clear the Sanders movement was just a moment – and one that arguably sent American democracy into its current decline.
Sanders’s organization ‘Our Revolution’ has recently announced that it will be pivoting. Instead of championing their founder’s implausible ‘Medicare for All” plan, the group will focus on Medicare expansion – a plan Sanders-progressives have lambasted for years.
High-profile Sanders supporter David Klion, for example, tweeted “…you have to support Medicare For All or else you’re a bad person.” Sanders’s signature health policy is not the only issue his legacy group is doing away with.
The group will also deprioritize issues like the Green New Deal, a favorite among Democratic Socialists, to instead focus on “modest alternatives endorsed by President Biden.”
To a so-called “moderate” these concessions are more enraging than vindicating as we watch our democracy teeter on the brink after 4 years of the Trump administration.
But for Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton would have become the first female president of the United States – and none of this would have happened. Instead we got the first president to be impeached twice.
The Sanders campaign created a narrative that anyone who put forth a real solution was not thinking big enough. This strategy was so effective that Hillary Clinton had to defend her progressive bona-fides, identifying as a “progressive who likes to get things done” in one debate.
It appears the fading Bernie movement admits the message is appealing as, 5 years later, they seek to rebrand as “pragmatic progressives.”
Maybe the lady who helped win health coverage for more than 8 million children knew more than the guy who got 3 bills passed in over 30 years after all. (2 of those bills were to rename post offices.)
Post-2016 debriefs centered around the notion that Hillary Clinton, who won the popular vote by 3 million, was an inherently flawed candidate. “Bernie would’ve won” was a constant refrain from the Sanders-left.
Sanders lost the Democratic Primary yet again in 2020, suggesting that analysis was dubious at best.
Perhaps now that ‘Our Revolution’ has waved the white flag – conceding the futility of pursuing Sanders’s agenda – the pundit class will finally admit that Hillary would’ve won…if not for Sanders.
In 2016, Sanders sought to hijack the Democratic platform for policies his own group has now abandoned. He refused to concede to Clinton even after his nomination became a mathematical impossibility.
Sanders claims he did all he could to support Clinton in the general election, but in reality he was preparing for his Our Revolution book tour.
Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden were similarly positioned candidates, committed Democrats with a lifetime of public service across various government roles; though Biden won and Hillary lost.
One explanation for the different outcome is that Sanders did not stand in Biden’s way, conceding almost immediately and quickly collaborating with Biden’s campaign team.
Mainstream press has largely let Sanders off-the-hook for his role helping Trump win the presidency. While we cannot turn back the clock, we can learn from history. Bernie Sanders sold his supporters false promises.
He used those false promises to undermine decades of progressive policy development and label accomplished change-makers as fake progressives. Then, after losing, he refused to heal the intra-party divisions he sowed.
And as a result, Americans elected a man who would come to incite a domestic terrorist attack on the U.S. Capitol by less than 100,000 votes.
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Ever since I was a kid, people have told me that I act older than my age lol. I guess it's just my personality - I'm generally a more quiet and reserved guy. I definitely "open up" more though when I'm friends/close with someone.
Also, I avoid TLR as much I can lol. TLR is too crazy for me. I mostly just post in HL, The Coliseum and JBO
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Is their job to combat the GOP or push forward their legislation? I think they are doing the latter pretty well thus far. They are on offense.
If you don't want to vote, that's fine. Many people made the same flawed calculation in 2016. Don't know about you, but I didn't particularly like Trump. Regardless, if you don't vote, you've forfeited your ability to have any voice or opinion on the national political discourse IMO. You don't have the right to complain about anything after that.
The fact that you asked this question is why we're fukked
Yes, their job is to combat the GOP
Because the GOP is fighting them, whether they fight back or not
I don't think so. You had posters and pundits complaining on here that under Trump, the Democrats spent too much time focused on the GOP and not enough time trying to forward their agenda. I think they are doing the opposite right now with a nod to the 1/6 commission in the oversight role. As a political party its usually one or the other and not both at the same time in my opinion. Rarely does either side do both. The battle is asymmetric.The fact that you asked this question is why we're fukked
Yes, their job is to combat the GOP
Because the GOP is fighting them, whether they fight back or not
GOP achieved this all through incrementalism 
Like I said, sometimes the difference is less bad vs very bad. That's up for you to decide which one you're good with.I guess so. But what difference does it make? I voted in 2018 & 2020 and I'm feeling voiceless right now
I don't like the alternate reality where Democrats lose in both 2018 and 2020, do you?
